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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquamonkey View Post
    Not a CM, as in a Community Manager. The CM, as in the Chris Metzen.
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    Isnt falstaad dead?

    The argument is killing old gods is bad. Deathwing would of risen regardless of yogg saron being killed or not. If the hour of twilight got sped up because of it is irrelevant. It was going to happen anyway
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    Quote Originally Posted by anaxie View Post
    Three words

    Isnt falstaad dead?

    The argument is killing old gods is bad. Deathwing would of risen regardless of yogg saron being killed or not. If the hour of twilight got sped up because of it is irrelevant. It was going to happen anyway
    What may or may not have happened should Yogg have not failed is ambiguous at best. In fact, the possibilities are absolutely endless. Just because a plan was set in motion doesn't mean it would've gotten off the ground. Fact is, had Yogg succeeded in his plan, Deathwing's eruption would've been unnecessary and, frankly, probably interrupted by Yogg himself as the Old Gods are well-known for infighting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anaxie View Post
    A CM said it

    CMs are proven to be fucking idiots.

    Yoggs death is no relation to Deathwing coming up. Deathwing came up because that was the chosen expansion.

    Killing old gods does not hurt the planet in any way. Thats the argument being made. It doesnt happen that way

    Nevermind the quote is fucking 2010
    LOLOLOLOL did you read it said "blizzcon" at the bottem?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    LOLOLOLOL did you read it said "blizzcon" at the bottem?
    did you read the part where its fucking irrelevant where it came from because of how the events happened?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisisvacant View Post
    What may or may not have happened should Yogg have not failed is ambiguous at best. In fact, the possibilities are absolutely endless. Just because a plan was set in motion doesn't mean it would've gotten off the ground. Fact is, had Yogg succeeded in his plan, Deathwing's eruption would've been unnecessary and, frankly, probably interrupted by Yogg himself as the Old Gods are well-known for infighting.
    okay again. Deathwing erupting is not a byproduct of KILLING the old gods. its an entirely different being not comparable to what happened the way Yasharraj died.

    Deathwing caused earthquakes by shattering the pillar of earth in deepholm and coming up THROUGH the mealstrom.

    Yasharajj left a CRATER and opened up hallow "veins" where his tendrils used to go that caused the world soul to bleed out heavily.

    Deathwing shattered the earth pillar to escape. Yogg Saron Dying didnt shatter the earth pillar.

    Deathwing went on his world tour of destruction because he was a powerful behemoth, not because Yogg Sarons Death caused firestorms to randomly appear.\

    This is the topic and if none of you can grasp that then so be it. You must be confused by elementary school writing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anaxie View Post
    did you read the part where its fucking irrelevant where it came from because of how the events happened?

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    okay again. Deathwing erupting is not a byproduct of KILLING the old gods. its an entirely different being not comparable to what happened the way Yasharraj died.

    Deathwing caused earthquakes by shattering the pillar of earth in deepholm and coming up THROUGH the mealstrom.

    Yasharajj left a CRATER and opened up hallow "veins" where his tendrils used to go that caused the world soul to bleed out heavily.

    Deathwing shattered the earth pillar to escape. Yogg Saron Dying didnt shatter the earth pillar.

    Deathwing went on his world tour of destruction because he was a powerful behemoth, not because Yogg Sarons Death caused firestorms to randomly appear.\

    This is the topic and if none of you can grasp that then so be it. You must be confused by elementary school writing.
    I think you are just taking the causality bit a smidge too literal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anaxie View Post
    did you read the part where its fucking irrelevant where it came from because of how the events happened?

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    okay again. Deathwing erupting is not a byproduct of KILLING the old gods. its an entirely different being not comparable to what happened the way Yasharraj died.

    Deathwing caused earthquakes by shattering the pillar of earth in deepholm and coming up THROUGH the mealstrom.

    Yasharajj left a CRATER and opened up hallow "veins" where his tendrils used to go that caused the world soul to bleed out heavily.

