CNN does report on Antifa

[Vyxn]

Considering 100% of famines are human-caused, that's a pretty specious exclusion.

what? how is all crop failure human caused? never mind it is never the starving persons fault for his hunger it some one else's fault for not giving him free food
no one is ever a victim of their own actions it is always some ones else's fault for their inaction

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I suppose Ireland was also a case of "handling the situation poorly", as well?

Actually, Yes it was. It was also a case of Democracy being an utterly fickle tool too.

[Elegiac]

what? how is all crop failure human caused? never mind it is never the starving persons fault for his hunger it some one else's fault for not giving him free food
no one is ever a victim of their own actions it is always some ones else's fault for their inaction

Reliance on a limited number of easily wiped out food sources is a human cause, yes.

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Actually, Yes it was. It was also a case of Democracy being an utterly fickle tool too.

You heard it here first guys, the Great Leap Forward was just a case of "handling the situation poorly".

We get it. You hate communism for 'reasons' and are willing to give everyone but communists a free pass because it preserves your myopic worldview.

[Deleted]

It's almost as if Marx and Engels based their philosophy on a standing corpus of socialist philosophy and never would have arrived at the conclusions they did without the influence of people like Saint-Simon and Fourier.

Are you going to admit you were talking out of your ass, or were you just being "hyperbolic"?

Because "Inspired by" and "Influenced" does not mean "Is"

Saint-Simons work actually draws up a vastly different Design model more Akin to Ancient Greece than any true Socialist ideal. The main thing being, there is no Collectivist terminology in Saint-Simons work outside of refering to Classes, and Saint-Simons work does not call for the overthrowing of classes, merely that in his ideal model, Classes are not a thing. Remember, in Saint-Simons work, "The Working Class" are also bankers, Scientists and so forth, very much rich people, but those with functioning Jobs.

Marx and Engel very much took Class Identity Politics and ran with all of it, Marx specifically outlines his disregard for Bankers for example.

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You heard it here first guys, the Great Leap Forward was just a case of "handling the situation poorly".

We get it. You hate communism for 'reasons' and are willing to give everyone but communists a free pass because it preserves your myopic worldview.

No, I just understand the mechanics and reasons why the Potato Blight happened.

[Elegiac]

Because "Inspired by" and "Influenced" does not mean "Is"

Saint-Simons work actually draws up a vastly different Design model more Akin to Ancient Greece than any true Socialist ideal. The main thing being, there is no Collectivist terminology in Saint-Simons work outside of refering to Classes, and Saint-Simons work does not call for the overthrowing of classes, merely that in his ideal model, Classes are not a thing. Remember, in Saint-Simons work, "The Working Class" are also bankers, Scientists and so forth, very much rich people, but those with functioning Jobs.

I'm not sure why you think any of this is mutually exclusive with socialism.

Oh, wait, your entire knowledge of socialism stems from the Daily Mail. Go figure.

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No, I just understand the mechanics and reasons why the Potato Blight happened.

An explicit policy of oppression and economic disenfranchisement because the Celts are just so inferior to us upstanding Anglo-Saxons?

[Cooper]

No, I just understand the mechanics and reasons why the Potato Blight happened.

There's more to the Potato Famine than the blight. As far as I know it is generally accepted that even with the blight there would've been enough food in Ireland to feed everybody, if the British hadn't packed it all up and shipped it off and essentially told the Irish to get over it.

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I'm not sure why you think any of this is mutually exclusive with socialism.

Oh, wait, your entire knowledge of socialism stems from the Daily Mail. Go figure.

Because Ideological Systems and Political systems are not draw up in neat little pockets called either "Captialism" or "Socialism"

For the record, in Victorian England, or Indeed, Post-Revolutionary France like in Saint-Simons work, How was the means of Production NOT in the hands of "The people" and for the biggest kicker.

How is the means of production not in the hands of the people now?

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An explicit policy of oppression and economic disenfranchisement because the Celts are just so inferior to us upstanding Anglo-Saxons?

Literally not how the Potato Blight went, and Dublin was the second richest city in the British isles at the time of the Potato blight.

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There's more to the Potato Famine than the blight. As far as I know it is generally accepted that even with the blight there would've been enough food in Ireland to feed everybody, if the British hadn't packed it all up and shipped it off and essentially told the Irish to get over it.

That's not how the Potato Famine went though, Initally, Britain DID ship food to Ireland AND fixed tax rates so food was cheaper in Ireland.

The issue was Irish landlords split their land up too much to provide this outcome of Grain to grow properly, and this caused a Political Backlash across Britain.

[Vyxn]

Didn't you just call me a "fucking clown" a few posts back? Now I hurt your feelings and I'm no longer being civil? I feel bad for you, honestly. The thing I fear most, one day being unable to understand the simplest of concepts (from old age perhaps), is how you were born. Do you cry at night wishing you were actually intelligent?

