Knowingly exposing others to HIV will no longer be a felony in California

[unfilteredJW]

It's clear that we still do have a long way to go with HIV education. Obviously no one WANTS to get positive, but it isn't the death sentence it used to be, and the drugs aren't nearly as harsh as they were back in the day. Some people do need a boogyman, though, and I suppose HIV can serve that purpose for them.

I mean, even Southpark showed how far treatment has come.

Fucking Southpark is more informed than these yahoos.

[Edge-]

I mean, even Southpark showed how far treatment has come.

Fucking Southpark is more informed than these yahoos.

Trey Parker and Matt Stone are more informed than a lot of people on all sides. That's actually setting a pretty high bar for your average person : P

[solinari6]

I don't know, but do you, and others, think that because it was dropped from a felony to a misdemeanor that there will be some epidemic of intentional infections?

Why?

I think another good question would be, Assuming you live in California, would this law change the way you have sex? Were you trusting people when they told you they were negative, and having unprotected sex before? But now, you are annoyed you have to always wrap it up, because there will be sneaky positive people lying to you?

[unfilteredJW]

Trey Parker and Matt Stone are more informed than a lot of people on all sides. That's actually setting a pretty high bar for your average person : P

Just like to make the point that cartoons are less of a cartoon than these folks.

Even funnier when you realize that episode was in 2008. I'm sure medical science has been at a standstill since.

But think of the children, am I right?

[solinari6]

I think another good question would be, Assuming you live in California, would this law change the way you have sex? Were you trusting people when they told you they were negative, and having unprotected sex before? But now, you are annoyed you have to always wrap it up, because there will be sneaky positive people lying to you?

Ugh, I'm replying to my self, but can ANYONE who is freaking out about this law explain to me how this would change your sex life, with regards to who you have sex with and whether or not you use a condom?

[Masark]

1) Can't have children without passing on the disease or risking it, which is an atrocious thing to risk.

With current treatments, that risk is essentially nil.

[Jutath]

If you have knowledge of any STD and pass it on without telling your partner, you're a piece of shit and deserve a good prison sentence.

This is my same thought on the matter.

[Deleted]

Studies have shown HIV positive people's life span approaching that of HIV negative people, and in a number of cases, surpassing it (due to positive people taking a more proactive stance on their health)

Yeah, especially their proactive stance in getting infected in the first place by taking it raw in the pooper or doing drugs...

[Mormolyce]

Yeah, especially their proactive stance in getting infected in the first place by taking it raw in the pooper or doing drugs...

Or heterosexual women who choose to have sex with men. If they went lesbian their infection rate would be practically zero.

If you think about it the chances of getting HIV go:

Gay men
Hetero men & women
Gay women

Or to put it another way,

Two men
One man
No men

So really, it's not so much a "gay disease" as a "male disease".

P.S. Less than 10% of new HIV diagnoses are due to intravenous drug use.

https://www.hiv.gov/hiv-basics/overv...nds/statistics

[Anevers]

So the only thing that was keeping the blood supply safe is the potential for someone to maybe get caught and charged with a felony? That was it?

[Mormolyce]

So the only thing that was keeping the blood supply safe is the potential for someone to maybe get caught and charged with a felony? That was it?

Apparently the burden of proof for a felony is higher, so this legal change is intended to make prosecution easier.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Hi, I'm on a regime of pills for another issue right now (non life-threatening, non-contagious). I'm not some crippled, demonic monster and my life isn't over. I know folks with HIV that do have families, sometimes with adopted kids, and life their lives just like all the rest of the regular folk too. You'd never know if they didn't tell you, and they're not even walking around hooked up to a dialysis machine!

So are we still treating people infected with HIV as if they're lepers like we did in the 70's/80's/90's, driven largely by a fear of the unknown that's often self-imposed?

It IS Theo, one of the most uninformed history majors on the planet. So yeah, I imagine she believes HIV infected people are lepers, as demonstrated on previous pages.