    Deathwing shattered the earth pillar to escape. Yogg Saron Dying didnt shatter the earth pillar.

    Deathwing went on his world tour of destruction because he was a powerful behemoth, not because Yogg Sarons Death caused firestorms to randomly appear.\

    This is the topic and if none of you can grasp that then so be it. You must be confused by elementary school writing.
    It is from chris metzen himself, it is possible yog sarrons death played a role, warning nzoth possibly, causing him to wake up deathwing "it is time, they are going to come for me" kinda deal


    i do love how you are trying to say you have more lore authority then chris though...
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    Quote Originally Posted by anaxie View Post
    Three words

    Isnt falstaad dead?

    The argument is killing old gods is bad. Deathwing would of risen regardless of yogg saron being killed or not. If the hour of twilight got sped up because of it is irrelevant. It was going to happen anyway
    Correctness is not quite the same thing as canonicity - the Devs can alter the story, changing the nature of events (e.g. the Eredar and the origins of the Draenei) and so make new canon and retiring existing canon. In the case of the Draenei Metzen made a mistake about the Eredar's history but that mistake is now part of Warcraft canon regardless.

    As for the Old Gods and the Cataclysm, Metzen's quote implies that Yogg-Saron's death was indeed a component that sparked the Cataclysm. Likely Yogg-Saron's death sent a shockwave out that destabilized the boundaries between Azeroth and Elemental Planes, causing the Elemental upheaval that occurred before Deathwing's actual release (a psychic event that Thrall and many other Shamans picked up on in the waning days of the Northrend campaign). This shockwave might've also compromised the World Pillar in Deepholm, which Deathwing capitalized on when he fully destroyed it and escaped Deepholm in a fury.
    "The City Council announces the opening of a new Dog Park at the corner of Earl and Somerset, near the Ralph’s. They would like to remind everyone that dogs are not allowed in the Dog Park. People are not allowed in the Dog Park. It is possible you will see Hooded Figures in the Dog Park. Do not approach them. Do not approach the Dog Park. The fence is electrified and highly dangerous. Try not to look at the Dog Park, and especially do not look for any period of time at the Hooded Figures. The Dog Park will not harm you."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aucald View Post
    Correctness is not quite the same thing as canonicity - the Devs can alter the story, changing the nature of events (e.g. the Eredar and the origins of the Draenei) and so make new canon and retiring existing canon. In the case of the Draenei Metzen made a mistake about the Eredar's history but that mistake is now part of Warcraft canon regardless.

    As for the Old Gods and the Cataclysm, Metzen's quote implies that Yogg-Saron's death was indeed a component that sparked the Cataclysm. Likely Yogg-Saron's death sent a shockwave out that destabilized the boundaries between Azeroth and Elemental Planes, causing the Elemental upheaval that occurred before Deathwing's actual release (a psychic event that Thrall and many other Shamans picked up on in the waning days of the Northrend campaign). This shockwave might've also compromised the World Pillar in Deepholm, which Deathwing capitalized on when he fully destroyed it and escaped Deepholm in a fury.
    What really happened:

    "Shit, we have used Illidan, Arthas and even KJ. We have no big shots from WC3 left. What now?"

    "Anything from previous Warcrafts?"

    "Well they're all dead or... wait, Deathwing is still alive!"

    "Deathwing, there! Expansion 3, go!"


    (In all seriousness, upcomign Chronicles volumes could give us connection between Yogg-Saron's death and Cataclysm.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lahis View Post
    What really happened:

    "Shit, we have used Illidan, Arthas and even KJ. We have no big shots from WC3 left. What now?"

    "Anything from previous Warcrafts?"

    "Well they're all dead or... wait, Deathwing is still alive!"

    "Deathwing, there! Expansion 3, go!"


