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    Quote Originally Posted by Elba View Post
    Were those the only attendants?
    I was in Boston today, honestly the people at the rally were almost non existent, but they were a group of multi racial college students from schools in the city. The "counter protest" was mostly peaceful, the antifa scum showed up and bullying people on the common, throw a bunch of stuff including urine. A lot of nasty words to the people walking off the common, being escorted by police who were protecting them from people throwing shit at them. The big problem was when police got the people off the common and people started attacking the police, i was expecting a riot but the police quelled it

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    Probably 50 people in total

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince Oberyn Martell View Post
    Just because they call it that doesn't make it one.

    Call it what it is: "A Racist Rally"
    Racism can't stop Antifa

    Most people would rather die than think, and most people do. -Bertrand Russell
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garnier Fructis View Post
    'Standing up for what you believe in' is like every other principle in existence: it doesn't extend very far until it starts contradicting some other principle.

    Standing up for what you believe in is important, but so are compromise and pragmatism. Approximately nothing gets done if everyone thinks that getting anything less than 100% of what they want constitutes bloody murder.

    Placing ideology on the highest pedestal you can find is what lead to the bizarre twist in logic that was BernieBros, for example: the idea that you are standing up for your principles by supporting those who least embody your principles on the hope that the whole system will bern down, and from the ashes America will be reborn as some utopia or some shit. It's like bad fanfiction.
    Friend. I'm not exactly sure where Skroe's "With us or against us" fits into the pragmatism scale. In fact, that's part of how we got here. Or does his line about "People like you" remind you of tossing a lot of people that might have bought into the pragmatism on the word "deplorable"?

    Wait, I forgot. Calling black people welfare queens earned Republicans the majority of the black vote. Silly me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince Oberyn Martell View Post
    Just because they call it that doesn't make it one.

    Call it what it is: "A Racist Rally"
    With Black, Indian, and Jewish people speaking at said rally?

    You must be retarded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince Oberyn Martell View Post
    Those were the counter-protesters who took the stage after the 'confederate' and 'don't tread on me' protesters had left.

    Don't drink the fake news kool-aid.
    Yep retarded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saucexorzski View Post
    I like Skroe to be honest. He sees threats and chooses to engage them. That is a great asset to have. I dont share his views that trump is literally Hitler and those that voted for him are all Nazis. It is interesting though how he has formed this strange alliance with the folks he used to argue with, but once trump is gone i have a feeling that the unity Trump brought them will end.
    Trump is not Hitler. Trump is a defilement of this country through.

    The thing about Trump is there are aspects of his policy I don't exactly disagree on. Confrontation with China, especially over Trade? Redressing some of Obama's foreign policy weaknesses? Building up the military? Reforming the tax code? Rolling back entitlements? That's stuff I'm down for. I argued for that stuff years BEFORE Trump even showed up.

    But here's the thing: I'm not so desperate to win on ANY of those issues to compromise some really fucking fundamental tenants of what is acceptable and what is not. If one cannot win the Presidency or a policy fight fairly, with honor and and upholding the HIGHEST standards of decency, than one has no business winning whatsoever. How you win matters.

    Trump ran a campaign that dog whistled racism from the start. Period.
    Trump's campaign, and possibly Trump himself colluded with the Russians, our mortal enemy.
    Trump said things during his campaign, like not committing recognizing the legitimacy of the outcome if he lost, that displayed his utter disregard for our democratic norms.

    The list goes on. Even if I agreed with everything Trump says, if I compromise my even more fundamental AMERICAN principles just to win... it makes me a bad person. A really bad person. It makes me a compromised people.

    Character matters. Morality matters. The President of the United States is not just the chief executive of the US, but also the leader of the free world and the MORAL leader of America's civil religion, so to speak. Donald Trump, from the first day of his campaign, has been a model in amorality. He is not an inspiring figure and he does not have positive aspirations for America. His nightmarish "American Carnage" speech, the worst inaugural speech in American history, reflected that.

    There are many, many Trump policies I find loathsome and deplorable, far more than I agree with. But the biggest issue is one of character, morality and how he won and how he governs.

    These little Trumpkins and their ridiculous rage against Antifa and leftist... they're like goddamn children with their little pointless grievances. The bigger picture is that winning power is never enough. How that power is won decides how legitimate the person who win is. And how that power is exercised for good or for ill, depends if that legitmacy continues to be held.

    I hold Donald Trump to be illegitimate, because of the conduct of his campaign and the conduct of his Presidency. He is not Hitler. He is a smear on America's legacy to the human race. He is an act of arson.