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I think you missed the "n't" of his post.

opps your right

[Strangewayes]

And we all learned that Antifa are noble freedom fighters and should be allowed to start a civil war to install a true working Communist system! I'm I right guys? ...guys?

[RickJamesLich]

And the good people at CNN wonder why people do not give a shit when someone like Trump refers to them as fake news lol.

[Putin-Chan]

I love how the debate about Antifa versus the alt right basically boils down to: "Well, my domestic terrorist group is at least not as bad as yours, so what they do cancels out because they're defending themselves against the other--it's basic geometry."

Fuck, I sound like some Guy Fawkes mask-wearing edgy self-superior cunt.

[Strangewayes]

I love how the debate about Antifa versus the alt right basically boils down to: "Well, my domestic terrorist group is at least not as bad as yours, so what they do cancels out because they're defending themselves against the other--it's basic geometry."

Fuck, I sound like some Guy Fawkes mask-wearing edgy self-superior cunt.

Do we have a y'now chart for the past say ten yours for both groups so we can keep track of the kill/injury/arrest count?

[Cthulhu 2020]

Ironic. The right-wingers on this forum keeps claiming that the left-wingers are "bad for calling all right-wingers facists" (which is a blatant lie, as no-one has said that), and here comes b21 stomping in to prove that HE is more than happy to blame all Left-Wingers for the actions of a couple.

Pretty much.

This forum's right wingers:

"WAAAAAAAAAAAH YOU JUST SAID ALL RIGHTIES ARE NAZIS/FACISTS!"

"No I didn't, I said a lot of them were."

"A LOT MEANS ALL OF THEM YOU LIBRUHL GENERALIZER SCUMBAG!"

Different thread, same person:

"ALL LIBERALS ARE VIOLENT ANTIFA!"

"Weren't you just getting upset about generalizations?"

"STFU LIBERAL SCUMBAGS!"

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Pretty much.

This forum's right wingers:

"WAAAAAAAAAAAH YOU JUST SAID ALL RIGHTIES ARE NAZIS/FACISTS!"

"No I didn't, I said a lot of them were."

"A LOT MEANS ALL OF THEM YOU LIBRUHL GENERALIZER SCUMBAG!"

Different thread, same person:

"ALL LIBERALS ARE VIOLENT ANTIFA!"

"Weren't you just getting upset about generalizations?"

"STFU LIBERAL SCUMBAGS!"

I'd love for you to show 2 different threads with the same person saying this.

[Jastall]

Well; Endus provided me with the means to prove how fucking stupid you all are.

http://www.diffen.com/difference/Communism_vs_Socialism

"In a way, communism is an extreme form of socialism. Many countries have dominant socialist political parties but very few are truly communist. In fact, most countries - including staunch capitalist bastions like the U.S. and U.K. - have government programs that borrow from socialist principles. "Socialism" is sometimes used interchangeably with "communism" but the two philosophies have some stark differences. Most notably, while communism is a political system, socialism is primarily an economic system that can exist in various forms under a wide range of political systems."

They're the fucking same thing, All they do is argue the semantics.

I don't get this logic. The quote you posted shows the difference between socialism and communism, and how one doesn't lead to the other, then you say they're the same thing. Does not compute.

It's like saying patriotism and fascism are the same thing because one takes the other to extremes.

[rogueMatthias]

hmmm.

Antifa aren't pro-democrats, they're communist and anti-government. The media trying to paint them as some necessary nazi-fighting-freedom-force is going to massively back fire on them sooner or later.

[zenkai]

Turns out how you expect lol



http://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/18/us...eft/index.html

That moment when CNN finally tells the truth, ah it was nice while it lasted.

[Dextroden]

hmmm.

Antifa aren't pro-democrats, they're communist and anti-government. The media trying to paint them as some necessary nazi-fighting-freedom-force is going to massively back fire on them sooner or later.

Come on man. Backing violent groups that despise us to oppose other groups has always worked out for us.

Just look at the middle east.

[Rustykeyboard]

Antifa aren't extremists or violent. In fact some of the videos posted recently in this thread or in the Boston Hate Speech rally show videos of antifa shouting "no violence" and doing great effort to keep things peaceful among their protests.

I feel that the people who are trying to portray the recent counter-protests as violent are drinking the alt-right kool-aid.

antifa are violent. they assault any people who disagree with them. antifa have demolished statues or vandalized them. just like the terror organisation in the middle east, isis, did. demolishing or vandalizing religious statues or historic marks is something that has been done since the start of the big civilisations, and antifa is acting just like them, so they are not better in any circumstances

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According to endus they are angry kids

And this guy is a moderator of this forum