Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Xyonai]

Beto dropped out of the race; or is there another Democrat candidate you're talking about?

The fact I forgot/didn't notice he dropped says a lot about my point I think, lol.

[Fugus]

Joking aside, if Trump wants to keep his seat after he's Convicted or loses the 2020 election, he'll have to start a major war, or have the US suffer some major terrorist attack.

Starting a major war, I think they would make him look worse now with how fatigued we are with it already and would alienate part of his base already who still cling to the false hope of him bring people back home.

Major terrorist attack, I could see him contacting Russia to get right on that for him if he can get the message out without being caught.

I know when this is all done and fuck-up is out of office, Russia will have hell to pay, especially with them being linked to helping fund the Brexit backers and all to push for it.

[PACOX]

If you thought the War on Christmas was enough we have a new one!


Trump starts his rally by saying liberals don't want Thanksgiving to be called Thanksgiving

Who has their money on Easter next year that Trump will claim is a war?

I think I missed the last Soros meeting. What did we change Thanksgiving to?

[Dontrike]

I think I missed the last Soros meeting. What did we change Thanksgiving to?

ThankSJWiving.

I don't really even get it either.

[Huehuecoyotl]

I didn't see it as promoting violence, necessarily. But rather his concern that under socialism there may be more desperate people willing to take desperate measures to survive, and as such, personal protection would be a must.

When dealing with the right-wing, always think "projection". What this probably means is that he would be only too happy to start stealing from his neighbours if he thought he needed to, so he works on the assumption that everyone else would do the same. Which makes sense, most right-wing people believe they should be allowed to take whatever they want.

[nonameelf]

I think I missed the last Soros meeting. What did we change Thanksgiving to?

I think they're still just pissy about reality shitting on their "The settlers and Indians were friends" mythology about the holiday.

[jeezusisacasual]

If you thought the War on Christmas was enough we have a new one!


Trump starts his rally by saying liberals don't want Thanksgiving to be called Thanksgiving

Who has their money on Easter next year that Trump will claim is a war?

Well i assume it would be as successful as the wars in Iraq / Afganistan and Vietnam.

[cubby]

Starting a major war, I think they would make him look worse now with how fatigued we are with it already and would alienate part of his base already who still cling to the false hope of him bring people back home.

Major terrorist attack, I could see him contacting Russia to get right on that for him if he can get the message out without being caught.

I know when this is all done and fuck-up is out of office, Russia will have hell to pay, especially with them being linked to helping fund the Brexit backers and all to push for it.

I agree that some cupcake war in a shit hole would just channel the Wag-the-Dog crowd and look even worse. I was thinking more along the lines of Russia-helps-out either internationally so we have to respond or domestically so we're the victims. I could see SF going up in a nuclear fire and Trump suspending the Constitution. Really those are just thoughts from books I've read, but you get the idea.

I sincerely hope that Russia will be made to pay. Like go-to-war made to pay kind of thing (ironic given the above). If fuck-up is removed from office or loses in 2020, the Truth and Reconciliation Committee will last a decade.

[Kryctos]

Looks like Rudy is the latest victim of the trump bus.
"I didnt order him yo go to Ukraine, I thought his trip was cancelled, he has other clients."

[Levelfive]

https://twitter.com/aubrey_huff/stat...658553857?s=19

Former Major League Baseball player posting his belief in political assassination.

I'm sure our pearl clutches like Zenkai will have a thread out on this very soon to show his independent streak of violence on both sides.

On the upside, this came out of it: https://twitter.com/Mobute/status/1199392273252933634

[cubby]

Looks like Rudy is the latest victim of the trump bus.
"I didnt order him yo go to Ukraine, I thought his trip was cancelled, he has other clients."

No shock here. Rudi used to be a leader, perhaps he'll step up now and turn state's evidence.

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It actually looks worse. Not just distancing from Rudi, but perhaps hanging the entire Ukraine bribery/extortion exchange on Rudi. Won't work because the evidence all points to Trump, but if he tries, Rudi might turn over what he knows.

[Endus]

No shock here. Rudi used to be a leader, perhaps he'll step up now and turn state's evidence.

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It actually looks worse. Not just distancing from Rudi, but perhaps hanging the entire Ukraine bribery/extortion exchange on Rudi. Won't work because the evidence all points to Trump, but if he tries, Rudi might turn over what he knows.

Yep.

At this point, Giuliani can either accept his being scapegoated, and go down for bribery, extortion, treason against the USA, and other charges. Or he can hand what he knows over to Congress.

Before anyone bitches about attorney-client privilege; A> that could mean Giuliani gets disbarred, which is way preferable to criminal convictions from his point of view, and B> it doesn't even apply to Congressional subpoenas in the first place, and there's plenty of precedent on that point.

[Muzjhath]

Yep.

