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    Quote Originally Posted by Orbitus View Post
    I remember the Lebanon aid being mentioned once or twice, but there was no reason it was mentioned yet.
    They still never gave a reason, from what I know, but the fact they were withholding this for months as well and even while the Ukraine stuff was coming to a head they continued to do it anyways and then only released it after getting caught.

    It's like, what the hell are they thinking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    They still never gave a reason, from what I know, but the fact they were withholding this for months as well and even while the Ukraine stuff was coming to a head they continued to do it anyways and then only released it after getting caught.

    It's like, what the hell are they thinking?
    Nobody ever claimed that Trump was smart. And neither are his supporters, because they keep believing him and his mouthpieces like Kennedy that still believes that Ukraine meddled in our election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orbitus View Post
    Nobody ever claimed that Trump was smart. And neither are his supporters, because they keep believing him and his mouthpieces like Kennedy that still believes that Ukraine meddled in our election.
    For the record, you are not allowed to say they are wrong. Someone may take offense to that.

    This has been directed by the powers that be. Even if they are objectively wrong.
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    Multiculturalism hurts and kills. This happened before Trump and it would be happening without him. Racism arises from a multicultural society. If we were monocultural, people would not see issues through the lens of race.
    This is a poster saying that people are at fault for being the victims of terrorism, because they are not white.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    Has this been brought up yet?

    Quote Originally Posted by Orbitus View Post
    I remember the Lebanon aid being mentioned once or twice, but there was no reason it was mentioned yet.
    Yes. @Shadowferal mentioned it in this post.

    I remember the Lebanon aid being mentioned once or twice, but there was no reason it was mentioned yet.
    ]Withholding the aid even for a month after Congress learned he was withholding it and begged him to stop sounds like a dick move, and I'm curious to see how this figures into the GOP defense.

    "Aid was withheld from Ukraine because corruption! You heard him say the word 'corruption' in the phone call!"
    "No, we didn't."
    "Yes, but that's the story we're going with."
    "Okay. And Lebanon?"
    "Uh..."
    "Trump gave no reason at all. Are you calling Lebanon also corrupt? I'm sure they'd love to hear the administration say that. Just come out, and say in public, Lebanon is corrupt. Like, right now."
    "Well, Trump's not going to give a reason."
    "Doesn't that immediately invalidate the 'Because Corruption' defense, then? I mean, if Trump needed a legitimate reason to withhold aid to Ukraine, and the reason stated was 'Because Corruption' then surely he has a legitimate reason for withholding aid to Lebanon, too. Or, he's making shit up again."

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    So there's a report from the DoJ that's supposed to come out shortly. WaPo reports two things:

    1) The DoJ found no mishandling in the Russia probe, including catching Team Trump flat-out working with Russia without illegally spying to do it, and
    2) Barr read the report and chooses not to believe it, because reasons.

    Just a reminder: Barr's believe that President Trump is Emperor 40k or some shit shouldn't really be applied here. Trump wasn't President when he and his campaign intentionally worked with Russia and got caught.

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    So there are more releases from the Mueller report, but I'm sure there's nothing we haven't alr--

    On the night Comey was fired, a Justice Department spokesperson contacted Rosenstein. It's unclear what she said to him, but Rosenstein states his reply was that the DOJ “cannot participate in putting out a false story.”
    Huh. Interesting.

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    More info from the recently released documents.

    Remember how Trump said Mueller was just jealous and bitter and wanted revenge because he applied to be head of the FBI and Trump turned him down? If you don't remember, here is a FOX News link so there will be no blaming Fake News today.

    It has been reported that Robert Mueller is saying that he did not apply and interview for the job of FBI Director (and get turned down) the day before he was wrongfully appointed Special Counsel. Hope he doesn’t say that under oath in that we have numerous witnesses to the interview, including the Vice President of the United States!
    That's a Trump tweet, right there. Interestingly enough, Mueller did say that under oath, while Trump said it on Twitter.

    Well...funny story, and by that I mean, tired old punchline we've heard literally twelve thousand times. Trump was lying.

    The document sheds new light on the circumstances of Trump's May 16, 2017 meeting with Mueller in the Oval Office. Trump has claimed that Mueller applied for the suddenly vacant job of FBI director in that meeting and turned him down. The next day, Mueller was named special counsel investigating links between the Trump campaign and Russian interference in the 2016 election.

    In the interview, according to the notes published by BuzzFeed News, Rosenstein described feeling "angry, ashamed, horrified and embarrassed" at how the abrupt firing of then-FBI director James Comey on May 9, 2017 was handled. "It was also humiliating for Comey," his interviewers quoted Rosenstein as saying.

    Rosenstein said he spoke to Mueller, a former FBI director, about becoming special counsel the next day.