But really though, it's good to see that people have dropped the hysterics about blood donations suddenly being flooded with HIV infected blood. That shit was nonsense.

Now if only we can convince the mongoloids that being charged with a misdemeanor and being slapped with a civil lawsuit (i.e. getting your pants sued off) is not "nothing" when it comes to crime and punishment.

[Mafic]

The new gender denial punishments carry longer sentences than willfully murdering people via disease transmission. I would say this about sums up California in a nut shell.

It is cosmic karma or it seems.

Magic Johnson came forward with his earth shattering news conference to spread awareness about HIV/AIDs. Now it seems California is hell bent on sweeping it under and pretending it isn't an issue. Quite sad.

In before I am accused of "virtue signaling"

And let me state what Magic Johnson did at the time was very brave, because he was at the top of his career. It ended his career and it showed that HIV/AIDS was a big issue for heterosexual men as well not just the gay community. The day he gave that news conference the public perception of HIV/AIDS changed the course of history.

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It IS Theo, one of the most uninformed history majors on the planet. So yeah, I imagine she believes HIV infected people are lepers, as demonstrated on previous pages.

But really though, it's good to see that people have dropped the hysterics about blood donations suddenly being flooded with HIV infected blood. That shit was nonsense.

Now if only we can convince the mongoloids that being charged with a misdemeanor and being slapped with a civil lawsuit (i.e. getting your pants sued off) is not "nothing" when it comes to crime and punishment.

This isn't true.

Magic Johnson proved many years ago that HIV isn't something that guarantees death. However, the idea that it is a non issue is laughable. Your life fundamentally changes despite the advances the last 20 years.

That is like saying to a person that takes crestor that their "life doesn't change".

I call B.S.

It is a challenge every day for anyone with HIV/AIDS.

[Milchshake]

So are we still treating people infected with HIV as if they're lepers like we did in the 70's/80's/90's, driven largely by a fear of the unknown that's often self-imposed?

Kinda, conservatives on the internet are just using AIDS/HIV to score cheap political points in the Culture War, like conservatives did in the 80's. They get to PWN! a liberal state, with a liberal governor. While losing no sleep while they trample over the rights and feelings of people that actually live with the disease.

A Google search of "California HIV Law" has a weird set of top 10 returns:

1)Knowingly exposing others to HIV will no longer be a felony in California
http://www.latimes.com/politics/esse...htmlstory.html

2)California lowers penalty for knowingly exposing partners to HIV
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/07/health...ned/index.html

3)California To Have Harsher Penalty For Pronoun Violations Than For Knowingly Spreading HIV
http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/09/ca...spreading-hiv/

4)Knowingly infecting others with HIV is no longer a felony in California. Advocates say the law targeted sex workers.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.e19d28adcc55

5)Penalty for consciously exposing partners to HIV lowered in California
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.3551389

6)Great News. California Makes It Almost Legal To Knowingly Give Others HIV/AIDS
https://www.redstate.com/streiff/201...thers-hivaids/

7)Report: Knowingly exposing others to HIV will no longer be a felony in California
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2017/1...alifornia.html

8)California reduces penalty for knowingly exposing someone to HIV
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/califor...omeone-to-hiv/

9)Intentionally Infecting Others with HIV No Longer a Felony in California
http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...in-california/

10)Governor Brown Signs Bill Updating California’s HIV Laws
https://www.hrc.org/blog/governor-je...rnias-hiv-laws

5 of the top 10 returns are conservative news sites that typically dont cover lgbt issues in depth. Que the outrage feedback loop.
**also telling is the term "donated blood" came up zero times in the articles. So someone is using conflict framing to bash HIV sufferers.

