Knowingly exposing others to HIV will no longer be a felony in California

[Spectral]

Brown declined to comment on his action.

This really says it all, doesn't it?

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The felony that was removed was for -->knowingly<-- infecting someone or -->knowingly<-- donating infected blood.

Your argument for why this will result in more infected donations is that there's a period after infection during which it can't be detected. If it can't be detected, then these people don't know they have HIV. This change in law doesn't affect these people at all.

Which was pointed out to you twice, and you ignored it.

Sigh: No more felony for knowingly infecting someone leads to more people being infected and being unknowingly infected.
It may not change much in terms how unknowingly affected are penalized, but there will be MORE unknowingly infected because of this because the felony for knowingly infecting was removed.

Is it so fucking hard to grasp?

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You know someone's argument is stretched thin when they've resorted to playing stupid about spelling.

He quoted it in marks to be extra smartass. He deserves the whip.

[Felya]

What the fuck is "encubating"? Also how do you explain infections from donations despite screening?
I think you're overwhelmed.

I don't see you linking any? How about you link them and I'll explain. Not overwhelming, pissed off at morons who will cost people lives.

Before you start, my gf writes SOPs for a blood center and her grandfather died of aids due to a blood transfusion in the 80s. Regan is no longer president, update your bullshit.

[Draco-Onis]

There's no excuse for this, but the left will conjure one, as seen here and elsewhere. California is stuffed full of illegals and leftist weirdos so there is and will not be enough political will to drag Brown and his fellow reprobates out of office.

Are you calling the 30+% of people who voted for Trump in California leftist weirdos? also a lot of us disagree with this stop getting your news from Alex Jones.

[Felya]

There's no excuse for this, but the left will conjure one, as seen here and elsewhere. California is stuffed full of illegals and leftist weirdos so there is and will not be enough political will to drag Brown and his fellow reprobates out of office.

I see two people discouraging blood donation in this thread and you bitch about imaginary lefties? Nice!!

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I don't see you linking any? How about you link them and I'll explain. Not overwhelming, pissed off at morons who will cost people lives.

Before you start, my gf writes SOPs for a blood center and her grandfather died of aids due to a blood transfusion in the 80s. Regan is no longer president, update your bullshit.

I too am fucking pissed, namely at morons who support removing the felony for knowingly infecting someone.

[Incredibale]

Are you calling the 30+% of people who voted for Trump in California leftist weirdos?

No, are you?

also a lot of us disagree with this stop getting your news from Alex Jones.

And many more of you don't, and I know this because I browse leftist forums and accounts on social media as much or more than people from my side of the political spectrum.

[Felya]

I too am fucking pissed, namely at morons who support removing the felony for knowingly infecting someone.

Oh really? So you lie, in order to stop people from donating blood, because something completely unrelated is happening? Seriously, what is wrong with you? Fine, I'll post a few links:

http://www.abcactionnews.com/weather...o-help-victims
http://www.wftv.com/weather/eye-on-t...ida-/606670990
http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article169854627.html
http://www.thenewsstar.com/story/new...xas/618727001/
http://fox2now.com/2017/09/10/how-to...e-irma-relief/
http://whnt.com/2017/08/30/helping-h...telets-plasma/
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/c...tims/469004405
http://www.wptv.com/news/region-n-pa...hurricane-irma
https://www.ems1.com/donations/artic...urricane-Irma/

The Shelf Life of Donor Blood

For decades, the Food and Drug Administration has limited storage of refrigerated red blood cells to 42 days. But it has been clear for some time that stored blood degrades in various ways long before that six-week limit, and some research suggests that the changes may be harmful to patients who receive older blood.

https://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/...f-donor-blood/

https://www.cdc.gov/bloodsafety/basics.html

The blood people thankfully and very selflessly donated for the hurricanes will expire soon. While you are inventing bullshit to discourage donations. What is wrong with you?

[Incredibale]

I see two people discouraging blood donation in this thread and you bitch about imaginary lefties? Nice!!

I browse more sites than this one, chuck. Stop being stupid.

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Fuck off, 'the left' isn't some agglomerated hive mind. I know it's hard for you to see past the 'us vs them' mentality, but some of us judge ideas on the basis of their value, and not which side they came from.

Poor guy.

[Cthulhu 2020]

I too am fucking pissed, namely at morons who support removing the felony for knowingly infecting someone.

It seems most of us agree that this is at least partially a dumb idea, but...

All you've done so far is provide examples of how people unknowingly infect someone and suddenly think the rate of people who don't know they have HIV giving blood donations is going to go up. So really, the only resistance you're meeting in this thread is for your own ridiculous ideas of the non-existent consequences.


