why crucible is stupid

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too hard to figure out if something is an upgrade without simming is stupid. This comes from "ilvl is king" Blizzard when they nerfed rings at the start of Legion

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people going with the "HNGNGH don't be such a tryhard" mongo rhetoric while they miss the main point that the crucible is just further proof that blizzard doesn't see/care how utterly broken gearing is and that adding more heaps of rng on top of it is only making it worse.

[kamuimac]

people going with the "HNGNGH don't be such a tryhard" mongo rhetoric while they miss the main point that the crucible is just further proof that blizzard doesn't see/care how utterly broken gearing is and that adding more heaps of rng on top of it is only making it worse.

a) they clealry dont see gearing as broken only as huge succes especially legendaries

b) rng is working for them - people keep runing the hamster wheel and dont unsub because there is always this chance of crazy titanforge.

you may no like the system but from shareholders point of view they are doin stellar job this expansion

[Floopa]

the worst shit about NLC is that checking the relics beforehand makes them soulbound

i could forgive the rng nature of t2 traits because that can be tweaked, and t3 traits typically will always give you 1 strong option, but the fact you can't check without the relic being soulbound is a completely tragic mistake.

[BiggestNoob]

a) they clealry dont see gearing as broken only as huge succes especially legendaries

b) rng is working for them - people keep runing the hamster wheel and dont unsub because there is always this chance of crazy titanforge.

you may no like the system but from shareholders point of view they are doin stellar job this expansion

There's no evidence of any of this, but plenty of evidence that people actually are quitting the game because of it.

[lonely zergling]

Also pretty annoying that you can disenchant a badly rolled relic and use item restore (every 15 days) to get a new chance to get better t2 / t3 traits.

This may lead to letting your high relics (bis relics) be in bag till you get good rolls with restore.

[Shakari]

There's no evidence of any of this, but plenty of evidence that people actually are quitting the game because of it.

where is this evidence then as Blizz don't release subscriber information any more ....

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Also pretty annoying that you can disenchant a badly rolled relic and use item restore (every 15 days) to get a new chance to get better t2 / t3 traits.

This may lead to letting your high relics (bis relics) be in bag till you get good rolls with restore.

And that is an abuse that needs stopping, it will only hurt the players in the long run ie item restore will be made limited or changed to stop the abuse.

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the worst shit about NLC is that checking the relics beforehand makes them soulbound

i could forgive the rng nature of t2 traits because that can be tweaked, and t3 traits typically will always give you 1 strong option, but the fact you can't check without the relic being soulbound is a completely tragic mistake.

Umm no its not, this is not a clothes store where you can try before you buy, its meant to be a "chance" of the perfect item not keep looking until you find it.

[Ebalina]

where is this evidence then as Blizz don't release subscriber information any more ....

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And that is an abuse that needs stopping, it will only hurt the players in the long run ie item restore will be made limited or changed to stop the abuse.

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Umm no its not, this is not a clothes store where you can try before you buy, its meant to be a "chance" of the perfect item not keep looking until you find it.

He means he cant trade it to other members if its useless to him.
You kinda miss the point. jesus.

[Dizzeeyooo]

Also pretty annoying that you can disenchant a badly rolled relic and use item restore (every 15 days) to get a new chance to get better t2 / t3 traits.

This may lead to letting your high relics (bis relics) be in bag till you get good rolls with restore.

does this only work with disenchanted + restored relics, and not vendored + restored relics?

[kamuimac]

There's no evidence of any of this, but plenty of evidence that people actually are quitting the game because of it.

you mean those 50 people here whining over and over in every thread ?ye devs care for sure

[lonely zergling]

does this only work with disenchanted + restored relics, and not vendored + restored relics?

Works with all. Should have worded better. Probably is bannable though wouldnt recommend doing this in purpose.

[Shakari]

He means he cant trade it to other members if its useless to him.
You kinda miss the point. jesus.

WTB civility ..... oh well can't expect manners.

No I'm not missing the point though what Jesus has to do with this conversation I have no idea...

Since when has ANY vendor bought loot been tradeable with ANYONE once purchased and opened....

silly expectation really.

[Revamp Man]

edit2: i miscalculated stuff :'D - values below are correct though. (for my character)

1 out of 3 points in a T2 trait grants you about 6 to 24k dps
so having the weakest t2 trait across all 3 relics will grant you 18k dps, and having the best will grant u 72k dps.

this is stupid.
we will have to re-evaluate our relics whenever we get a new one cause traits change.

it will be a pain in the ass for lootcouncil to evaluate things

the thing is that most casuals don't know what trait is the best so they won't even know if they got lucky with rng
and players who min-max will just be annoyed that blizzard added another rng element
so why add it in the first place?