    He had a separate conversation with Mueller and then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions on May 13 to see if Mueller would be interested in returning to his old job as director, the notes say.

    "Mueller informed them he did not want to be interviewed for FBI director position," but told them his views about "what should be done with FBI," the document says. "Sessions thought Mueller's comments were 'brilliant,'" Rosenstein is quoted as saying.

    "Nevertheless, Mueller was placed on the White House's list of potential candidates for FBI director," the notes say. "Mueller was interviewed for the position of FBI director, but later decided to withdraw from consideration," the notes say.
    So there you have it.

    No-one is above the law.

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    Apparently the Ghost of the Mueller investigation will continue to Haunt Trump for a while longer, as Michael fuckin' Cohen returns to the stage to proclaim: "That there were more communications with Russia and more communications with Trump than were reflected”

    In a not so shocking twist, the Fixer that Trump threw under the bus had a lot more to say then we were made privvy too, locked away in the bowls of an investigation report most of us weren't allowed to see. Gee, I wonder fuckin' why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyonai View Post
    Apparently the Ghost of the Mueller investigation will continue to Haunt Trump for a while longer, as Michael fuckin' Cohen returns to the stage to proclaim: "That there were more communications with Russia and more communications with Trump than were reflected”

    In a not so shocking twist, the Fixer that Trump threw under the bus had a lot more to say then we were made privvy too, locked away in the bowls of an investigation report most of us weren't allowed to see. Gee, I wonder fuckin' why.
    Not entirely surprising. We kinda knew there was more. Because no way in hell does Manafort just give random internal Republican polling data to a Russian oligarch that is friends with Putin.

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    WASHINGTON — Attorney General William P. Barr has told Justice Department officials that he is skeptical of a conclusion by the department’s inspector general that the F.B.I. had sufficient information to open the investigation into whether any Trump associates conspired with Russia during the 2016 presidential race, according to two people familiar with the conversations.

    It was not clear what Mr. Barr based his uncertainty on. The threshold to open the Russia investigation was not particularly high. The F.B.I. can open a preliminary inquiry based on “information or an allegation” that a crime or threat to national security may have occurred or will occur, according to bureau policy. Typically, agents open counterintelligence investigations with a small amount of evidence, Lisa Page, a former F.B.I. lawyer who has also been a target of Mr. Trump’s ire, testified privately to congressional investigators last year.
    Looking forward to see if Barr will twist the truth according to those fucked up conspiracy theories again, this guy will go down as the worst AG ever.

    Russia Inquiry Review Is Expected to Undercut Trump Claim of F.B.I. Spying
    The F.B.I. never tried to place undercover agents or informants inside the Trump campaign, a highly anticipated inspector general’s report is expected to find.



    Odd how republicans are ok with the tax money being spent on Trumps conspiracies and "OMG WITCH HUNT" bullshit stories. Every single one of the "witch hunts" were justified and came up with something. Unlike his own birtherism witch hunt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crispin View Post
    Like I said in many other posts, if they had such a damning report, they would have released it 2 months ago when they said that the Horowitz report was going to exonerate Trump when it came to the FISA warrants that were issued. The Durham report is going to be largely the same. There is a reason there hasn't been any charges filed, even though they labeled it a "criminal investigation" even though they haven't really shown who they are investigating.

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    Member when Trump said he have a trade deal before the 2020 election...
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaelleria View Post
    Member when Trump said he have a trade deal before the 2020 election...
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaelleria View Post
    Member when Trump said he have a trade deal before the 2020 election...
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    Yeah, now he's shifting to "You gotta reelect me or nothing will get done in this trade war I started!" I remember when he claimed trade wars were easy to win...
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    100:1 odds that he wont
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyonai View Post
    the Fixer that Trump threw under the bus had a lot more to say then we were made privvy too
    While "more of this please!" is the first, second, third, and most of eleventh through twentieth things that leap to mind, if Cohen can't prove it, it'll be handwaved with all the other witnesses who said "Trump intentionally broke the rules/law/weight limit". At the very minimum, he needs to say such under oath. Yes, again.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crispin View Post
    "It was not clear what Mr. Barr based his uncertainty on."
    Oh, I think we all know what this uncertainty is based on. "If I release this report as is, I'll be called a traitor, a Never Trumper, and possibly fired."

    Quote Originally Posted by kaelleria View Post
    Member when Trump said he have a trade deal before the 2020 election
    Now this is something I should have seen looming on the horizon, like the S. S. Fatass sailing back to port on goddam steam and a hull full of lies, mysogyny, and spelling errors.

