Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Paranoid Android]

On 9/11 we always remember. Let's reflect on our glorious leader during this time.

"40 Wall Street actually was the second-tallest building in downtown Manhattan, and it was actually, before the World Trade Center, was the tallest—and then, when they built the World Trade Center, it became known as the second-tallest. And now it's the tallest."

A quote from Donald Trump the day the towers went down.

Trump tells 9/11 first responders: 'I was down there also'. According to Richard Alles, a retired deputy chief with the New York Fire Department, Trump was not a presence at ground zero.

No confirmation that Trump was ever down at site or sent people to help with the rescue and cleanup.

The donations Trump said he gave to charities involved in the relief effort are all unproven.

Shocking. A conman has likely lied about any 9/11 donations.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/nyc-...ry?id=42801444

I watched in Jersey City, N.J., where thousands and thousands of people were cheering" as the World Trade Center collapsed.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...new-jersey-ch/

A blatant lie.

[DocSavageFan]

I consider myself an Eisenhower Republican but the genie will never go back in the bottle and that is Globalization. The market has changed from local or state economies to a multilateral supply chains. Every job that can be outsourced or automated will be outsourced or automated and nothing any head of state can do about it regardless of what they say. Governments do not own nor can they force corporations for doing what is in their best interest either for the short term or the long term ( i agree with some degree in the long term ). Once China becomes to expensive to produce in you will see Africa become the next staging ground for whatever remains of the human element in assembly.

Globalism is here to stay regardless of what the rubes want or say, i am from Wyoming so i get to hear this sort of thing all the time. Jobs are not coming back, outsourcing will continue to happen and here is the best part the future is more multi-national trade agreements not less as the west gears up to combat China. I suggest you take a trip to South East Asia to get an idea.

Your definition of globalism isn't what I'm talking about. A global economy is one thing...globalism is quite another. The definition I'm using is below.

glob·al·ism
the operation or planning of economic and foreign policy on a global basis.

[Felya]

A quote from Donald Trump the day the towers went down.

The man is of infinite talent... Tweeting that Trump tower is now the tallest building, being a first responder and watching 1000s cheer. Amazing... bigly full of shit.

Oh and before people start spreading the Giuliani lie that Hillary wasn’t there:

[Paranoid Android]

For all their faults, Trump and Pence are scheduled today to visit the sites where a combined 3,000 Americans lost their lives, and to hold a moment of silence. Good. Today, of all days, we should put aside our --



Never fucking mind.

Well Breccia you must understand that your post was a couple hours ago and the closer he gets to the time for the 9/11 ceremonies he will focus on the healing of a nation.

What's that?

If it weren’t for the never ending Fake News about me, and with all that I have done (more than any other President in the first 2 1/2 years!), I would be leading the “Partners” of the LameStream Media by 20 points. Sorry, but true!

Roughly an hour and a half after he tweeted 'We will never forget'.

[Breccia]

did he not so subtly talk about increasing his term limit again?

@Elegiac is probably right. Even for Trump, "negative rates and giving me a third term" is a nonsequitur. Nonsequitor. Nonsequiter. Fuck you red underlining, I know it's ONE Of those!

Incidentally, Trump talking about a third term, besides being yet more dictatorial actions and conflicting with his promise for a Constitutional Amendment for term limits, yes he promised that no he hasn't done anything about it, goes even further into the, well, evil depths of his character.

1) He's old and in failing health. Nothing about the next nine years will make this any better.

2) As a reminder, there was a rumor the rabid fanbase latched onto with their foaming semi-tooth-filled mouths that Obama was going to go for a third term. We've all seen it. Now, Trump is declaring he doesn't just want one, but that everyone needs to give him one, and it's met with thundering applause.

3) And, of course, he's underwater in every poll that exists. Declaring yourself the winner is one thing, working for the victory is another. Trump has only done one of those things.

[Felya]

Roughly an hour and a half after he tweeted 'We will never forget'.

Still better than meeting the Taliban at Camp David in secret.

[Paranoid Android]

Still better than meeting the Taliban at Camp David in secret.

Yes. I was about to add that to Trump's 9/11 farce, but I decided to keep it to the history and not his eff-ups that happened this week.

