Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Draco-Onis]

Did Trump ask the Ukranian President to investigate the Bidens? It's a pretty straightforward question with a very clear answer. But for you it's apparently "no", did you not read the transcript that's only a few pages long? I'm sure you'd manage. Spoiler: it'll reveal the real answer to you.

He was just joking guys

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The trumpanzees need to understand that a quid pro quo need not have taken place for this to be illegal. Asking foreign governments to investigate a political opponent is illegal. Using the power of your office to crush your political opponents is a thing dictators do. But, I guess anything for the orange fucking moron to stay in power is acceptable to some.

Trump supporters are just fully endorsing corruption, blackmail and foreign interference, the party of crime ladies and gentlemen.

[Crispin]

It's pathetic that some Republicans excuse is that the POTUS is a troll who throws out jokes.

[some guy]

He was just joking guys

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Trump supporters are just fully endorsing corruption, blackmail and foreign interference, the party of crime ladies and gentlemen.

Let's just call it like it is, they are supporting their side doing it. Republican hypocrisy is just endless. But their really is no point in calling them out on it, because they don't care. All they care about is political wins, and not the matter in which they are achieved.

[Dontrike]

It's pathetic that some Republicans excuse is that the POTUS is a troll who throws out jokes.

The real question then becomes if Trump is apparently joking so often then when can he be taken seriously?

[Machismo]

NA. I am not convinced a crime was committed which falls under the articles of impeachment set forth by the Constitution. Right along with as a min, half of the nation. Only about half support impeaching Trump according to the latest poll. Not that it matters however. it is mainly the haters of Trump that feel it is. And even Kasich, ( no friend of Trump ) is not convinced a crime was committed based solely on the transcript. let that sink in.

Then you must be outraged that Trump is refusing to let the people involved testify... right?

[Mayhem]

The real question then becomes if Trump is apparently joking so often then when can he be taken seriously?

That's easy to answer, all the never time.

[Dontrike]

That's easy to answer, all the never time.

It's so simple!

[noidentity]

State Department orders EU ambassador cited in Ukraine texts not to appear for deposition with House investigators

Just an hour before he was to speak infront of house investigators the state department orders the EU ambassador not to speak.

[Mayhem]

State Department orders EU ambassador cited in Ukraine texts not to appear for deposition with House investigators

Just an hour before he was to speak infront of house investigators the state department orders the EU ambassador not to speak.

That is not suspicious at all.

[Ghostpanther]

State Department orders EU ambassador cited in Ukraine texts not to appear for deposition with House investigators

Just an hour before he was to speak infront of house investigators the state department orders the EU ambassador not to speak.

It is all a part of getting the Democrats to have a formal vote by the House to do a impeachment inquiry.

[Sorshen]

State Department orders EU ambassador cited in Ukraine texts not to appear for deposition with House investigators

Just an hour before he was to speak infront of house investigators the state department orders the EU ambassador not to speak.

Do they have the authority to stop this? What can they do, expel him from the country?

[Draco-Onis]

I don't know, he probably said Trump had the largest hands he had ever seen or something. Manipulating Trump isn't exactly hard, especially when you are a ruthless authoritarian that he looks up too.

Looks like it is even worse Donald Trump makes a lot of money from Turkey there's a twin Trump tower already in Istanbul.


“I have a little conflict of interest ’cause I have a major, major building in Istanbul,” Trump boasted in response. “It’s a tremendously successful job. It’s called Trump Towers — two towers, instead of one, not the usual one; it’s two. And I’ve gotten to know Turkey very well. They’re amazing people, they’re incredible people. They have a strong leader.” Donald Trump - 2015

[Orbitus]

It is all a part of getting the Democrats to have a formal vote by the House to do a impeachment inquiry.

Well, it is a good thing that isn't required for this process.

[Draco-Onis]

Do they have the authority to stop this? What can they do, expel him from the country?

Of course they don't but the Trump administration has officially declared they are above the law even investigations, they claim executive privilege for people who aren't even in government.

[Noxx79]

It is all a part of getting the Democrats to have a formal vote by the House to do a impeachment inquiry.

More cheering for criminality I see.

[Flarelaine]

Why should they waste their scarce resources? they will make a deal with either Assad or worse ISIS they have no choice.

The Kurds have entire brigades made up of women. Think about what ISIS thinks of those. And a good number of them are refugees from ISIS-occupied territories, some are survivors of rape. Occasionally gang-rape. Do you see them supporting a deal?

[some guy]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...KBN1WN0D7?il=0
Just so we can all remember WHY the GOP protects Trump. Let's see how it pans out.

But didn't Trump say that he would fight the LGBTQ community while Hillary would bring in people who would threaten their freedoms and beliefs. Seems like he's full of shit yet again.

[Shalcker]

Eeh, keep the US troops in place? Or are you suggesting the Erdogan would attack American soldiers? Get lost with your ignorant nonsense.

Yes, i suggest that Erdogan would attack anyway. Because they would not believe US to actually care for Kurds enough. Remember Afrin?

Using US troops as "tripwire" to defend Kurds - provoking Turks into creating pretext for US attack on another NATO member - would be idiotic. They would issue warning - like they did through that Trump phonecall - and then attack anyway.

The upside would be... Kurds loving US slightly more while Turks will look even more toward Russia and others for their security if bluff would work?
And potential downside if it didn't? Destruction of NATO presence in the region and actual war with one of the largest regional militaries - when US already has tensions with Iran and things happening in Iraq as well.

[Molis]

Sure it is. Look at Bill Clinton's approval rating after the impeachment against him failed.

Trump is not Clinton. He will not energize and engage the moderates or the south like Bill did.

This will not go as you expect.

[Breccia]

Do they have the authority to stop this?

The ambassador is certainly responding as if, yes, they do. Throw in a subpoena, and I'm pretty sure it becomes "no, they don't".

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The Kurds have entire brigades made up of women. Think about what ISIS thinks of those. And a good number of them are refugees from ISIS-occupied territories, some are survivors of rape. Occasionally gang-rape. Do you see them supporting a deal?

Incidentally, this line -- with limited modification -- would also apply to Trump thinking that he could pay the Palestinians to leave Israel.