    (In all seriousness, upcomign Chronicles volumes could give us connection between Yogg-Saron's death and Cataclysm.)
    I've no doubt that a version of that is how the rough storyboarding for WoW kind of goes - although that's a conversation that probably happened somewhere in the midst of Classic or maybe TBC. Mining for a marquee type of character, then giving them a storyline connected to previous events in some way. The Dev. team probably likes to be 2 expansions ahead of the curve at any time in the process, with allowances for story alterations as needed to suit either player reaction or changes in the narrative flow.

    "Chronicles Vol. 3" or "Vol. 4" might make the connection more or explicit - it may not, it could theoretically change the nature of the Old Gods to fit in with the ever-looming Void concept more tightly. I've no doubt that the role of the Old Gods has been changed a bit from the earlier days of WoW, though.
    "The City Council announces the opening of a new Dog Park at the corner of Earl and Somerset, near the Ralph’s. They would like to remind everyone that dogs are not allowed in the Dog Park. People are not allowed in the Dog Park. It is possible you will see Hooded Figures in the Dog Park. Do not approach them. Do not approach the Dog Park. The fence is electrified and highly dangerous. Try not to look at the Dog Park, and especially do not look for any period of time at the Hooded Figures. The Dog Park will not harm you."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ac3v3n7uRa View Post
    I don't think Blizzard has necessarily retconned anything from Chronicles (I've only read Pt. 1, however).

    Blizzard has supplemented Chronicle with new information, but all of it can be reconciled.

    One thing that people commonly point to as a Chronicle "retcon" is the fact that Chronicle says that Sargeras destroyed the Titans, but we go to Argus and discover that Sargeras captured their souls. This can be reconciled because Chronicle also mentions that Norgannon protected the Titans' spirits just before their bodies were destroyed, sent their spirits into the Keepers, and the Keepers couldn't hold the Titans' spirits inside them. It follows then that the spirits were left hostless to wander the Great Dark Beyond until they were ultimately found by Sargeras/Aggramar.
    yea people need to realize that just because they arent sure how 2 bits of lore fit together that it doesnt mean its badly written.

    like people talking about overwatch couldnt understand how someone not in overwatch could take a picture with the overwatch team so they assumed that picture with mercy was an inconsistency and insulted michael chu about it.
    I grew up Horde, and as a proud orc shaman I cant understand these people. "ooh we blew up your city and killed everyone you care about but thats no reason to be angry" "oh we destroyed your entire country and murdered your son, but get over it" "Oh we invade foreign countries and melt, torture and mind control our victims but the Alliance were negligent and accidentally sent Tauren into dangerous territory. THEY are the evil ones" The players hate hypocrites more than murderers

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    Quote Originally Posted by anaxie View Post
    Deathwing caused earthquakes by shattering the pillar of earth in deepholm and coming up THROUGH the mealstrom.
    The earthquakes happened quite a bit before DW did that.
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    ´So.. sorry to bring this up but..you know that .."thing" (Med'an).. is that "thing" cannon still?
    ...as much have some have wished otherwise, yes. (Loreology)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquamonkey View Post
    The earthquakes happened quite a bit before DW did that.
    Watch the cinematic where deathwing is flailing around
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    Quote Originally Posted by anaxie View Post
    Watch the cinematic where deathwing is flailing around
    And the elemental unrest prelude to Cataclysm? ...the stuff that happened before DW busted the World Pillar.
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    ´So.. sorry to bring this up but..you know that .."thing" (Med'an).. is that "thing" cannon still?
    ...as much have some have wished otherwise, yes. (Loreology)

    RPG is non-canon by default. (MickyNeilson)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquamonkey View Post
    And the elemental unrest prelude to Cataclysm? ...the stuff that happened before DW busted the World Pillar.
    Twilights hammer obviously
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    Nothing was really retconned. It was just elaborated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquamonkey View Post
    And the elemental unrest prelude to Cataclysm? ...the stuff that happened before DW busted the World Pillar.
    Aqua, the person has been banned countless times, and has a wow hentai character with the words "not banned"
    dont waste your time, plz.
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