[Breccia]

Still better than meeting the Taliban at Camp David in secret.

From the backlash we've seen, it's clear why the meeting was supposed to be in secret: if Trump announced to the world that the US was now negotiating with terrorists, the backlash would be a massive slap in the face.

Trump tried to back his way out ("I canceled the meeting with terrorists after they acted like terrorists again") but it cost him at least Bolton, plus a number of GOP members are speaking out against it as well. The fact that he set up the meeting with terrorists, then canceled it, is just as damning as, say, hiring a warhawk then firing him for being a warhawk.

I hate to tie Donald Trump to a real American hero, but...

First you didn't want me to get the pony. Now you want me to take it back. Make up your mind.

TalibanTraitorTrump gets no credit at all for stopping one of his own bad decisions. Full stop.

[Felya]

Yes. I was about to add that to Trump's 9/11 farce, but I decided to keep it to the history and not his eff-ups that happened this week.

After 8 years of Obama, it’s amazing that Trump is getting so little shit over it. They were raging that Obama would do something like this, from the moment he took office. Trump does it in secret, than claims to fire the guy that stopped him... Yet, we are off to the next Trump scandal. Anyone claiming that media is too harsh on Trump, should have to justify this. This would be at least a month long uproar for anyone else, with impeachment drums likely... but, not for Trump...

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TalibanTraitorTrump gets no credit at all for stopping one of his own bad decisions. Full stop.

Can you imagine a kid asking what happened on 9/11 and the answer involving those guys Trump invited to Camp David in secret. At least Trump’s Muslim ban got the xenophobic support... thank the Trump it ended well before this secret meeting with terrorist was to take effect.

Edit: Makes me wonder if QAnon knew of this secret plan... lol

[Breccia]

At least Trump’s Muslim ban got the xenophobic support

Oh by the way, remember when Trump called Omar an anti-Semite because she refused to condemn all Muslims for the acts of Muslim terrorists?

So...Trump tried to negotiate with Muslim terrorists.

Any and all accusations of Omar being anti-Semetic must now also be amended with "and so is Trump". Sorry. I don't make the rules.

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This makes no sense. The world has known we were negotiating with them for over 6 months.

True, but I guess bringing them here for tea and biscuits crossed the line from "forcing them to sit down and shut up" to "treat as equals".

[Daelak]

Your definition of globalism isn't what I'm talking about. A global economy is one thing...globalism is quite another. The definition I'm using is below.

glob·al·ism
the operation or planning of economic and foreign policy on a global basis.

And you think if the US doesn't act through a "globalist" lens, that your quality of life will somehow improve?

[Felya]

And you think if the US doesn't act through a "globalist" lens, that your quality of life will somehow improve?

It doesn’t work for Trump business, not sure why it should work for us. Unless this is just removing competition, since Trump didn’t move out his manufacturing from China, as he was ordering other corporations to do it.

[Breccia]

All I’m saying is it has nothing to do with not wanting to appear to negotiate with terrorists since he’s been proudly announcing that we were since at least the SOTU.

It had to be in some way. Trump claimed he broke off the meeting because of the most recent Taliban terror attack. If working with terrorists were okay, why would that be an excuse? They'd been killing people for ages.

Look, nothing about the US negotiating with terrorists makes sense. But when that's the excuse given publicly, then the image of the US working with terrorists being bad is still on the table.

Also:

This NBC article goes into detail into a topic we've mentioned before: the NC election, and how NC just barely giving a spot to a Republican should be a real source of concern to the GOP.

[DocSavageFan]

And you think if the US doesn't act through a "globalist" lens, that your quality of life will somehow improve?

I prefer to live in a sovereign nation.

[Daelak]

I prefer to live in a sovereign nation.

You do live in one, one that through the actions of this piece of shit president, is losing economic leverage and international goodwill, while lying to his base.

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It doesn’t work for Trump business, not sure why it should work for us. Unless this is just removing competition, since Trump didn’t move out his manufacturing from China, as he was ordering other corporations to do it.

Yeah because even he knows you cannot "unglobalize" the US, nor can any country. The longer piece of shit conservatives believe the US can achieve "sovereignty" without the assistance of the rest of the world, the more the US will start looking like a conservative shithole country.

