Wrathion is kind of a failure, isn't he?

[JustRob]

Since MoP, this guy has been preaching about the Legion's inevitable return... His modus operandi was "Strengthen Azeroth as much as possible before that happens, no matter the cost". But instead of doing that, he actually caused the Legion to invade Azeroth quicker than planned.

He wanted to use the Iron Horde as an army against the Legion, but instead, we had to fight and lose lives against the Iron Horde, lives that could have helped us fight the Legion. Instead, Gul'dan found his way to Azeroth and immediately jumpstarted the Legion's invasion. All thanks to our pal Wrathion. The guy didn't believe for a second that the quarreling Alliance and Horde would be able to stop the Legion. Yet here we are, Gul'dan dead, Kil'jaeden dead, and about to march on Sargeras himself... I'd say we've been pretty succesful, no thanks to him. And now that the Legion is finally here, the guy is nowhere to be seen... He's off taking roadtrips to Northrend, because, why the fuck not?

What was the point of this character again? Everything he's ever done has been either completely pointless or endangered Azeroth even more. Yay purified black dragon.

[Shelly]

Alternatively, he sent us into alt-Draenor which allowed us to gain battlefield experience and culled away the weak so that we are even more ready to face the Legion than before.

[Bathory]

I wouldn't call him a failure, I'd just say he failed at his goal. He's effective on the smaller scale, but this grand scheme was beyond him. He assumed too much, he didn't think everything through, and he thought he was smarter than he was. I HOPE it's too early to put a verdict out, since I'm assuming Wrathion will be explained in the future. He's one character I'd actually like a book for. So many loose ends atm.

[Deleted]

Alternatively, he sent us into alt-Draenor which allowed us to gain battlefield experience and culled away the weak so that we are even more ready to face the Legion than before.

So Vindicator Maraad is weak?

[Zephire]

Since MoP, this guy has been preaching about the Legion's inevitable return... His modus operandi was "Strengthen Azeroth as much as possible before that happens, no matter the cost". But instead of doing that, he actually caused the Legion to invade Azeroth quicker than planned.

He wanted to use the Iron Horde as an army against the Legion, but instead, we had to fight and lose lives against the Iron Horde, lives that could have helped us fight the Legion. Instead, Gul'dan found his way to Azeroth and immediately jumpstarted the Legion's invasion. All thanks to our pal Wrathion. The guy didn't believe for a second that the quarreling Alliance and Horde would be able to stop the Legion. Yet here we are, Gul'dan dead, Kil'jaeden dead, and about to march on Sargeras himself... I'd say we've been pretty succesful, no thanks to him. And now that the Legion is finally here, the guy is nowhere to be seen... He's off taking roadtrips to Northrend, because, why the fuck not?

What was the point of this character again? Everything he's ever done has been either completely pointless or endangered Azeroth even more. Yay purified black dragon.

Well, not all characters has to be successful. Despite failed plans, we, Azeroth's finest champions, prevailed. We salvaged the situation. We fought back. We succeeded. Wrathion did not. Gul'dan did not. Kil'jaeden did not. That Naru I can't remember the name of who wanted to do something with Illidan, did not.

Things fail for others to be a success. Is that so bad? Must everything be so important?

[Xkiller9000]

What was the point of this character again? Everything he's ever done has been either completely pointless or endangered Azeroth even more. Yay purified black dragon.

To hint at an upcoming legion expansion....and give us our cloak.

Which he did both, so, his purpose was fulfilled lul

[yetgdhfgh]

He has failed as a character specially with all that build up in MoP and then a slight cameo in WoD then nothing in Legion when his goal was to defeat the Legion.

I guess he was just a child and had a childs mind and thought he was way more important in the grand scheme of things than he actually was.

Yeah he did kinda luck out in that him breaking Garrosh out of prison DID lead to the eventual defeat of the Legion but thats only cause the plan went wrong when Garrosh rebelled.

There was no way Wrathion had all this figured out cause if blizz says that then Iam sorry they will have offically lost the plot imo!

[Shelly]

So Vindicator Maraad is weak?

Nah, he just didn't realize how best to use his cooldowns. He should have bubbled one, hand of sacrificed another, then bubbled himself.

Or you could say that he attained his redemption for his actions in the evacuation of Shat and through his sacrifice empowered the champions of Azeroth.

[Corruptus]

Then again, in case of Garrosh being successful and defeating armies of Azeroth, wouldn't the victorious Iron Horde be hypothetically even more qualified to fight againts the Legion?

