Where does the Horde symbol come from?

[WhiteEagle888]

Is this canon?



According to this chart the Horde symbol means "tribe". Are there any other explanations? I heard scorpion Claw since the Horde guild mount is a Scorpion. Any clear statement from Blizz you know of?

[Gamer8585]

No clue about the status of that list, however assuming the list is canon "Horde" may be its own symbol derived from "Tribe." "Tribe" is closed and has that other bit under it. The "Horde" symbol is open at the bottom without the extra symbol.

My guess is that the "Tribe" symbol is made up of two parts as an Us/Them paring. The Horde symbol is just the first half, but opened to show that all are welcome and there is no "other."

[Deleted]

ever looked at the map of azeroth ?
its right there, in the Orc starting zone.

[WhiteEagle888]

No clue about the status of that list, however assuming the list is canon "Horde" may be its own symbol derived from "Tribe." "Tribe" is closed and has that other bit under it. The "Horde" symbol is open at the bottom without the extra symbol.

My guess is that the "Tribe" symbol is made up of two parts as an Us/Them paring. The Horde symbol is just the first half, but opened to show that all are welcome and there is no "other."

Nice explanation, I like it especially denoting the opening at the bottom.

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ever looked at the map of azeroth ?
its right there, in the Orc starting zone.

take a good look again: what you are referring to is not the orc starting zone but Azshara, and it was terraformed specifically by the goblins because this symbol already existed.
On the other hand I'm asking where the symbol came from in the first place. I guess you started in cataclysm?

[Raetary]

the list is from the warcraft movie, it has nothing to do with the actual lore.

ever looked at the map of azeroth ?
its right there, in the Orc starting zone.

what about it?

durotar has nothing resembling it, and if you are talking about azshara, the goblins formed that during cata times for garrosh.

[WhiteEagle888]

the list is from the warcraft movie, it has nothing to do with the actual lore.

Unless Blizz officially incorporates it, which I asked if there was any confirmation about.

[Azarak]

Just throwing it out there, the symbol could just be entirely made up lol

[Deleted]

the list is from the warcraft movie, it has nothing to do with the actual lore.
what about it?
durotar has nothing resembling it, and if you are talking about azshara, the goblins formed that during cata times for garrosh.

oh wow, didn't realize goblins changed it, kind of assumed it had always been that shape >.< and I am a vanilla player too /derp

[Evangeliste]

Those are from the movie and have been indicated to have no connection to the game side.

As for the icons of Horde and Alliance, you might want to check out when it was an RTS. The imagery of icons you've posted are newer than the RTS, which the RTS set the standard really for the franchise.

Even then it's hard to say with Chronicles in the fray and busting up old lore.

[WhiteEagle888]

Those are from the movie and have been indicated to have no connection to the game side.

As for the icons of Horde and Alliance, you might want to check out when it was an RTS. The imagery of icons you've posted are newer than the RTS, which the RTS set the standard really for the franchise.

Even then it's hard to say with Chronicles in the fray and busting up old lore.

Thanks! I'll check those out immediately

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oh wow, didn't realize goblins changed it, kind of assumed it had always been that shape >.< and I am a vanilla player too /derp

So you played during vanilla but never been to Azshara? - man, I wish there was some way of experiencing the old zones again. I would love to revisit old thousand Needles. :S

[lordjust]

No clue about the status of that list, however assuming the list is canon "Horde" may be its own symbol derived from "Tribe." "Tribe" is closed and has that other bit under it. The "Horde" symbol is open at the bottom without the extra symbol.

My guess is that the "Tribe" symbol is made up of two parts as an Us/Them paring. The Horde symbol is just the first half, but opened to show that all are welcome and there is no "other."

The smaller bit under the symbol is supposed to be the simplified version of the big symbol, similar to e.g. chinese. As for the horde symbol itself. It was used first in Warcraft 3. In Warcraft 1 and 2 there were only the indivual clan symbols. I don't think Blizzard thought about the origin of the symbol back in WC3 and just created a symbol that looks tribal.

[WhiteEagle888]

The smaller bit under the symbol is supposed to be the simplified version of the big symbol, similar to e.g. chinese. As for the horde symbol itself. It was used first in Warcraft 3. In Warcraft 1 and 2 there were only the indivual clan symbols. I don't think Blizzard thought about the origin of the symbol back in WC3 and just created a symbol that looks tribal.

yeah I remember first seeing it on the Warcraft 3 orc shield too.

[Deleted]

Thanks! I'll check those out immediately

So you played during vanilla but never been to Azshara? - man, I wish there was some way of experiencing the old zones again. I would love to revisit old thousand Needles. :S

Oh I was there, I just don't remember the map being any different to what it is now, to what it was waaaay back then.

[Aucald]

Classic Azshara wasn't super different from the new state in Cata. It looked a bit more like a crab claw (at least to me):



The creation of the diamond-shaped island at the center bay of Azshara is really all that was needed, with the change in water over the outstretched peninsulas creating the outside portion of the symbol.

[Aquamonkey]

As for the horde symbol itself. It was used first in Warcraft 3. In Warcraft 1 and 2 there were only the indivual clan symbols.

yeah I remember first seeing it on the Warcraft 3 orc shield too.

The Horde symbol was first used in WC2.

[My User Name]

Here's a theory.

Kosh'harg is a festival where twice a year the orcish clans unite and celebrate.

And where does the festival take place? That's right. Oshu'gun.

And what is under Oshu'gun? A Naaru.

Plot twist:
The Horde Sigil is inspired from K'ure.

It symbolizes the unity of all orcish clans.

[alzoron]

A bigger mystery is where does Stormwind's symbol come from. There are no lions in Azeroth.

[Deleted]

A bigger mystery is where does Stormwind's symbol come from. There are no lions in Azeroth.

There is one in Twilight Highlands.
Maybe they became very rare in the Eastern Kingdoms due to hunting, like the actual European lion did.

[Aquamonkey]

Lothar is the lion of Azeroth.

[Gamer8585]

The smaller bit under the symbol is supposed to be the simplified version of the big symbol, similar to e.g. chinese. As for the horde symbol itself. It was used first in Warcraft 3. In Warcraft 1 and 2 there were only the indivual clan symbols. I don't think Blizzard thought about the origin of the symbol back in WC3 and just created a symbol that looks tribal.

I thought it was part of the symbol like an accent mark or umlaut. I didn't even think about a "simplified" version, or even potentially different letter-cases.

Makes sense though with how many look like a simple version of the larger character.