    The thing that the Trumpkins fail to understand is that my disagreements with the political left here and elsewhere are just natural disagreements that come in a country with a political spectrum. It's entirely normal, because sides don't operate under the delusion we'll get 100% of what we want. I want certain very conservative things for this country. I've enumerated them before. I don't expect to get half of them. Because I share this country with people who want things done a different way. How we work out the arrangement, the give and get, is how this tremendously diverse, beautiful experiment perpetuates itself.

    It is the Trumpkins... the Tea Partiers... the deplorables... who think they are somehow entitled to 100%. We saw that in the primary in 2012 and 2016. We see that in their conduct. We see that in Obamacare repeal attempts. That is so outside the American character. The founders of this country had to make compromises to get everybody under one roof that make our disagreements seem trivial. They found a way to do it. Liberals, Moderates and Conservatives - of which we can count the vast majority of the country - who engage in that form of competition-leading-to-cooperation honor the founders, because beyond our political wishes we all share the same fundamental American principles.

    These Trumpkins, these people in the thread here who excuse the Alt-Right? There is absolutely nothing American about them. So no, my alliance with the left here is not terribly strange at all. We're ALWAYS on the same side about things that matter the most - namely what kind of people are we. The fact we disagree on how to best spend our tax dollars and who should spend it, in the big scheme of things, is rather minor.

    I look forward to giving them hell over that, and recieving hell in return. That process makes America better, because nobody wins and nobody loses. By contrast, defending America against the Alt-Right must have a winner and must have a loser, because only one side, our side, is fighting for America's moral conscious. These Alt-Righters? Here and Around America, starting with Trump? They've utterly betrayed it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dextroden View Post
    Oh the brakes will slam on that. Without the veneer of opposing Trump, he's been tagged as a warhawk by said people.

    It's gonna be as funny as thinking blacks and gays bond over oppression.
    You know why that's not gonna be true? Because Russia's 2016 interference has made a blood enemy of the Democratic Party.

    You should be reading more Russia threads. It's filled by people a few years ago who disagreed with me that Russia was a threat saying "Russia is a threat".

    But beyond that, their resistance, my counter argument, sharped and improved both our positions. Nationally, embarking on a new generational campaign against the Russians is something that shouldn't have been launched over night in the first place. My side may have been ahead of the curve, and on other issues may still be, but what matters in the end is the shape of the formed consensus. Again, i don't expect to always win. My side *shouldn't* always win.

    Consensus forming builds legitimacy. We're in mid August. The only consensus your President seems to have formed is that he's staggeringly unqualified and incapable at his job, and has vacated any moral authority he had.

    And more to the point, as I explained in the two posts I quoted, I'm for a restrained foreign policy. I'm not a war hawk. But restrained means when it comes time to punch somebody in the face (Russia), we do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dextroden View Post
    Skroe is a great show of that. He and his army of "Real Americans" will get rid of the deplorables, fix the government and Make America Great Again.
    America is already great. Fixing government can only be done via a inclusive process of conservatives, moderates and liberals working together to forge a broad consensus (before we argue over details).

    And "real Americans" means everybody but you and your Alt-Right baby brigade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nathreim View Post

    Not a single Nazi or KKK member just concerned conservative and libertarian citizens. These people are far more American than the authoritarians surrounded them wanting to take away their voice with violence. They had to buss these people out because a leftist attacked a speaker with acid.
    Bullshit. I'm a Massachusetts conservative. There was no interest in this state getting involved in this Alt-Right protest. Massachusetts conservatives are broadly anti-Trump and anti-Alt-Right.

    Stop lying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Venant View Post
    There are a bunch of live streams out there, here is one of them that seems to be following protesters:

    People are concerned that Antifa will show up and will start attacking people. Hopefully things remain peaceful.

    Update: Antifa engaging in 'peaceful protesting' with a Trump supporter:


    Update 2: Antifa attacks BLM at Dallas protests
    There is no innocent Trump supporter by the way
    If you support Trump you are guilty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dextroden View Post
    Friend. I'm not exactly sure where Skroe's "With us or against us" fits into the pragmatism scale. In fact, that's part of how we got here. Or does his line about "People like you" remind you of tossing a lot of people that might have bought into the pragmatism on the word "deplorable"?

    Wait, I forgot. Calling black people welfare queens earned Republicans the majority of the black vote. Silly me.
    Yeah I'm sorry. With us or against us is entirely pragmatic when the "with us" is open to legitimately everybody who isn't a fucking Nazi or Nazi sympathizer / excuse maker like yourself.