[Deleted]

Wrathion is working for the olds gods and planned it all since mists, you will see in the next expension.
He wanted us to destroy the legion so the old gods can return.

[Lartok]

They could make his character a resounding success if his actual plan was to bring back an Old God/s and everything he's done so far, as you've described, was to distract/weaken the denizens of Azeroth for that.

We would still win against the Old God/s because people instinctively dislike stories where 'bad guys' win but Wrathion would've pulled off a pretty masterful secret plan.

[JustRob]

Then again, in case of Garrosh being successful and defeating armies of Azeroth, wouldn't the victorious Iron Horde be hypothetically even more qualified to fight againts the Legion?

Sure, but that didn't happen. Thus his plan (like always) failed.

[dv4]

Don't like the guy

[Deleted]

He knew about the legion when no one was even THINKING about it.
He helped garrosh escape so the legion can return and the heroes defeat it so the old gods and the void can conquer azeroth and the universe.

[Calfredd]

Oh god a JustRob thread that has merit?

[nothingsjim]

Only if you actually believe what he said.

"The boy king serves at the master's table. Three lies will he offer you."

Many people believe the whisper of Il'gynoth is referring to Wrathion. Afterall, he is the Black Prince, and we have no idea if he still has a little bit of Old God juice inside him.

If you treat him as a servant of Void. He has managed to:

1. Destabilized the Mogu, the foot soldier of the Titanforged, by having us kill Lei Shen
2. Revive Y'Shaarj, at least temporarily.
3. End the Burning Legion, the greatest threat to the plan of Void.

We did see him at the deaths of Chromie. So fingers crossed he will have a more active role next expansion.

[Lochton]

Since MoP, this guy has been preaching about the Legion's inevitable return... His modus operandi was "Strengthen Azeroth as much as possible before that happens, no matter the cost". But instead of doing that, he actually caused the Legion to invade Azeroth quicker than planned.

He wanted to use the Iron Horde as an army against the Legion, but instead, we had to fight and lose lives against the Iron Horde, lives that could have helped us fight the Legion. Instead, Gul'dan found his way to Azeroth and immediately jumpstarted the Legion's invasion. All thanks to our pal Wrathion. The guy didn't believe for a second that the quarreling Alliance and Horde would be able to stop the Legion. Yet here we are, Gul'dan dead, Kil'jaeden dead, and about to march on Sargeras himself... I'd say we've been pretty succesful, no thanks to him. And now that the Legion is finally here, the guy is nowhere to be seen... He's off taking roadtrips to Northrend, because, why the fuck not?

What was the point of this character again? Everything he's ever done has been either completely pointless or endangered Azeroth even more. Yay purified black dragon.

Well, the failure is at our hand too. Wrathion's first hope was to unite under Garrosh, that was a fail. Then Varian had the chance, that was a fail. Wrathion's belief is that we cannot survive without some sort of uniting according to his vision. His vision DOES collide with Velen's but they have Anduin in common.

[Arganis]

Where is that idiot now anyway? So much talk about his life-purpose being about opposing the Legion and he's not even around at all during the entire xpac that revolves around defeating the fucking Legion.

I'm pretty sure the only purpose he has left in the story now is to get gay with Anduin at some point.

[cparle87]

Alternatively, he sent us into alt-Draenor which allowed us to gain battlefield experience and culled away the weak so that we are even more ready to face the Legion than before.

There's also the fact that we were able to kill Archimonde. Legion lost its top field commander before they ever had a chance to invade. And on second thought it's possible that making the Legion attack as soon as possible was his plan. The Legion are pretty much biologically immortal. They can sit and wait until Khadgar, all the faction leaders, etc are all dead and buried. Remember after the Avatar fight? They'll come again and again until there's not enough left standing to fight them. Maybe he thought we were as prepared as we were ever going to be and enticed the Legion to invade now rather than later.

[JustRob]

Well, the failure is at our hand too. Wrathion's first hope was to unite under Garrosh, that was a fail. Then Varian had the chance, that was a fail. Wrathion's belief is that we cannot survive without some sort of uniting according to his vision. His vision DOES collide with Velen's but they have Anduin in common.

But his belief is wrong. The Alliance and the Horde CAN co-operate in times of need, no matter how much they hate each other. I don't know why Wrathion, for all his wisdom, was never able to see this. Hell, they co-operated during the Siege of Orgrimmar to take down Garrosh, right in front of Wrathion's eyes. And yet he suggested Varian betray that armistice and try to slaughter the rest of the Horde.