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  1. #41
    Why shouldn't companies be able to hire the most qualified person for the job, at the price they want to pay?
    Because companies will hire the cheapest for the job and wages will not increase. WHy do you care about the multicorporations wellfare rather then the wellfare of the working class.
    How can a politician call itself LABOR and care more about the wellbeing of multinationals then the people that give him votes?

    And this is unqualified work we are talking about.

    Now lets talk about qualified work.

    In romania it costs nothing to do med school. So doctors will go to places like germany to work for 2500$ a month in germany. Meanwhile german doctors wont work for less then 3000$ because they have bills to pay on loans, as their education costs alot more.

    Its bad for my country because we barely have any doctors left to staff the hospitals and its bad for germans because they can barely find jobs that will afford them to pay their loans.

    And the same goes for any other skilled business.

    How is this not only beneficial for the multinationals hiring people


    If Labor decided to take up the interests of imigrants and companies then who will listen to the actual voting people that are the working class in your nation?
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  2. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by satimy View Post
    So you don't have An actual rebuttal... k

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    I'll give you a hint, he doesn't support free markets at all.
    Can you point to where I don't?

    Feel free to cite an example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by veehro View Post
    Because companies will hire the cheapest for the job and wages will not increase. WHy do you care about the multicorporations wellfare rather then the wellfare of the working class.
    How can a politician call itself LABOR and care more about the wellbeing of multinationals then the people that give him votes?

    If Labor decided to take up the interests of imigrants and companies then who will listen to the actual voting people that are the working class in your nation?
    I care about freedom. I think an employer should be able to hire and fire whomever he wants, for any reason he wants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    This is literally just called "having a government". What a stupid point. Presumably you're enthusiastic about the government limiting the "freedom" of hobos to take up residence in your kitchen.

    My goal is to have a nation that's maximally livable for its residents. Free markets are a tool to work towards that goal, not something to fetishize in and of themselves. If a free market winds up leading to a lower quality of life, it's not a positive good. Your terminal value seems to be a maximally free market rathe than a maximally nice neighborhood.
    I don't need the government to stop hobos from coming into my kitchen. I can handle that just fine on my own.

    You can have a government, yet choose to not restrict actions that do not cause harm, or infringe on the freedoms of others.

    My goal is freedom and logical consistency. The most possible freedom is attained when the government only restricts actions that cause actual harm.

  3. #43
    I care about freedom. I think an employer should be able to hire and fire whomever he wants, for any reason he wants.

    if an employer wants to do business in state X it has to follow the law of state X

    The politicians should do the interests of the people electing him not the 1%.

    Thus you can limit immigration and only allow those skilled few that your country needs, you can do tax cuts for companies that hire people from your country etc.

    If you DON"T do this and you have fuck our worker mentality lets suck the corporate cock. Then you will have your own workers either rising up and demanding socialism and youll surely have stuff like brexit and trump voters who are now voting for anything OTHER then labor because that party simply doesnt represent them anymore

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    Quote Originally Posted by veehro View Post
    if an employer wants to do business in state X it has to follow the law of state X

    The politicians should do the interests of the people electing him not the 1%.

    Thus you can limit immigration and only allow those skilled few that your country needs, you can do tax cuts for companies that hire people from your country etc.

    If you DON"T do this and you have fuck our worker mentality lets suck the corporate cock. Then you will have your own workers either rising up and demanding socialism and youll surely have stuff like brexit and trump voters who are now voting for anything OTHER then labor because that party simply doesnt represent them anymore
    That sounds like a rather unnecessary restriction of freedom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    That sounds like a rather unnecessary restriction of freedom.
    *facepalm*

    If your definition of "Freedom" goes against what the voting tax paying citizen of your nation needs and you're ok with the LABOR party not care about the LABOR of their own voters then your "freedom" needs to get rid of and your politicians need to realize the harsh reality of your actions at the next ellections

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    I like the illegal guy that cuts my grass. 20 dollars and a 6 pack. Even let them fill up there water and stuff with the hose. Good people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by veehro View Post
    *facepalm*

    If your definition of "Freedom" goes against what the voting tax paying citizen of your nation needs and you're ok with the LABOR party not care about the LABOR of their own voters then your "freedom" needs to get rid of and your politicians need to realize the harsh reality of your actions at the next ellections
    I live in the United States, we do not have a labor party.