    Just remember Dextroden. You legitimately spent the past week downplaying and excusing a terrorist attack, by an Alt-Right White Supremacist, on other Americans.

    You must be very proud.

    This should be easy. The barrier for entry is so fucking low, it can scarcely be called a barrier. But it's hard for you, Venant and the other Alt-Right here, because you're, frankly, really not great people. You've been illustrating that... really making glorified fools of yourselves... for over a week.

    I mean we had a fucking terrorist attack, and you people spent the week, like Islamists do, going on about the people you blamed for making the terrorist do it.

    That's not me being authoritarian. That's me having some level of minimum standard of human decency that, amazingly, you and the others fail to meet.

  10. #730
    Quote Originally Posted by Skroe View Post
    Words.
    Ey. It's my old friend "You disagree with me, so you're evil". If I'm Alt-Right, then you definitely are a neocon. Not even the fun matrix joke.

    I have, and always will, have a massive amount of respect for your positions on defense spending, innovation and rearmament. Realistically, we aren't enemies. But, since I refuse to go with okaying vandalism and violence because people with disgusting positions can't handle nonviolent protest and now have a terrorist style attack and a death on their mantle.

    Seriously get this through your head. I am not alt-right. I don't care what you need to tell yourself to feel better about imitating the man you despise the most, but throwing people that don't want to punch Nazis into your enemy pile is how you end up with no one backing you.
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  11. #731
    Quote Originally Posted by Skroe View Post
    Yeah I'm sorry. With us or against us is entirely pragmatic when the "with us" is open to legitimately everybody who isn't a fucking Nazi or Nazi sympathizer / excuse maker like yourself.

    Just remember Dextroden. You legitimately spent the past week downplaying and excusing a terrorist attack, by an Alt-Right White Supremacist, on other Americans.

    You must be very proud.

    This should be easy. The barrier for entry is so fucking low, it can scarcely be called a barrier. But it's hard for you, Venant and the other Alt-Right here, because you're, frankly, really not great people. You've been illustrating that... really making glorified fools of yourselves... for over a week.

    I mean we had a fucking terrorist attack, and you people spent the week, like Islamists do, going on about the people you blamed for making the terrorist do it.

    That's not me being authoritarian. That's me having some level of minimum standard of human decency that, amazingly, you and the others fail to meet.
    I downplayed just as much any idiot that quoted Trump's stupid ass response in the Barcelona thread. That's the only response you get on this garbage since you are legitimately blind to feed your ego.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dextroden View Post
    Ey. It's my old friend "You disagree with me, so you're evil". If I'm Alt-Right, then you definitely are a neocon. Not even the fun matrix joke.

    I have, and always will, have a massive amount of respect for your positions on defense spending, innovation and rearmament. Realistically, we aren't enemies. But, since I refuse to go with okaying vandalism and violence because people with disgusting positions can't handle nonviolent protest and now have a terrorist style attack and a death on their mantle.

    Seriously get this through your head. I am not alt-right. I don't care what you need to tell yourself to feel better about imitating the man you despise the most, but throwing people that don't want to punch Nazis into your enemy pile is how you end up with no one backing you.
    Take the respect you have for my positions and choke on it Dextroden. I legitimately don't want it. And you want to know why? You spent the past week excusing and downplaying a terrorist attack by the Alt-Right on other Americans. Your opinion on things... your "respect"... isn't worth dog shit. So you can keep it.

    You may not identify with the Alt-Right. You're probably Alt-Lite. But really, the label is irrelevant. You had an opportunity... an easy test, and you showed where you stood. Which is whatabouting a terrorist attack, just like you have spent much of the past 7 months Trumpsplaining the Administration's catastrophes or downplaying Trump-Russia despite the growing body of evidence.

    What is the Alt Lite?
    The term “alt lite” was created by the alt right to differentiate itself from right-wing activists who refused to publicly embrace white supremacist ideology.

    Today, the alt lite, sometimes referred to as the New Right, is loosely-connected movement whose adherents generally shun white supremacist thinking, but who are in step with the alt right in their hatred of feminists and immigrants, among others. Many within the alt lite sphere are virulently anti-Muslim; the group abhors everyone on “the left” and traffics in conspiracy theories, including #Pizzagate, which claimed there was evidence of a child slavery ring operating inside a DC pizzeria. The series of increasingly outrageous lies led to death threats against the pizzeria’s owner and employees, and ultimately resulted in a gunman opening fire inside the restaurant in an attempt to “save” the imaginary children.