While the article didn't state their intentions, I can see a couple of up sides to this, misdemeanors can still carry hefty fines with them as deterrents. You can still end up paying the state several thousand dollars in fines, and pay the person you infected tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars over the rest of their life for treatment. Don't forget, when it comes to knowingly giving someone HIV, they can sue you for damages, but they can't collect if you're making $0 in prison, and that person's medical bills become a matter for the taxpayers to handle.

After all, someone can face both criminal AND civil court battles for the same action if it brought harm to someone else.

The other one is, lots of rape and sex in prisons, and many of the prisoners don't give a shit about STDs. Throwing HIV infected people in with criminals, who get infected, then get released only further spreads the disease. See where I'm going with this?

Perhaps people should think of the LONG TERM consequences rather than their own short term quest for vengeance to be visited upon someone. Someone knowingly infected you with HIV, and now they're in prison. Great. You've gotten your revenge. Now, who's paying your medical bills again?

Right wing "Justice" doesn't ever seem to be justice at all. Just vengeance and revenge masquerading as justice. Half the time their draconian punishments barely act as a deterrent at all for said crime, and a lot of the time it just makes the problem WORSE. Besides, even if you're a righty who freely admits that you don't care about justice, only vengeance, isn't it better knowing that most of that guy's pay check will be going to you, and he'll be a wage slave for the rest of his life, rather than him getting a free ride through prison and you being left out in the cold to pay for much of your own disease treatment?

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Oh really? So you lie, in order to stop people from donating blood, because something completely unrelated is happening? Seriously, what is wrong with you? Fine, I'll post a few links:

http://www.abcactionnews.com/weather...o-help-victims
http://www.wftv.com/weather/eye-on-t...ida-/606670990
http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article169854627.html
http://www.thenewsstar.com/story/new...xas/618727001/
http://fox2now.com/2017/09/10/how-to...e-irma-relief/
http://whnt.com/2017/08/30/helping-h...telets-plasma/
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/c...tims/469004405
http://www.wptv.com/news/region-n-pa...hurricane-irma
https://www.ems1.com/donations/artic...urricane-Irma/

The Shelf Life of Donor Blood



https://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/...f-donor-blood/

The blood people thankfully and very selflessly donated for the hurricanes will expire soon. While you are inventing bullshit to discourage donations. What is wrong with you?

Uhm, discouraging donations from people who engage in high risk sexual behaviour (the main transmitter of hiv in the west) is a bad thing now?
Your struggling emotional argument is pathetic.

[Felya]

I browse more sites than this one, chuck. Stop being stupid.

My bad, I didn't think that other sites can read what you post here. I don't even know of such a skill or application... good call on the stupid. :|

[Cthulhu 2020]

Uhm, discouraging donations from people who engage in high risk sexual behaviour (the main transmitter of hiv in the west) is a bad thing now?
Your struggling emotional argument is pathetic.

The projection is strong in this one. He's brought nothing but facts (sourced at that) to the discussion, meanwhile you continue hysterics ranting about people who don't know they have HIV giving blood that's going to be tested for HIV anyway. So your emotional hysterics aren't even on topic with this tread.

[Felya]

Uhm, discouraging donations from people who engage in high risk sexual behaviour (the main transmitter of hiv in the west) is a bad thing now?
Your struggling emotional argument is pathetic.

People who recognize they partake in high risk sexual behavior, even if they believe the bullshit you post, would have to lie during the screening proces. There are several questions that go as far as asking how many sexual partners you have had.

I don't think you understand what an emotional argument is. I am stating facts about blood donation, while you keep posting nonsense that is actively covered by CDC guidelines. What I am saying is on the CDC website, what you are saying has no merit and you just claimed to be too emotional to provide any evidence.

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The projection is strong in this one. He's brought nothing but facts (sourced at that) to the discussion, meanwhile you continue hysterics ranting about people who don't know they have HIV giving blood that's going to be tested for HIV anyway. So your emotional hysterics aren't even on topic with this tread.

The test ran for HIV:

HIV-1 and HIV-2 antibody (anti-HIV-1 and anti-HIV-2) detection
Nucleic acid amplification testing (NAT) for HIV-1

https://www.cdc.gov/bloodsafety/basics.html

AABB DHQ:
http://www.aabb.org/tm/questionnaire...s/dhqaabb.aspx

[Deleted]

The projection is strong in this one. He's brought nothing but facts (sourced at that) to the discussion, meanwhile you continue hysterics ranting about people who don't know they have HIV giving blood that's going to be tested for HIV anyway. So your emotional hysterics aren't even on topic with this tread.

His sources are offtopic since no one is disuputing the usefulness of blood donations. If he posted an article about the anatomy of ducks you would also pat him for citing sources? lol

1) You are ignoring half the discussion here about incubation rate. Congratulations.
2) My main argument is that removing the felony causes more people to knowingly infect others, thus this law increases the amount of hiv infections.

