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  1. #361
    Quote Originally Posted by Mattelot View Post
    I played FFXI until I started playing WoW when it came out. I played WoW for many years up until the end of Mists. I switched over to FFXIV and ended up playing on the PS4. I am switching back to WoW here once my new PC arrives.

    FFXIV was a fun game for the most part. Leveling isn't too bad (I think WoW leveling was better) but the fact that you can switch jobs on the fly is really nice.

    The main reason I'm switching back is because FFXIV's community is the absolute worse of any game I've played. Until FFXIV, I've never heard of people being bullied into playing how someone else says they should. FFXIV Dev's clearly state to respect other's unique playstyles and that does not happen. Even if you're like me and laugh at e-bullies, the fact that its "just how the community is" really made the game that much less fun.
    Unique play styles? Are you sure you’re playing FF14?

    If the FF14 community has you that shaken, I’d advise staying in whatever box you’re in...or at least avoid the internet as a whole.

  2. #362
    Quote Originally Posted by Kazela View Post
    Unique play styles? Are you sure you’re playing FF14?

    If the FF14 community has you that shaken, I’d advise staying in whatever box you’re in...or at least avoid the internet as a whole.
    As I said. Just sounds like they or a friend was asked to off dps as a healer, refused and were kicked from content.

    So basically nothing at all.

  3. #363
    Quote Originally Posted by Kazela View Post
    Unique play styles? Are you sure you’re playing FF14?

    If the FF14 community has you that shaken, I’d advise staying in whatever box you’re in...or at least avoid the internet as a whole.
    He was right thought. I've played ffxiv, wow, aion, guild wars, everquest and swtor and ffxiv had the absolute most garbage community by a huge margin.

  4. #364
    Quote Originally Posted by Mattelot View Post
    The main reason I'm switching back is because FFXIV's community is the absolute worse of any game I've played. Until FFXIV, I've never heard of people being bullied into playing how someone else says they should. FFXIV Dev's clearly state to respect other's unique playstyles and that does not happen. Even if you're like me and laugh at e-bullies, the fact that its "just how the community is" really made the game that much less fun.
    lolwut? FFXIV for me was the first MMO I've played were very few people even mentioned my playstyle. The fact it doesn't have "allowed" DPS meters also means anyone that hassles you over DPS/how you play you can straight up report and they will be banned.

    It's weird how we have the complete opposite experience in the same game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mattelot View Post
    I'm also not talking about helping people. That's just common for any MMO. Friendly help is far less common in FFXIV than any other game I've played. Yes, all games have trash-talkers, elitists and trolls but that game definitely took the cake. It's the only game where I've seen people threatened for not having the playstyle that elitists expect. I've never seen that in FFXI or WoW.
    Once again, literally never saw this and I was in a massive guild doing OSV4. Maybe it was just your guild? or maybe I never experienced it because I was an actual good player. But then again I never even saw bad players get threatened or yelled at.

    FFXIV is literally the friendliest online game I've ever played.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Necromantic View Post
    He was right thought. I've played ffxiv, wow, aion, guild wars, everquest and swtor and ffxiv had the absolute most garbage community by a huge margin.
    Wtf. I feel like it is just you guys being horrible people then getting shitty when people tell you to get lost.

  5. #365
    You can play both.

    However, both games don't have anything new.
    The same thing over and over.

  6. #366
    Quote Originally Posted by Necromantic View Post
    He was right thought. I've played ffxiv, wow, aion, guild wars, everquest and swtor and ffxiv had the absolute most garbage community by a huge margin.
    Ok. Then explain how it was garbage unlike the other poster who was very vague if you want to discuss it.

    Give me an honest example of something that happened. Let me actually try and help you and see the situation.

    The other person gave me no fair example other than vague statements of being "threatened" or friends being "threatened" and judging by the posts it says to me that the person or a friend was asked to off dps in end game content as a healer or use DPS stance as a tank and refused.

  7. #367
    Quote Originally Posted by Meat Rubbing Specialist View Post
    Wtf. I feel like it is just you guys being horrible people then getting shitty when people tell you to get lost.
    I'm sorry you feel that way.

