Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Edge-]

https://twitter.com/AaronBlake/statu...089500672?s=19



This adds to the myth of Trumpism.

No, he was still joking. It was a big practical joke on his staff, you see. Totally an effective use of their time!

[Pendulous]

If people at this point don't realize that the stock market does not determine how much money you personally have, then there is no hope left.

[Belize]

If people at this point don't realize that the stock market does not determine how much money you personally have, then there is no hope left.

But it doesn't matter that most Americans live paycheck to paycheck, because one day something will happen and they'll suddenly get rich and be the posterboys for The American Dream.

So long as the stock market stays strong, and the already rich from birth investors that benefit from it say that anyone can be just like then anyone can make it!

[tumppu]

If people at this point don't realize that the stock market does not determine how much money you personally have, then there is no hope left.

Unless your wealth is tied to your stocks, that is. I'm pretty sure 80-99% of trump voters don't even own any stocks. They just keep pretending that if wall street is doing well, so are they in their trailer park or whatever.

[Zan15]

Despite the lower earnings, I expect the stock market to keep going up through 2021.

The 30-year US treasury bond is at a record low yield of 1.905% and the 10-year is below 1.5%.

The best online saving accounts are at 1.9%.

Almost 50% of global bonds are paying negative yields right now.

Not including the assets appreciation, the S&P 500 dividend yield alone has been averaging around 1.9% in 2019.

At this time, there is nowhere better to park your assets than the US stock market.

All depends on what you invested in.

If you look at the dow you are looking at a lousy 3.2% increase in close to 2 years. After fees you are lucky to beat 1.5-1.9%

if you invested in a broader market like SP500 funds then you faired better at 7% though not as well as you expect. 3.5% a year before fees.

You would have to start investing in more riskier funds or stocks to get 6-10+% which is not really comparable to bonds since the type of person who is looking to invest in bonds does not have the risk appetite to invest in risky high return stocks.

Even if you have the risk appetite there are corporate and junk bonds giving the same kind of return especially in the "global" market.

[Edge-]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/06/u...lth-court.html

A federal judge has ruled that the government must provide mental health services to thousands of migrant parents and children who experienced psychological harm as a result of the Trump administration’s practice of separating families.

The decision, issued late Tuesday, marks a rare instance of the government being held legally accountable for mental trauma brought about by its policies — in this case, border security measures that locked thousands of migrant parents in detention while their children were placed in government shelters or foster homes.

The cruelty was the point.

And now taxpayers will have to foot the bill for this administrations cruelty and inability to do anything right.

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https://www.motherjones.com/politics...gious-grounds/

The Trump administration’s “conscience rule,” which would have allowed health care providers to refuse to offer services such as abortions, contraceptive care, and vaccinations that they disagree with on religious or moral grounds, was declared unconstitutional by a federal judge on Wednesday.

The rule, which was set to go into effect later this month, was voided by US District Court Judge Paul Engelmayer in Manhattan. In a 147-page opinion, Engelmayer stated that the administration did not have the authority to enact major portions of the rule change and that several parts of the Department of Health and Human Services’ argument in favor of the change were factually inaccurate.

So, again, the Trump administration is finding out that they can't just make shit up to justify any change they want.

This is why you don't elect liars to office, because they'll fucking lie constantly and because lies aren't a sound basis for policy.

[Wyrt]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1XG2RE



This moron hasn't been paying attention at all. Trump isn't willing to negotiate on this and says they don't get access.

Um, how exactly do you even compromise on something like this? They either get the tax returns or they don't. There's no middle ground to compromise over even if Trump was willing to compromise(which he isn't).

[cubby]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1XG2RE

A U.S. judge on Wednesday told lawyers for the House of Representatives that it should try to reach a compromise with the Trump administration over access to the president’s tax returns, saying the two branches of government are required to at least attempt to make a deal.

“I think there should be a way for the parties to figure this out,” said U.S. District Judge Trevor McFadden during an oral argument, adding “it seems to me that there could be some common ground.”

This moron hasn't been paying attention at all. Trump isn't willing to negotiate on this and says they don't get access.

While his intentions are good, I feel like this kind of request/suggestion would come from someone in Middle School. The sheer naivete and ignorance of current events is breathtaking.

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Um, how exactly do you even compromise on something like this? They either get the tax returns or they don't. There's no middle ground to compromise over even if Trump was willing to compromise(which he isn't).

And there is this exceedingly valid point. It's a binary solution. You get the tax returns or you don't.

[Kaleredar]

The cruelty was the point.

And now taxpayers will have to foot the bill for this administrations cruelty and inability to do anything right.

So... just like everything else in the Trump administration, then?

[Thestrawman]

I find this both illuminating and hilarious.

I thought that said Barron and it totally seems plausible that Trump waited 4 years to meet his child.

[Rasulis]

All depends on what you invested in.

If you look at the dow you are looking at a lousy 3.2% increase in close to 2 years. After fees you are lucky to beat 1.5-1.9%

if you invested in a broader market like SP500 funds then you faired better at 7% though not as well as you expect. 3.5% a year before fees.

You would have to start investing in more riskier funds or stocks to get 6-10+% which is not really comparable to bonds since the type of person who is looking to invest in bonds does not have the risk appetite to invest in risky high return stocks.

Even if you have the risk appetite there are corporate and junk bonds giving the same kind of return especially in the "global" market.