I get that getting the right legendary feels good, I understand why blizzard did it. But this is dumb since most players don't know how to evaluate it.

edit:

since some1 asked, here's frost mage sims for 3/3 points into t2 and 3/3 into T1
https://gyazo.com/b775eec951f8bbd52d45fd69b1b680b7

Put this below your /simc copy pasta to sim it yourself.
(it shows how much dps you gain from 3/3 points in certain t2 crucible traits)

so what your saying is your so super unlucky you got the worst possible T2 choice in every relic???

becasue if not this doesnt matter

babylonius the monk recently posted a pic on twitter showing a BiS 820 relic with all #1 traits is equal to a 955 with no dps increase and people decided "hey this is a terrible thing and its awful and you guys need to change this" instead of figuring out "oh hey the worst possible outcome is a .8 ilvl difference

if you think this is a problem for loot councils.....tell your loot council to stop giving people shitty relics because idk who would say "hey i know this has a terrible trait for jimmy but maybe it will be a slight upgrade" other than a mental patient

is this system annoying as fuck all??? ABSOLUTELY however it is a customizable way to increase our power and its fine for 99% of us plus unless your hardcore cutting edge master of all top raider then that 54k means nothing when your pulling 1m.

[Aggrophobic]

Umm no its not, this is not a clothes store where you can try before you buy, its meant to be a "chance" of the perfect item not keep looking until you find it.

Yeah and that means that most relics you get will be sold or disenchanted even though they might have been a huge upgrade to others.
How is this good in any way?

[slime]

Works with all. Should have worded better. Probably is bannable though wouldnt recommend doing this in purpose.

Unless you did it a bunch of times, not sure how they can prove you are doing this to cheat the system, rather than just get back something you didn't mean to destroy/sell.

[Ebalina]

WTB civility ..... oh well can't expect manners.

No I'm not missing the point though what Jesus has to do with this conversation I have no idea...

Since when has ANY vendor bought loot been tradeable with ANYONE once purchased and opened....

silly expectation really.

Are you mentally handicapped?
We are talking about relics from raids and dungeons.
Not relics you buy with what ever the current currency for relinquished items is..........

Again jesus ........./facepalm

[Allenseiei]

Many testers already told Blizzard why this was not a good idea.

Blizzard disagreed with our concerns and went along with it, with most arguments still against it. It won't do anything saying anything in these forums since it won't change anything.

Tbh, most of my player community is tired of the heavy RNG based game mechanics this expansion has brought, and what we thought it was a great expansion is turning to a meh expansion because of it.

[Deleted]

Also pretty annoying that you can disenchant a badly rolled relic and use item restore (every 15 days) to get a new chance to get better t2 / t3 traits.

This may lead to letting your high relics (bis relics) be in bag till you get good rolls with restore.

just tried it 5 minutes ago, seems fixed, all 3 restored relics had absolute same paths.

[Shakari]

Yeah and that means that most relics you get will be sold or disenchanted even though they might have been a huge upgrade to others.
How is this good in any way?

It means that its not a instance final reward, which in its own way is good, because if you got the perfect item 1st time then you'd be complaining that there nothing else to obtain or do.

Its a balance, and because only 0.01% of player are realistically bothered about "having to have" the best item instantly its really a moot point.

What your after is an instant quick and easy reward, well it isn't one.

The alternative .... would be to make it a rare drop and have you keep killing that one mob for a very small chance of it to drop.

Least this way you get a usable item out of it while not "perfect" is still usable and likely a small upgrade.

And the "maybe a huge upgrade for others" is a non arguement your using to prop up your point of view. WoW has never since launch catered for anyone but the individual player when it comes to loot from vendors. The ONE exception is personal loot in the last 2 expansions and then ONLY if its not an upgrade for a player in any way but that is not vendor loot.
With vendor loot .... not a chance, its either good or not, you can't and won't be able to give it to others once opened, its a personal reward not a raid or group reward.

[Aggrophobic]

It means that its not a instance final reward, which in its own way is good, because if you got the perfect item 1st time then you'd be complaining that there nothing else to obtain or do.

Its a balance, and because only 0.01% of player are realistically bothered about "having to have" the best item instantly its really a moot point.

What your after is an instant quick and easy reward, well it isn't one.

The alternative .... would be to make it a rare drop and have you keep killing that one mob for a very small chance of it to drop.

Least this way you get a usable item out of it while not "perfect" is still usable and likely a small upgrade.

And the "maybe a huge upgrade for others" is a non arguement your using to prop up your point of view. WoW has never since launch catered for anyone but the individual player when it comes to loot from vendors. The ONE exception is personal loot in the last 2 expansions and then ONLY if its not an upgrade for a player in any way but that is not vendor loot.
With vendor loot .... not a chance, its either good or not, you can't and won't be able to give it to others once opened, its a personal reward not a raid or group reward.

No, I'm after being rewarded for doing challenging conetnt, not playing an online casino.
The idea behind this slot machine is bad and it's not fun.

No way around that.