    Putting the trade deal off till past the election fits exactly in with Trump's standard procedure. Trump has no results to speak of, so he has to run on promises. In this case, however, it's especially fat, sweating, and orange. If literally anyone but Trump is elected, like we're talking even Sarah Palin here, the tariffs Trump unilaterally placed on China that gutted GDP, manufacturing jobs and retail will immediately be removed with a flick of a pen held in substantially larger hands. Trump's "Only I Can Fix It" becomes laughably false. Still, "I'm putting the trade deal off until after the election" (he did the same with Israel, remember? Bang up job there) plays a lot better to a crowd than "Well, I'm still in control, and I have no idea how to fix this place!"

    No-one is above the law.

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    https://mashable.com/article/faceboo...r/?europe=true

    King, thankfully, didn't let up — noting the timing regarding Facebook's aforementioned decision on political ads and asking the CEO if Trump had tried to "lobby you in any way."

    Zuckerberg's response is something to behold.

    "Uh, no," he began. "I mean, I don't think that that's ... that ... ehhhh ... I think some of the stuff people talk about or think gets discussed in these discussions are not really how that works."
    Zuck might be one of the worst liars around, much like Trump.
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    Few things:

    1) Trump sides with Barr by saying, if the DoJ's report says the FBI was justified in catching Team Trump intentionally working with Russia to attack the election, he would be "disappointed". Despite, you know, the fact that he did it and got caught. "You shouldn't have caught me!" is a valid excuse in a court of law, no question, too bad impeachment isn't one of those.

    2) What's in your wallet? A subpoena! Deutsche Bank and Capital One must comply with a House subpoena seeking a broad range of financial documents related to President Trump and his businesses due to a court ruling within the hour.

    3) Trump's time at NATO is...not going well. He and Macron are at odds and arguing like an exasperated parent and an unruly child.

    "Which is which?"

    Would you like some nice ISIS fighters? I can give them to you
    "Ah."

    Yeah. That's how badly it's going.

    4) Related, Trump admits G7 will be held at Camp David, ending the issue forever or until he changes his mind again.

    5) Ukraine's former deputy foreign minister Olena Zerkal says that Ukraine's new President knew Trump had frozen promised military aid in July, as in "the month of the phone call". Incidentally, Zerkal resigned in protest of Ukraine's new President having back-channel communications (cutting her and others out of the loop) with Trump and also Russia. Hmm.

    6) After years of screaming into the wind that impeachment was an illegal traitor witch hunt, when faced with the option he might merely be censured instead he also called that unacceptable. He's sticking with the "I did nothing wrong, that's why I had Giuliani do it and lie about it and called the people who said I did it traitors and scum" defense, which makes as much sense as vodka sold by a man who doesn't drink.

    No-one is above the law.

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    The implied promise of Trump was that he would be an entertaining president.
    I don't think anyone thought he would be a competent president.

    He's truly delivered on that campaign promise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martymark View Post
    The implied promise of Trump was that he would be an entertaining president.
    I don't think anyone thought he would be a competent president.

    He's truly delivered on that campaign promise.
    I refuse to believe you are stupid enough to believe that. But you know, you do surprise me a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Martymark View Post
    The implied promise of Trump was that he would be an entertaining president.
    I don't think anyone thought he would be a competent president.

    He's truly delivered on that campaign promise.
    I guess he's entertaining in the way that The Towering Inferno was entertaining.

    Actually, I'm still waiting for him to be "so presidential that you people will be so bored".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Martymark View Post
    The implied promise of Trump was that he would be an entertaining president.
    I don't think anyone thought he would be a competent president.

    He's truly delivered on that campaign promise.
    Anyone who elects someone to be president just because they are entertaining are well...I won't say because of getting infracted, but wow. Just wow.

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    McConnell Approves Kemp’s Senate Pick That Goes Against Trump’s Wishes

    President Trump won’t be pleased with Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell’s response to Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp appointing businesswoman Kelly Loeffler to replace retiring Sen. Johnny Isakson (R-GA).

    According to a Politico report Tuesday afternoon, McConnell said that Loeffler will have the full support of the Republican establishment, despite Trump’s preference for Kemp to choose staunch presidential ally Rep. Doug Collins (R-GA). Kemp’s formal announcement of Loeffler’s appointment is expected at a press conference scheduled for 10 a.m. Wednesday.

    McConnell added that Loeffler would be treated as an incumbent and that the National Republican Senatorial Committee and sitting senators will “all be behind her.”

    “It seems to me like the governor of Georgia made a terrific appointment,” McConnell said, according to Politico. “She will be an incumbent Republican senator. We will all be behind her. Sen. [Todd] Young has already made it clear the NRSC is going to be behind her. I’m going to be behind her, and I’m confident that someone we’re working with every day will enjoy total support from the Republican conference.”


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    I have to wonder if that this was in response to Matt Gaetz as well as to Trump, when Gaetz said Kemp's career was over for defying Trump.

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