I am just not seeing the numbers that you are posting. My investment strategy is pretty conservative, and my numbers are much better than that. Here are some of the ETFs in my holding. Most of them have been around for a long time. They are a mix of tech, telcom, health, consumer discretionary and consumer staple, large cap, mid cap and small cap. All of them pretty common components of most investment and retirement portfolios. I probably should get rid of the ones with higher expense ratio, but I am too lazy. As long as they are not losing money, I'll keep them.

FSCSX
VGHCX
PRMTX
FSMEX
MPGFX
POGRX
PRDGX

[jeezusisacasual]

So i am watching Australian news TV and they had a clip of Rand Paul asking the media to out the whistle blower but isnt that counter to the law or am i incorrect? I could have sworn Rand Paul speaking about how he is for the rule of law and the protections of those whom out corruption? Is Rand Paul literally opening a cockholster for Trump? The channel for this is ABC Australia btw.

[Skulltaker]

So i am watching Australian news TV and they had a clip of Rand Paul asking the media to out the whistle blower but isnt that counter to the law or am i incorrect? I could have sworn Rand Paul speaking about how he is for the rule of law and the protections of those whom out corruption? Is Rand Paul literally opening a cockholster for Trump? The channel for this is ABC Australia btw.

Well, I think, legally speaking, the media has no obligation to keep his identity a secret, but it is in their own interest. They know that if they are shown to be willing to throw an informant under the bus to curry favor with politicians, future informants will find other ways to distribute their information.

The question is if they know his identity at all. If I were to leak anything to a news outlet, I wouldn't put my name on it, I would, at best, use a throwaway phone, find someone to hand it over, send the info (or rahter copies) anonymously, etc... make a burner e-mail, and so on.

Edit: Nevermind, I just learned that revealing such information can be considered obstruction of justice, which is, in fact, illegal.

[Kaleredar]

Well, I think, legally speaking, the media has no obligation to keep his identity a secret, but it is in their own interest. They know that if they are shown to be willing to throw an informant under the bus to curry favor with politicians, future informants will find other ways to distribute their information.

The question is if they know his identity at all. If I were to leak anything to a news outlet, I wouldn't put my name on it, I would, at best, use a throwaway phone, find someone to hand it over, send the info (or rahter copies) anonymously, etc... make a burner e-mail, and so on.

Edit: Nevermind, I just learned that revealing such information can be considered obstruction of justice, which is, in fact, illegal.

Trump's followers advocating obstruction of justice?

Must be a day that ends in Y.

[Mayhem]

I thought that said Barron and it totally seems plausible that Trump waited 4 years to meet his child.

Oh good I wasn't the only one.

Trump not seeing his Child for 4 years. - yep, plausible

A 4-year-old asking his dad what country he's going to run for President. - checks out

[Paranoid Android]

There are new signs that @realdonaldtrump
’s private company is facing sharp business declines. In Chicago, profits at the Trump hotel have plummeted 89% in just 3 yrs.


Now some people may love this headline and that Trump may have to sell his only real profitable property the Trump Hotel in D.C. Yet, I'm sure most are also concerned that this will definitely make him more susceptible to bribes and corruption. I mean a corrupt person, willing to be more corrupt.

[Poopymonster]

Well, I think, legally speaking, the media has no obligation to keep his identity a secret, but it is in their own interest. They know that if they are shown to be willing to throw an informant under the bus to curry favor with politicians, future informants will find other ways to distribute their information.

The question is if they know his identity at all. If I were to leak anything to a news outlet, I wouldn't put my name on it, I would, at best, use a throwaway phone, find someone to hand it over, send the info (or rahter copies) anonymously, etc... make a burner e-mail, and so on.

Edit: Nevermind, I just learned that revealing such information can be considered obstruction of justice, which is, in fact, illegal.

Turns out the whistleblower is...Tarron Brump. Noted as Good at the Cyber.

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There are new signs that @realdonaldtrump
’s private company is facing sharp business declines. In Chicago, profits at the Trump hotel have plummeted 89% in just 3 yrs.


Now some people may love this headline and that Trump may have to sell his only real profitable property the Trump Hotel in D.C. Yet, I'm sure most are also concerned that this will definitely make him more susceptible to bribes and corruption. I mean a corrupt person, willing to be more corrupt.

I foresee a visit from the president. Along with all functionaries, aides to functionaries, flunkies, aides to flunkies, aides to aides of flunkies, a full contingent of secret service personnel for each, someone to lug in Rudy G's casket so he can sleep during the day, and some covfefe boys.

Within weeks of a sharp increase in prices.

[Pannonian]

Within weeks of a sharp increase in prices.

The times we live in... i accidentally read: "Within weeks of sharpie price increases." Damn.

[Pannonian]

As if anyone of any credibility is going to give Trump a call and expect to get any kind of truth.

Imagine, after this tweet, there were more attacks towards the media calling them "LameStream Media," "FAKE NEWS" and "Enemy of the People" again. Oh, hold on, that's exactly what came next. With the added bonus of Trump claiming there is no freedom of the press!

How should he know? Of course they would ask his publicist John Miller. Such a silly person.

[Dead Moose Fandango]

I thought that said Barron and it totally seems plausible that Trump waited 4 years to meet his child.

Wouldn't be surprised. And this is why I feel bad for most of Trump's kids that aren't named Ivanka. They no doubt had a terrible upbringing. Won't excuse their behavior now, but... Yea.