SACRAMENTO – Today, Governor Jerry Brown signed into law landmark legislation to reform outdated laws that unfairly criminalized and stigmatized people living with HIV. Senate Bill (SB) 239 was authored by Sen. Scott Wiener (D-San Francisco) and Asm. Todd Gloria (D-San Diego) and cosponsored by Equality California, the ACLU of California, APLA Health, Black AIDS Institute, Lambda Legal and Positive Women’s Network – USA. The organizations are part of Californians for HIV Criminalization Reform (CHCR), a broad coalition of people living with HIV, HIV and health service providers, civil rights organizations and public health professionals dedicated to ending the criminalization of people living with HIV in California.

“California’s outdated and draconian HIV criminal laws have disproportionately harmed people of color and transgender women,” said Melissa Goodman, LGBTQ, Gender and Reproductive Justice Project Director with the ACLU of Southern California. “With the enactment of this law, our laws will now become more fair, less discriminatory, and will promote treatment and prevention rather than criminalization.”

In addition to the organizations sponsoring the bill, SB 239 was supported by CHCR members including the Los Angeles LGBT Center, the Los Angeles HIV Law and Policy Project, the Transgender Law Center, Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund (MALDEF), the Free Speech Coalition and the Sex Workers Outreach Project (SWOP).

[Vyuvarax]

Are you infected with a disease that can be avoided or is it a genetic condition or something out of hand.

Tell me, would you infect say a child with HIV? I mean, apparently its just a wonderful life according to some posters here. Would you be okay with a son, daughter, neice, nephew being intentionally infected? Lets say some syringe wielding person decided that, how you feel about that?

The amount of this thread you choose to ignore to maintain your bias is fucking nuts. When you refuse to acknowledge or refute rebuttals, your faux intellectualism is obvious to everyone.

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It is cosmic karma or it seems.

Magic Johnson came forward with his earth shattering news conference to spread awareness about HIV/AIDs. Now it seems California is hell bent on sweeping it under and pretending it isn't an issue. Quite sad.

In before I am accused of "virtue signaling"

And let me state what Magic Johnson did at the time was very brave, because he was at the top of his career. It ended his career and it showed that HIV/AIDS was a big issue for heterosexual men as well not just the gay community. The day he gave that news conference the public perception of HIV/AIDS changed the course of history.

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This isn't true.

Magic Johnson proved many years ago that HIV isn't something that guarantees death. However, the idea that it is a non issue is laughable. Your life fundamentally changes despite the advances the last 20 years.

That is like saying to a person that takes crestor that their "life doesn't change".

I call B.S.

It is a challenge every day for anyone with HIV/AIDS.

None of your rambling refutes anything said of why this shouldn't be a felony, or even attempts to make a distinction between HIV and other STDs for why HIV should remain a felony and knowingly passing along other sometimes fatal STDs isn't.

P.S. Your butthurt over being called on virtue signaling is nuts, especially when you don't refute that you did it lol.

[solinari6]

It is a challenge every day for anyone with HIV/AIDS.

You should probably go out and actually talk to some real people who are HIV positive. Because this just plain isn't true.

[Karfal]

There's an amazing book called "liberalism is a mental disorder. Check it out. That's literally all you need to read to understand left wing radicals and what they're doing to this country.

[Vyuvarax]

There's an amazing book called "liberalism is a mental disorder. Check it out. That's literally all you need to read to understand left wing radicals and what they're doing to this country.

Making claims without evidence is all you need to know about modern conservatism. Just look at how they reject hard science for reference.

[draynay]

There's an amazing book called "liberalism is a mental disorder. Check it out. That's literally all you need to read to understand left wing radicals and what they're doing to this country.

[Theodarzna]

If myself or my partner was infected, that would be a discussion that we would need to have together to decide whether we want to try to conceive or if adoption would be a better path.

So It is not such a nothing issue that you wouldn't without hesitation condemn a child of say 3 to a life with it? All I needed to hear.

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With current treatments, that risk is essentially nil.

The risk is there and it is atrocious to risk spreading it further to a child who couldn't even try to avoid it.