Recent Actions Against ToU Violations, Blue Posts, HotS - Garrosh Patch, StarCrafts

[Sarugaul]

Just to make it clear for the few that think Blizzard offers recompense when someone scams gold from you in game..

They do not.

They will not give you your gold back, even if they take it from the other player. The other player will barely be punished - I saw the scammer advertising often in trade even after I went through a couple of tickets trying to rectify the situation and recover the scammed gold.

The truth is, if you can negotiate a RMT and it goes wrong you are far more likely to recover your cash, at least you will have a chance to.

With Blizzard their policy is 100% the victim loses if someone is dishonest in their dealings with you when it comes to Gold for runs.

[Deleted]

"As a reminder, in order to ensure fair play and competitive integrity [...]"
Its only fair play and competitive integrity as long as blizzard gets the money. Buying gold(where blizzard gets the money) and paying a guild (And they convert it to tokens)
is nearly the same as giving the money directly, except that blizzard doesnt get a share. Soo... yes... sure... "fair play and competitive integrity"
In other words, blizzards says: "Do the fuck you want, but we want your money."

No its not the same silly. One way you can take the cash and pay rent with it and the other way you can only take that money and buy Blizzard stuff.

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So when is blizzard permabanning Method?

they dont cause method doesnt sell carries for cash lil'Limit fanboi

[Dastreus]

Now maybe I will play Heroes of the Storm. So I can kill that piece of shit orc some more.

[kemper451]

Just to make it clear for the few that think Blizzard offers recompense when someone scams gold from you in game..

They do not.

They will not give you your gold back, even if they take it from the other player. The other player will barely be punished - I saw the scammer advertising often in trade even after I went through a couple of tickets trying to rectify the situation and recover the scammed gold.

The truth is, if you can negotiate a RMT and it goes wrong you are far more likely to recover your cash, at least you will have a chance to.

With Blizzard their policy is 100% the victim loses if someone is dishonest in their dealings with you when it comes to Gold for runs.

Unfortunately, I agree. I remember I did a 120K gold purchase for the Kara mount run that went south since I didn't know that they were already saved and I only had a 20% chance of actually seeing the mount. Contacted user in game and he basically told me that I shouldn't cry about gold and that I should get addons and play the AH to get more gold and that a 100% chance was now 300K. Contacted Blizz and this was their official response:

""I do apologize for the money that was lost. "Paid Runs" are unsupported by Blizzard which is why there isn't protection within the game. These agreements were player-to-player and Blizzard had nothing to do with it. Since these are Unsupported, we are unable to give you back the gold...But! I can look into this and possibly take the Gold away from the person you gave it too. I will not be able to give you details about the Actions that may be taken and you shouldn't expect a followup. I bid you a good day. ""

At least if I used my credit card, I could actually open a legit complaint for services not rendered and I would have gotten my money back.

Blizz wants us to give them them our cash, buy the gold, then use that gold to buy runs but won't do anything to protect from scammers.

[Super Kami Dende]

Blizz wants us to give them them our cash, buy the gold, then use that gold to buy runs but won't do anything to protect from scammers.

Fucking lol. It isn't Blizzards job to protect the Gold of people that get scammed. Since getting scammed generally is the fault of the person who got scammed.

[Deleted]

While I'm sure Blizz wanting the gold purchase to go through them is an aspect of this, at the end of the day, it's more about control over the problems that external RMTs cause.

Example A: A guild advertises 100 dollars for a run through to guldan and the mount. Guy signs up, gives them 100 bucks, they kick him from the group and do nothing for him. He complains in trade chat, opens a ticket to blizz because he just got scammed (and scamming is technically against the rules of the game) and blizzard can do nothing about it except 'too bad so sad' because they were external to the actual money process. Can they ban the scammer? Sure. But can they help the guy? Nope.

Example B: A guild advertises 1 million gold for a run to guldan and the mount. Guy signs up, buys some gold from Blizz, gives it to the guild, and they kick him from the group and do nothing for him. Guy complains in trade, opens a ticket to blizzard because he just got scammed. But this time, blizzard can track the gold because it all took place within their servers. They can see the gold purchase, where it changed hands, when the guy got kicked from the group.

IE: In example 2, blizzard can actually help the person that got fucked. In example one, they're as helpless as he is.

Talk all you want about blizzard wanting a cut, but example B is better for everyone except the guy trying to make money off raiding.