    Some former alt right cheerleaders, including Mike Cernovich, migrated to the alt lite after refusing to openly espouse the alt right’s explicitly white supremacist beliefs. Like the alt right, the alt lite is largely populated by young people, and has a prolific online presence, using blogs and podcasts to broadcast dissatisfaction with the media and what they sweepingly refer to as “globalization.”

    What’s the Difference?

    Alt right writer and white supremacist Greg Johnson describes the difference between alt right and alt lite this way: “The alt light is defined by civic nationalism as opposed to racial nationalism,” which is a defining characteristic of the alt right.

    But while the alt right and alt lite are theoretically distinct – and include a number of warring factions, as seen at dueling June 2017 rallies in Washington DC – there is crossover between them. There are a number of people and groups who walk the line between alt right and alt lite, to the extent that it’s not always easy – or even possible -- to tell which side they’re on. The Proud Boys, an alt lite, right-wing activist group founded by Gavin McInnes and dedicated to “Reinstating a Spirit of Western chauvinism,” is a good example of a group toeing that line; some of their members support alt right figures and events, while others have made a point of steering clear of anything associated with white supremacist beliefs.
    The difference is relatively narrow. Racist white people, most male, mostly young, from the internet.

    This isn't about punching Nazis, as you comically make it about. I don't think we should punch Nazis. But I think treating the Alt-Right for what it is, an extremist group no different than Islamists, whose most radical members are only different from Jihadis in their doctrines, is a moral imperative. Charlottesville made it that.

    You failed the moral test. You may not identify as Alt-Right or Alt-Lite, but you fall squarely within that box. So I'll say it again, Choke on your praise for my defense positions and think on your conduct this past week. You should be ashamed of yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dextroden View Post
    I downplayed just as much any idiot that quoted Trump's stupid ass response in the Barcelona thread. That's the only response you get on this garbage since you are legitimately blind to feed your ego.
    Barcelona happened days later, brah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skroe View Post
    Gobble Gobble Gobble
    Okay dokey. That was fun. You are lost to the warp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dextroden View Post
    Okay dokey. That was fun. You are lost to the warp.
    I don't even get what that means. Explain it to me. Use small words.

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    Very interesting development indeed. Antifa vs BLM, on pay per view hopefully. I predict blm will destroy antifa in record time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skroe View Post
    I don't even get what that means. Explain it to me. Use small words.
    You are a carbon copy of what you long so hard to fight in the streets. An extremist. Someone so desperate for strife to prove you are the ubermensch, err, Real American.

    Alt lite. Sounds like you're having an alt fright. Unable to sleep at alt night. Maybe you should relax and fly an alt kite. Go down to the diner for an alt bite. You shouldn't be treating people with alt spite. Eventually, everything will be alt right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dextroden View Post
    You are a carbon copy of what you long so hard to fight in the streets. An extremist. Someone so desperate for strife to prove you are the ubermensch, err, Real American.

    Alt lite. Sounds like you're having an alt fright. Unable to sleep at alt night. Maybe you should relax and fly an alt kite. Go down to the diner for an alt bite. You shouldn't be treating people with alt spite. Eventually, everything will be alt right.
    Skroe is like Lindsey graham.

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    Skroe is ONLY concerned with the alt-right, obsessed even. When it comes to left and Muslim terrorism he is nowhere to be found. Meanwhile Europeans are getting slaughtered every week by Muslims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dextroden View Post
    You are a carbon copy of what you long so hard to fight in the streets. An extremist. Someone so desperate for strife to prove you are the ubermensch, err, Real American.
    On the contrary, there is legitimately nothing extremist about my positions. My national security postions are firmly in the mainstream of the defense establishment. My public policy positions are center-right.

    What I am is relentless, and not letting people like yourself get off the hook by calling a spade a spade. The Alt-Right operates with it's euphamisms and dogwhistles. The solution is to just call them what they are.

    Witness the haircut thread. Or any thread centering on Pepe. Us actual decent people on the right, joined by moderates and the left, know exactly what all that is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dextroden View Post
    Alt lite. Sounds like you're having an alt fright. Unable to sleep at alt night. Maybe you should relax and fly an alt kite. Go down to the diner for an alt bite. You shouldn't be treating people with alt spite. Eventually, everything will be alt right.
    Things are already well on their way to being alright.



    Next up, your President betrays the people who put him there. And you get to watch.

    Get ready for Son-of-TPP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hooked View Post
    Skroe is like Lindsey graham.
    Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skroe View Post
    Cluck Cluck Cluck
    Replace decent people with good Aryans and we're on the right track.

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