[Breccia]

More on that 6:42 tweet from Reuters:

U.S. President Donald Trump called on the Federal Reserve to push down interest rates into negative territory, a move reluctantly used by other world central banks to battle weak economic growth as it punishes savers and banks’ earnings in the process.

Trump, in a pair of Twitter posts, said negative rates would save the government money on its debt. He did not address the risks or financial market tensions that central banks in Europe and Japan have confronted as a result of their negative rate policy, or the larger issue that negative rates have not done much to boost growth or raise inflation as intended.

“The Federal Reserve should get our interest rates down to ZERO, or less, and we should then start to refinance our debt. INTEREST COST COULD BE BROUGHT WAY DOWN, while at the same time substantially lengthening the term,” Trump tweeted. “We have the great currency, power, and balance sheet... The USA should always be paying the ... lowest rate. No Inflation!”

“It is only the naïveté of (Fed Chairman) Jay Powell and the Federal Reserve that doesn’t allow us to do what other countries are already doing,” added Trump, who has repeatedly noted that rates are negative in Germany, Europe’s trading powerhouse.

Last month, however, Trump told reporters at the White House that he did not want to see negative rates in the United States.

On Friday, Powell said the Fed would act appropriately to help maintain the U.S. economic expansion and that political factors played no role in the central bank’s decision-making process.

Trump also kept up his attack on Powell and the Fed in his tweets on Wednesday: “A once in a lifetime opportunity that we are missing because of ‘Boneheads.’”

Fed officials have downplayed the idea of setting their target policy rate below zero as politically untenable and not worth the risks. The policy is meant to account for extremely weak economic conditions by, in effect, charging banks to hold reserve deposits at the Fed.

The specifics aside, Trump is begging for a policy that is used by weak economies. He either doesn't know that, or he does and he's admitting the economy is in trouble. Neither trait is redeeming.

[Breccia]

It was the only excuse he could come up with after he found out Afghanistan wasn’t sending anyone. If it was due to the deaths the talks would have been off long before now. The Taliban has been killing people throughout the process.

I think at this point, we're just quibbling over minor details. It was a horrible idea in the first place, it was a horrible idea at the time, and it cost him Bolton. The lie he used to defend himself was transparent. There are no redeeming ways he comes out of this.

Speaking of poor PR, just before his moment of silence Trump sent three tweets -- is that more or fewer than his tweets about 9/11? -- attacking the latest poll showing him, again, trailing every Democrat on Earth, a Roomba going in circles, and Basic Campfire.

So naturally I'll link that.

Five Democratic contenders lead Donald Trump in head-to-head matchups in the latest ABC News/Washington Post poll, with several widening their advantage since July. Concerns about the economy, which have pushed down the president’s job approval rating, are a factor.

Among those tested in the survey, Joe Biden leads Trump by 16 percentage points among all adults, 54-38%, essentially the same as two months ago. Bernie Sanders leads by 12 points, up from 6 in July; as does Elizabeth Warren by 11 points, compared with a slight 7 points previously. Kamala Harris leads by 10 points, while Pete Buttigieg has a slight 6-point edge.

Trump’s support is virtually the same, 38%-41%, in all these matchups, vs. 41%-45% in July. What changes have occurred mainly reflect dips in his support rather than Democratic gains in this poll, produced for ABC by Langer Research Associates.

Yes, this poll follows a couple of really bad weeks when Trump was confronted with the consequences of his actions.

[Elegiac]

I prefer to live in a sovereign nation.

*burps* People in hell want ice water.

Unfortunately it seems like most people prefer the economic prosperity engendered by globalisation rather than...you know. Being like North Korea.

[Elegiac]

Maybe Doc should live in a sovereign nation for a while to see if he actually likes it.

I don't mean to be a killjoy but I just want to point out that the US' relative prosperity during its period of "isolation" was built on the back of colonisation (Manifest Destiny) and imperialism (the Monroe Doctrine).

Sovereignty for me but not for thee.

[Pratt]

Anyone else notice the amount of xenophobic, race baiting, fringe right-wing content in the politics and gen ot forums plummet like the week after the site was sold?