There is always a risk, when you pay someone you don't know. Thats life for you. This also discourages people to do so.
Its a fucking game. When you buy ingame stuff with money, because you can't or don't want to play the game, you are an asshole. Easy as that.
People nowadays are pathetic.

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No its not the same silly. One way you can take the cash and pay rent with it and the other way you can only take that money and buy Blizzard stuff.

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they dont cause method doesnt sell carries for cash lil'Limit fanboi

Thats exactly what i wrote... but ok...

[Unholyground]

Yeah no it won't. There are games that have proven they can survive on less than a million subs.

Also if it's getting boring each expansion then that is on you. Try taking a break or playing a different game.

The tokens were the first step towards no monthly fee, it will see the fee go soon as they have enough stuff on the store.

[Deleted]

How does this action ensure "fair play and competitive integrity" when you CAN sell "assistance with obtaining items, achievements, PvP rating, or other in-game benefits" for in game gold? The only difference is it encourages sad acts to buy gold where guess what - Blizzard do get their cut of the action.

As far as they are concerned, game integrity means nothing as long as they get more ca$h.

[Clbull]

In regards to the EU forums being ignored, I can accept that there's room for improvement but at the same time I think we have also come a long way over the past year or so.

The Warcraft team has historically treated Europeans as second class netizens when it comes to forum interaction. Compare the NA forums where you saw Blizzard devs regularly respond to threads and player feedback with the EU forums where there is often not a Blue post in sight.

There is a really clear argument for either unifying the NA and EU forums, or implementing global play and allowing people to play WoW on different regions using the same game licence like with Diablo III, StarCraft II, Overwatch, Heroes of the Storm, etc.

[VeraeliaBlack]

Yeah we know, everyone who suffers a ban is always innocent. The system is not automated or, at least, it is not automated based on the manual report system.

Your mates lied to you. Nobody will ever admit they cheated, because pride y'know.

Not to mention that if they fill out a ticket/dispute the ban and tell them to check the logs that the trade-off/buy/whatever it was, was for gold, that it'll get reverted. My GM got hit with the mass-ban for people who were paying RL money for PvP carries for the artifact appearance post-challenge mode, and then they went back and saw that it was blanket banning people who had paid gold, not RL money, and reverted it.

If it's a legit mistake, Blizz will either catch it themselves, or they'll check it out for you. They're a business, banning people doesn't make them any money. But still those people who screw up and then want to cry foul, too...

[Deleted]

No its not the same silly. One way you can take the cash and pay rent with it and the other way you can only take that money and buy Blizzard stuff.

he is not being silly, this action is nothing about "to ensure fair play and competitive integrity [...]" it is to ensure Blizzards future profits. Game integrity is just an excuse they are using.

[Gadzooks]

The Warcraft team has historically treated Europeans as second class netizens when it comes to forum interaction. Compare the NA forums where you saw Blizzard devs regularly respond to threads and player feedback with the EU forums where there is often not a Blue post in sight.

There is a really clear argument for either unifying the NA and EU forums, or implementing global play and allowing people to play WoW on different regions using the same game licence like with Diablo III, StarCraft II, Overwatch, Heroes of the Storm, etc.

There's been vague references that the CM team fucked up big time, and that they've been fixing that problem over the last year or so - I dimly remember some talk about it when Legion started. They won't come out and admit it, but the EU forums were abandoned. Why? Who knows. Maybe it's a turf thing - the EU crew has bad management, and they had to make changes. But the bandaids they're offering now are a joke - and the excuses worse - "The EU CMs are in bed when the US CMs are at work." Seriously. That's just bullshit. Many, many, many companies run forums in different time zones with no problems.

I'm not going to be a doom caller and say Blizzard is dying, but over the last couple of years, they're showing signs of middle management rot and dysfunctional teams. That they admitted that Titan died because of it says a LOT about the internal politics/culture - and that there's still lack of communication between teams being admitted to, with the EU forums, and the raid devs.

A long time ago, I worked for a company that had an almost cult like culture, they instilled it in all employees through training, and those who fought it were quietly let go or given so much shit, they quit. I fell for it, and while I worked there, I thought it was the best job in the world, and was in complete denial about how bad it was there. I'm getting the same vibe about Blizzard.

[Clbull]

Middle management rot or management shifts which oddly seem to coincide with the merger of Activision and Vivendi which formed Activision Blizzard. Since that merger and despite Blizzard's insistence that they're still the same company, their company ethos has changed drastically and we've seen more microtransactions, more aggressive intellectual property enforcement, more detrimental design choices, and more business decisions which negatively affect the customer experience.