Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Fugus]

Couldn't they just legalize pot and have that kill the majority of the cartels revenue stream? I mean we are the main ones funding them thanks to our own war on drugs aren't we?

Would make them infinitely easier to handle if they weren't so well financed, by us....

[Machismo]

Couldn't they just legalize pot and have that kill the majority of the cartels revenue stream? I mean we are the main ones funding them thanks to our own war on drugs aren't we?

Would make them infinitely easier to handle if they weren't so well financed, by us....

Yes, this is the way to do it. There's a reason that all the organized crime gangs in the America took major hits after Prohibition was lifted.

[ParanoiD84]

Legalizing drugs in the United States would largely solve the problem.

I agree though I don't see that happening anytime soon.

[Fugus]

Right, but with the issues Mexico is having I could envision their President welcoming US intervention. You saw the fucking war zone from when they attempted to take El Chapo's son into custody right?

With the current administration, I would be fearful of as the Mexican president for fear that the Trump administration will attempt to actually keep a portion of the land for themselves or try and extort us for the help. Or not differentiate between cartel and civilian.

[Skulltaker]

Let's assume for a minute drug cartells get thoroughly defeated (preferably by the Mexican government) and no drugs get produced in Mexico from that moment, they live and prosper as they deserve it.

How would Americans get their drugs?

Which ones? Pharmaceuticals? From your companies. Meth, Heroine, cocaine, crack and the like? Not at all, I'd hope. Of course, someone else would step up to fill the void. But 'someone else will do the job' is not a reason not to do anything about it.

[Fugus]

I agree though I don't see that happening anytime soon.

Well, during the 2016 election, Clinton and Trump were the only 2 not running on legalizing weed, we have multiple states that allow it and the push is continuing. So we will get it in the near future as the older generations die out along with their "Reefer Madness" views on the topic and then we got to deal with will of the people versus will of the donors type things.

[cubby]

Right, but with the issues Mexico is having I could envision their President welcoming US intervention. You saw the fucking war zone from when they attempted to take El Chapo's son into custody right?

Man that was horrible. They eventually had to give him up, right?

I hear what you're saying but I think the Mexico president has already commented on the issue with a "no thank you".

[Machismo]

I agree though I don't see that happening anytime soon.

Then people really don't want to solve the problem. Black markets exist, because of the existence of government restrictions.

[Belize]

Let's assume for a minute drug cartells get thoroughly defeated (preferably by the Mexican government) and no drugs get produced in Mexico from that moment, they live and prosper as they deserve it.

How would Americans get their drugs?

They'll just get a prescription for it, like what's currently happening *shrug*

[Edge-]

Literally the fucking WORST.

Trump rejects Native American Heritage Month, proclaims November “National American History and Founders Month.”

When you keep saying the quiet part out loud.

[Beefhammer]

Couldn't they just legalize pot and have that kill the majority of the cartels revenue stream? I mean we are the main ones funding them thanks to our own war on drugs aren't we?

Would make them infinitely easier to handle if they weren't so well financed, by us....

The issue with legalized pot, is owners of pot shops want to make a profit, so where one could buy a certain amount on the streets from their guy for $10. The same amount from a store costs $25. Partly because the states that is is legal in tax dispensaries at a higher rate than regular businesses. SO while legal pot has taken off, there is still a large market for the non store buyers wanting it for cheap.

[Rasulis]

Couldn't they just legalize pot and have that kill the majority of the cartels revenue stream? I mean we are the main ones funding them thanks to our own war on drugs aren't we?

Would make them infinitely easier to handle if they weren't so well financed, by us....

The cartels do not smuggle pot into the US. They smuggle crack, cocaine and opioid (fentanyl, etc.).

The cartels smuggle pot from the US into Mexico because US produced higher quality pot.

US drugs now flowing INTO Mexico: Cartels are smuggling high-grade medicinal marijuana south of the border

DEA spokesman Lawrence Payne tells NPR that Sinaloa operatives in the United States are reportedly buying high-potency American marijuana in Colorado and smuggling it back into Mexico for sale to high-paying customers.