  8. #368
    I've played a bit during the launch (ARR) and during the first expansion launch... I mostly stopped because there was a lot less content that wow, quests were clunky, fates are longer WQ.

    I don't know about the current state of the game but the lack of good raid content was the problem. Yes the story and the design of raids was cool but most bosses had no/stupid/insane strategy.

    People always cry about the grind in wow, its (or was?) a lot worse in ff14

    And I tried to play healer (whm)... that 2second GCD is just a no no. Keep in mind that people are actually playing... with a controller

  9. #369
    Quote Originally Posted by vashe9 View Post
    I've played a bit during the launch (ARR) and during the first expansion launch... I mostly stopped because there was a lot less content that wow, quests were clunky, fates are longer WQ.

    I don't know about the current state of the game but the lack of good raid content was the problem. Yes the story and the design of raids was cool but most bosses had no/stupid/insane strategy.

    People always cry about the grind in wow, its (or was?) a lot worse in ff14

    And I tried to play healer (whm)... that 2second GCD is just a no no. Keep in mind that people are actually playing... with a controller
    Fates were an awesome idea but were not very efficient. The "large-scale" ones are really neat but you rarely ever saw people do those beyond ARR. I do agree that the grind was worse too.

  10. #370
    Quote Originally Posted by Necromantic View Post
    I'm sorry you feel that way.
    Why feel sorry for me? I just feel sorry for you, that you somehow found the friendliest MMO community I ever played in as somehow the worst.

  11. #371
    Quote Originally Posted by Meat Rubbing Specialist View Post
    Why feel sorry for me? I just feel sorry for you, that you somehow found the friendliest MMO community I ever played in as somehow the worst.
    If FFXIV did not have a great community it would have failed years ago.


    The content never changes, we are getting close to the third expansion and it's exact the same game and content roll outs.

  12. #372
    Quote Originally Posted by Necromantic View Post
    I'm sorry you feel that way.
    So are you actually going to give one of your examples of this "awful community" or not?

    Vague statements help nothing.

    Obviously no names but any singular example. All you've said is the community is awful without going into depth why or how it was awful to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Masoner View Post
    If FFXIV did not have a great community it would have failed years ago.


    The content never changes, we are getting close to the third expansion and it's exact the same game and content roll outs.
    So is most games to be fair. Either the same content or mix up previous expansions content and create a new version. Or games borrow from each other.

    Azerite? Just tier sets at it's core and a worse version of Artifacts imo.

    Planar Attunement? Alternate Advancement at it's core

    Masteries in GW2? Literally GW2s own version of Planar Attunement in a way as you earn post 80 XP however the Masteries are not power related.

    Every game either uses previous expansion stuff or borrows from other games.

  13. #373
    Quote Originally Posted by Meat Rubbing Specialist View Post
    Why feel sorry for me? I just feel sorry for you, that you somehow found the friendliest MMO community I ever played in as somehow the worst.
    You felt I was a horrible person. I don't know how I can convince you otherwise. I'm one of the nicest people you're likely to meet. I've had conversations in-game and on forums for every game that I've played and of course, every game has trolls or people with "issues" (lack of a better word) and you learn how to deal with them. I personally ignore trolls and angry people while others feed into them. I'm glad you find it the friendliest and you have a good experience but from my many years of experience, I found it to be trash.

  14. #374
    Quote Originally Posted by Necromantic View Post
    You felt I was a horrible person. I don't know how I can convince you otherwise. I'm one of the nicest people you're likely to meet. I've had conversations in-game and on forums for every game that I've played and of course, every game has trolls or people with "issues" (lack of a better word) and you learn how to deal with them. I personally ignore trolls and angry people while others feed into them. I'm glad you find it the friendliest and you have a good experience but from my many years of experience, I found it to be trash.
    And again. How did you find it to be trash? What specifically? Were you told to off DPS as a healer and didn't? Because that's not a trash community. That is common sense on playing a job at endgame.

    Are you actually going to go into detail or not?