    My definition of the word "Freedom" comes from the dictionary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tennisace View Post
    Firstly, we should make use of the millions of undocumented immigrants. They're already here so we need to fast track the immigration system so they can be part of the labour force.

    Secondly, we need to roll back the recent changes proposed by the White House. We need to add to the labour force not reduce the numbers being taken in.
    What should the US do if a civil war would break out in China and/or India? Take in 100s of millions of refugees and immigrants? You would soon be outnumbered and if they are given voting right they would replace you all.

    Unrestricted mass immigration doesn't work and only increases suffering for everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BreakerOfWills View Post
    YKnow forcing companies to pay a livable wage effectively neuters the whole "they'll take peanuts" thing. But the party against immigration is also pro subsidizing corporations with your tax dollars.
    You do know we support the unemployed in this country, right? The DNC's plan really amounts to subsidizing their voter base with my tax dollars.

    I don't think a labor shortage is a bad thing in a state where welfare is guaranteed. It's only a bad thing if you're hiring. Everyone else wins.

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    I said it before and I'll say it again.

    How does Importing Poor people make the lives of poor people better?

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    JP Morgan doesn't want to improve the labor force. They want to flood it to keep wages down and keep the pleebs fighting amongst themselves for scraps.
    Human progress isn't measured by industry. It's measured by the value you place on a life.

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    JP Morgan also said the housing loan market would never crash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delana View Post
    You do know we support the unemployed in this country, right? The DNC's plan really amounts to subsidizing their voter base with my tax dollars.

    I don't think a labor shortage is a bad thing in a state where welfare is guaranteed. It's only a bad thing if you're hiring. Everyone else wins.
    Yeah, but you're supporting the unemployed AND the employed, megacorps get away with paying people so little they need foodstamps. IE you're subsidizing those corporations. Your tax bill doesnt end at the unemployed. Working poor make up a vast part of welfare expenditure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deruyter View Post
    Tennisace supports the big bankers? Ok
    Yes, bankers don't need to be the enemy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    Of course, she'd support terrorist organisations if it fits her agenda
    Um no I wouldn't.

    I just support JP Morgan on this one issue. Relax yourself bruv.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jettisawn View Post
    Didn't Trump and all his supporters praise making legal immigration more difficult?
    I think they did, maybe make it like Canada's immigration system, I hear that one is just awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tennisace View Post
    Um no I wouldn't.

    I just support JP Morgan on this one issue. Relax yourself bruv.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seranthor View Post
    You say they are already 'here'... No, they are already in the US. YOU in Canada are backpedaling on the whelp's "Regardless of who you are or where you come from, there’s always a place for you in Canada." promise.

    YOU have already determined you dont want to grow your economy and your labour force, because you are busy trying to stem the flow of immigrants legal and illegal into your country. So, why are you busy trying to manage another country, you cant even effectively manage your own.
    Our unemployment rate is still ridiculously low, there is not a labour shortage to the point where we need to be bringing in immigrants or even tolerating illegals by the boat load. The notion that we NEED more labour is a bunch of made up bullshit fabricated by a two faced liar that we call our PM, the banks and rich people trying to stuff their coffers a little fatter. Supply and demand force wage fluctuation, but having an endless stream of cheap labour keeps wages down for the rest of Canadians. Canadians wouldn't do a lot of jobs for minimum or near minimum wages (especially factory work), so the government gets pressured into bringing in a bunch of uneducated migrants so that businesses don't have to compete for wages at or near the bottom end of the skill ladder, and bringing in educated migrants means they aren't going to demand as much for wages in skilled positions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    black lives matter, antifa, brotherhood of islam.
    Well better then supporting white supremacist, white nationalist, and the Alt-Right nazi's.

    You know because protesting people you like hurts your feels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    black lives matter, antifa, brotherhood of islam.
    Black Lives Matter is an organization fighting for the rights of black people. I think black people deserve to be treated fairly. Don't you?

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