Is disagreeing with Orders you have been given...

[Doctor Amadeus]

Is disagreeing with Orders you have been given the same as not supporting the cause you gave an oath to, or agreement you made to do so?

[lockedout]

Is disagreeing with Orders you have been given the same as not supporting the cause you gave an oath to, or agreement you made to do so?

Can you give an example to your ridiculously vague question?
Also no poll?

[Tierbook]

Like work orders in WoW?

[Deleted]

What order? Some voice in the head telling you what to do?

[Doctor Amadeus]

Can you give an example to your ridiculously vague question?
Also no poll?

Yes, can you enforce the law, but not agree with a law?

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What order? Some voice in the head telling you what to do?

Maybe it's a group you joined, a militia, a military for whatever reason, but as groups do, you have various personalities, and let say someone flying the same banner as you who has rank over you asks you to do something you feel is pointless or even counter productive.

They aren't breaking and rules per say themselves, but they want you to engage in activity you don't believe has shit to do with your over all end beliefs over all.

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Depends do those order possible undermined or counter the oath you gave?

Also why are we bolding!

Hahaha, fine, unbolded.

[lockedout]

Yes, can you enforce the law, but not agree with a law?

Most police do, some don't. Nothing will happen either way.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Most police do, some don't. Nothing will happen either way.

Not about consequence.

The question is about choice, and where a person stands when making a choice, you know facilitating understanding directly towards say police for example, who often times as many say are doing a job that can be pretty shitty sometimes.

[zephid]

Is disagreeing with Orders you have been given the same as not supporting the cause you gave an oath to, or agreement you made to do so?

Doesn't matter if you disagree with the orders or not, as long as you carry them out.

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Yes, can you enforce the law, but not agree with a law?

Yes, of course you can.

[nyc81991]

"Yes, You can disagree with a method but support a cause "

But, sometimes the "cause" you think you are apart of isn't the same as the actual "cause" you thought you were joining.

[Doctor Amadeus]

"Yes, You can disagree with a method but support a cause "

But, sometimes the "cause" you think you are apart of isn't the same as the actual "cause" you thought you were joining.

That is a damn good point!

[Independent voter]

Well it's legal for troops to disobey orders at times. Say they are ordered to fire on innocent civilians who are just going about their daily business.

I don't think police get orders too often, they just enforce the law written on the books, military stuff in a war isn't so cut and dry.

[lockedout]

Not about consequence.

The question is about choice, and where a person stands when making a choice.

With choice comes consequence you have to weight them both.

[Tijuana]

Is disagreeing with Orders you have been given the same as not supporting the cause you gave an oath to, or agreement you made to do so?

I think taking an oath changes things, in some cases. Like, if you took a military oath, and you are being ordered to take a position in a maneuver that may lead to your death, you can't just disobey the order, lose the battle, and put your fellow soldiers at risk.

Also, mere disagreement with orders is completely a non-issue, until you act or say something about them.

[Ghostpanther]

You can stay faithful to a oath and still not agree with some parts of it. If you are a soldier or police officer for example, you do not make the rules. You follow lawful orders no matter what your personal feelings are. If you can not do that, then you picked the wrong job to have.

[Lynarii]

It's hard to give a cut and dried answer to this. Methods define a specific group, not a cause. One of the things any person needs to watch out for when joining a group is whether or not they actually act in accordance with their stated beliefs. There are lots of groups out there that claim a cause that they do nothing to further. There are groups that do things that are in active opposition to what they say they believe in. Disagreeing with these groups does not mean one doesn't believe in the overall cause.

In the case of things like the police and the military, orders are NOT absolute. You are expected to follow lawful orders, even if you don't like them very much, but most reputable police forces and armies expect their people to say no if they're told to do something that is counter to the laws they are sworn to uphold. Not murdering innocents doesn't make one less loyal to their country, it just means the one giving the order is a war criminal.

[ItachiZaku]

Sounds a lot like "I don't support the war, but I support the troops"

People need to know when you sign up for military, cop school etc that you are signing up to kill people (potentially). Signing your name means you consent to training and command that can and will put you in harms way.

[unbound]

Is disagreeing with Orders you have been given the same as not supporting the cause you gave an oath to, or agreement you made to do so?

I think this one minute video sums up things quite well:

[vindicatorx]

Yes, can you enforce the law, but not agree with a law?

Yes, agreeing with a law is not a prerequisite for enforcing a law.

[Seranthor]

Is disagreeing with Orders you have been given the same as not supporting the cause you gave an oath to, or agreement you made to do so?

Far too vague to give a well reasoned and honest answer.

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Yes, can you enforce the law, but not agree with a law?

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Maybe it's a group you joined, a militia, a military for whatever reason, but as groups do, you have various personalities, and let say someone flying the same banner as you who has rank over you asks you to do something you feel is pointless or even counter productive.

They aren't breaking and rules per say themselves, but they want you to engage in activity you don't believe has shit to do with your over all end beliefs over all.

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Hahaha, fine, unbolded.

You dont have to agree with, or even like a law, but if you are sworn to uphold the law then you have a duty to do exactly that, uphold the law.

[Nerdgasm]

We do that all the time in the medical field. Although what you "can" disobey to is limited to common sense and you rank.

I personally don't believe in oaths. I mean just take medicine for instance, just go and read the Hippocratic Oath. That shit is just an useless tradition, no one is bound to that.