  15. #375
    Quote Originally Posted by Necromantic View Post
    I'm sorry you feel that way.
    Like the old saying goes 'if you keep running into conflict maybe you are the common factor".
    http://theeorzeanfrontier.blogspot.co.uk/ Neckbeard rambling about this weeaboo trash

  16. #376
    Quote Originally Posted by dope_danny View Post
    Like the old saying goes 'if you keep running into conflict maybe you are the common factor".
    You're absolutely right, in the case where someone is just an instigator by nature. I see them here and there. Pretty much all of the conflict I've seen isn't even my own. I read the forums and other community sites often and the way people talk to others is just sad. Granted, it's not exclusive to that this game so don't get me wrong as I've been around wow long enough.

  17. #377
    Quote Originally Posted by Meat Rubbing Specialist View Post
    lolwut? FFXIV for me was the first MMO I've played were very few people even mentioned my playstyle. The fact it doesn't have "allowed" DPS meters also means anyone that hassles you over DPS/how you play you can straight up report and they will be banned.

    It's weird how we have the complete opposite experience in the same game.

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    Once again, literally never saw this and I was in a massive guild doing OSV4. Maybe it was just your guild? or maybe I never experienced it because I was an actual good player. But then again I never even saw bad players get threatened or yelled at.

    FFXIV is literally the friendliest online game I've ever played.

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    Wtf. I feel like it is just you guys being horrible people then getting shitty when people tell you to get lost.
    Yeah I forgot this lack of meters.... its stupid, because I use dps meter in wow as it's meant to be... a way to see if my upgrades/playstyle is efficient or not.
    Thats one of the reason I stopped raiding after 1 week on the highest difficulty... it was impossible to see who was doing his/her job or not....

    And sorry but I don't like to play with clueless players won't dont know what they're doing, I dont want to "respect" them for being clueless. In the age of internet, anyone can at least read a guide.
    Last edited by vashe9; 2018-09-12 at 12:03 PM.

  18. #378
    Quote Originally Posted by Necromantic View Post
    You're absolutely right, in the case where someone is just an instigator by nature. I see them here and there. Pretty much all of the conflict I've seen isn't even my own. I read the forums and other community sites often and the way people talk to others is just sad. Granted, it's not exclusive to that this game so don't get me wrong as I've been around wow long enough.
    So basically you took 1 look at Reddit and decided "AWFUL COMMUNITY"?

    Seems we got that out of the way. You judge a community by a site that is known for being a cesspit of people.

    So not only have you not provided your own personal experience of "awful community". You don't have one and are using reddit as some makeshift victim card play. A site known for it's toxicity in some areas.

    I mean if you are going to victim card at least play it on yourself rather than an external source. That's just even more pathetic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vashe9 View Post
    Yeah I forgot this lack of meters.... its stupid, because I use dps meter in wow as it meant to be... a way to see if my upgrades/playstyle is efficient or not.
    Thats one of the reason I stopped raiding after 1 week on the highest difficulty... it was impossible to see who was doing his/her job or not....
    FF Logs is used these days.

    And you can use an unofficial DPS meter just don't use it to give people shit about their DPS.
    Last edited by Eleccybubb; 2018-09-12 at 12:05 PM.

  19. #379
    Quote Originally Posted by vashe9 View Post
    Yeah I forgot this lack of meters.... its stupid, because I use dps meter in wow as it meant to be... a way to see if my upgrades/playstyle is efficient or not.
    Thats one of the reason I stopped raiding after 1 week on the highest difficulty... it was impossible to see who was doing his/her job or not....
    It isn't impossible, there are parsing/combat log programs, you just aren't allowed to talk about them or link them in chat to berate people. My FC used them a lot for our progression, but you never use them with pugs.

  20. #380
    Quote Originally Posted by Meat Rubbing Specialist View Post
    It isn't impossible, there are parsing/combat log programs, you just aren't allowed to talk about them or link them in chat to berate people. My FC used them a lot for our progression, but you never use them with pugs.
    Same as me. They were a very useful tool for savage and extreme but you basically described exactly why Yoshida did not want them for pugs.

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