You guys seem to ignore that part and brainlessly go for "this changes nothing for those who unknowingly infect". Who fucking cares because the point is that there will be more who will be infected as a result of this.

You also seem to live in fantasy land where the rates dont go up when the biggest deterrent is removed.

Don't waste my fucking time.

[Sky High]

uuugh, why, this makes no god damned sense.

[Lenonis]

Golly gee...all the usual suspects who post about how horrible gay people are decide to visit this thread and make all sorts of erroneous and false claims about this law, the impact of it, and what happens with blood donations.

If you hate the gays you don't really have much credibility to comment on something like this.

[Deleted]

People who recognize they partake in high risk sexual behavior, even if they believe the bullshit you post, would have to lie during the screening proces. There are several questions that go as far as asking how many sexual partners you have had.

I don't think you understand what an emotional argument is. I am stating facts about blood donation, while you keep posting nonsense that is actively covered by CDC guidelines. What I am saying is on the CDC website, what you are saying has no merit and you just claimed to be too emotional to provide any evidence.

You are right. My argument is invalid because people never lie.

[Cthulhu 2020]

You also seem to live in fantasy land where the rates dont go up when the biggest deterrent is removed.

>> When people think that a few years in prison is a big deterrent.

lol

As I pointed out above, both the state and the victim can bring cases against you. I'm not sure about you, but working my ass off for the rest of my life with no money for myself to pay for someone else's medical bills would be torturous. Knowingly infecting someone with HIV pretty much doesn't even apply to blood donations at all, either.

1) You are ignoring half the discussion here about incubation rate. Congratulations.

It's an easy argument to ignore because someone giving blood unknowingly infected with HIV is not affected by this law. What part of that sentence do you not understand? The word "knowingly" and "unknowingly"? Is English not your first language and you're posting through an online translation service? In law, INTENT matters.

Knowingly infecting someone with HIV is either for some kind of revenge/vengeance, or negligence, and this law will apply to cases pertaining to sexual conduct and needle swapping for drugs pretty much exclusively whether it's a felony or a misdemeanor.

[Felya]

His sources are offtopic since no one is disuputing the usefulness of blood donations. If he posted an article about the anatomy of ducks you would also pat him for citing sources? lol

Read the OP...

Welp, blood donation in California and getting blood from California may have just became a bit more hazardous.

The sources I listed are CDC testing guidelines and AABB screening guidelines. I also linked post hurricane local news asking for blood donation, followed by an article from NY Times that goes over why blood expires and how long it takes.

All you are doing, is pretending that Reagan is still president and no one is doing shit to screen for aids in blood. It's been 20 years, we blood donation has over come Reagan's deftness to the AIDS crisis.

1) You are ignoring half the discussion here about incubation rate. Congratulations.
2) My main argument is that removing the felony causes more people to knowingly infect others, thus this law increases the amount of hiv infections.

1) Covered as not true in both the CDC and the AABB links I provided.
2) this not an issue, because blood centers are not just set up to stop those who know they have the virus, as well as those that don't. This changes nothing in what blood donation is, because they were screening for those that don't even know. Not the few psychos, but normal people who wouldn't want to harm anyone, if only they knew.

You guys seem to ignore that part and brainlessly go for "this changes nothing for those who unknowingly infect". Who fucking cares because the point is that there will be more who will be infected as a result of this.

Because it's an idiotic point. You are suggesting that someone who is crazy enough to do this, will now change his mind because the penalty is lower. You are completely misrepresenting reality and are talking about blood donation as a way they would do this.

You know what the craziest story I heard? A guy tried to donate 3 times after 9/11... the fucker went to 3 different centers, when the line to donate was hours long... just to get differed for a year, when he got back to the original. If he actually passed the screenings, as good willed as it was, the fucker would probably be dead. Not aids monkeys trying to donate, but people seeing a tragedy and risking their own well being to help others. But, here you are... saying that a law change on severity, will change that? Nope...

You also seem to live in fantasy land where the rates dont go up when the biggest deterrent is removed.

How about you show anything to disprove his fantasy? How about showing the difference in places where it is a felony vs where it is not?

Don't waste my fucking time.

Don't you think paying this time tithe to god of Kek, already a waste of time?

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You are right. My argument is invalid because people never lie.

No, your argument is invalid because you also ignore testing. Your argument is invalid, because you don't actually have one. You assume shit, then you post it. I gave you CDC website and AABB, feel free to find anything that supports your claim.

Edit: Also, my funniest moment donating blood was eating a Tostitos Pizza right before and then seeing the disgusting look on the phlebotomist' face as she took off my bag from the scale, which was an off white, almost orange, sac I just produced. I got shit for that for at least a year... have not eaten one since...