[Fugus]

The issue with legalized pot, is owners of pot shops want to make a profit, so where one could buy a certain amount on the streets from their guy for $10. The same amount from a store costs $25. Partly because the states that is is legal in tax dispensaries at a higher rate than regular businesses. SO while legal pot has taken off, there is still a large market for the non store buyers wanting it for cheap.

That is with it still being illegal federally.

When it is actually legalized, you can best bet you will be able to buy some New Port Weed Labels or Camel Greens for cheaper when it is actually able to be mass produced legally without all the iffy-ness of it.

I have read of a few places that tried getting greedy with it and refused to actually legalize it unless their own specific people were the only sellers.

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The cartels do not smuggle pot into the US. They smuggle crack, cocaine and opioid (fentanyl, etc.).

The cartels smuggle pot from the US into Mexico because US produced higher quality pot.

US drugs now flowing INTO Mexico: Cartels are smuggling high-grade medicinal marijuana south of the border

Ok, now THAT is interesting.

[Beefhammer]

That is with it still being illegal federally.

When it is actually legalized, you can best bet you will be able to buy some New Port Weed Labels or Camel Greens for cheaper when it is actually able to be mass produced legally without all the iffy-ness of it.

I have read of a few places that tried getting greedy with it and refused to actually legalize it unless their own specific people were the only sellers.

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Ok, now THAT is interesting.

The taxes are akin to sin taxes. If it were legalized federally, those taxes would still be in place.

[ParanoiD84]

Then people really don't want to solve the problem. Black markets exist, because of the existence of government restrictions.

It would work wonders here to as pretty much all gangs fight over the drug markets. But sweden is very very anti legalizing anything so that will probably never happen.

[tumppu]

I do hope the US does indeed help in wiping the cartels from this planet or at least make their little pathetic lives a living hell, groups like isis seems like pussies in comparison when it comes to violence and brutality.

Thing is, I don't see those two as that different. Religious terrorists are pushing a product that is rejected by the majority, but embraced by a minority. Drug cartels are essentially doing the same thing. Drug cartels also have their own frigging "religion". Remember that drug cartel religion from Ghost Recon: Wildlands? It's not fiction.

[Fugus]

The taxes are akin to sin taxes. If it were legalized federally, those taxes would still be in place.

The taxes yes, but the ability to mass produce it and bring down the costs are also there. When you have those large tobacco producers getting into it, you will see the prices drop. It will never be truly "cheap" but it will drop in price. Right now they are still niche and specialty because of their legal status.

[solinari6]

The taxes are akin to sin taxes. If it were legalized federally, those taxes would still be in place.

Yeah, and right now it's just state taxes. In CA, it's something like 35% tax. When it's legalized, I'd assume there would be a federal tax on TOP of that.

[Beefhammer]

The taxes yes, but the ability to mass produce it and bring down the costs are also there. When you have those large tobacco producers getting into it, you will see the prices drop. It will never be truly "cheap" but it will drop in price. Right now they are still niche and specialty because of their legal status.

I'm skeptical on the mass production. Here in Michigan, it's legal, but many cities are banning places from selling. I'm sure that may face similar obstacles fro production elsewhere. But then like said above, once legal on a federal level, you know there will be federal taxes and regulations that will keep the prices above street level.

[Fugus]

I'm skeptical on the mass production. Here in Michigan, it's legal, but many cities are banning places from selling. I'm sure that may face similar obstacles fro production elsewhere. But then like said above, once legal on a federal level, you know there will be federal taxes and regulations that will keep the prices above street level.

That, I can definitely see, but at that point, they will also try and attacking the street sellers as well at that point too. They will have those areas that refuse to sell it just like dry cities and alcohol.

Eventually, the street sellers would be pushed to closer to like people selling homemade moonshine now.