At this point, Giuliani can either accept his being scapegoated, and go down for bribery, extortion, treason against the USA, and other charges. Or he can hand what he knows over to Congress.

Before anyone bitches about attorney-client privilege; A> that could mean Giuliani gets disbarred, which is way preferable to criminal convictions from his point of view, and B> it doesn't even apply to Congressional subpoenas in the first place, and there's plenty of precedent on that point.

I also believe that it doesn't apply when you're commiting a felony.

[cubby]

Yep.

At this point, Giuliani can either accept his being scapegoated, and go down for bribery, extortion, treason against the USA, and other charges. Or he can hand what he knows over to Congress.

Before anyone bitches about attorney-client privilege; A> that could mean Giuliani gets disbarred, which is way preferable to criminal convictions from his point of view, and B> it doesn't even apply to Congressional subpoenas in the first place, and there's plenty of precedent on that point.

Unfortunately the attorney-client privilege isn't Rudi's to revoke. It's so strong in the U.S. that even if the client revokes it in writing, it's not enough unless the attorney also does so. Neither of which will happen in the case of Cheeto/Rudi.

What will have to happen is a ruling by a court saying that Rudi is no longer an attorney in the events at question, but in fact a co-conspirator, and therefore has pierced the a/c veil. Which is how they got Cohen.

[Clone]

I think I missed the last Soros meeting. What did we change Thanksgiving to?

Nothanksgiven, we have to make sure people become ungrateful to what the boomers have built.

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Beto dropped out of the race; or is there another Democrat candidate you're talking about?

I shit you not one of my coworkers voted for trump because "anything is better than Obama."

[Paranoid Android]

Yep.

At this point, Giuliani can either accept his being scapegoated, and go down for bribery, extortion, treason against the USA, and other charges. Or he can hand what he knows over to Congress.

Before anyone bitches about attorney-client privilege; A> that could mean Giuliani gets disbarred, which is way preferable to criminal convictions from his point of view, and B> it doesn't even apply to Congressional subpoenas in the first place, and there's plenty of precedent on that point.

The dilemma here is I think Rudi is just as corrupt as Trump. He was doing this all for himself by again like Manafort boasting he was close to the President. I mean all these accusations so far as many have stated, make Rudy worse than any crime boss he ever prosecuted. For whatever reason, divorce or just financial problem or simple greed, Rudy turned into a real corrupt person in his latter years. Now, while out for himself maybe he found an accomplice in Trump. Birds of a feather? Maybe them back in the NY days hanging around mobsters brought them closer together to pull this off.

Seems atm in a strange way, that Rudy remains loyal to Trump and whatever he did along with helping Trump, Rudy believes Trump has his back. IF Rudy turned yeah its GG. But maybe Rudy is dumb or smart enough to know to keep quiet and hope to be bailed out.

[ringpriest]

Yep.

At this point, Giuliani can either accept his being scapegoated, and go down for bribery, extortion, treason against the USA, and other charges. Or he can hand what he knows over to Congress.

Before anyone bitches about attorney-client privilege; A> that could mean Giuliani gets disbarred, which is way preferable to criminal convictions from his point of view, and B> it doesn't even apply to Congressional subpoenas in the first place, and there's plenty of precedent on that point.

Why would attorney-client privilege come into it? Trump just publicly said he didn't send Rudy to Ukraine - here's the relevant part of the transcript (and by 'transcript' I mean an actual word-for-word record of one criminal pervert talking to another criminal pervert, and not any sort of summary memorandum):

Bill O'Reilly: "I don't really care what he says, but what was Rudy Giuliani doing in Ukraine on your behalf?"

Trump: "Well, you have to ask that to Rudy, but Rudy, I don't, I don't even know. I know he was going to go to Ukraine and I think he canceled a trip. But, you know, Rudy has other clients other than me. I'm one person."

Bill O'Reilly: "So, you didn't direct him to go there on your behalf?"

Trump: "No, but but you have to understand, Rudy is a great corruption fighter. He's one of the greatest in the last 50 years. He was the greatest mayor in the history of the city of New York, by far, much better than Bloomberg. I mean, Bloomberg when he took it over, the crime was in great shape. I mean, Rudy did a great job as mayor.

"You know, when you think, I mean, he has to look, I mean, he felt, he felt personally insulted by what happened during my campaign because there were a lot of bad things happening and you know that better than anybody else. A lot of really bad things were happening during my campaign. In a way, it's a miracle that I won because with all of those horrible things with the media against, with the the dishonesty, the tremendous dishonesty.

"Then you hear about Google and Facebook and Twitter, everybody against and we won. I guess you could say it was a landslide in the Electoral College."



And in any case, it's not like Giuliani was working for Trump - Rudy says Trump wasn't paying him, he was getting paid from money-laundering Russian oligarchs and he was getting paid by an expat Venezuelan money-laundering oligarch, and used to be paid by a money-laundering(pdf link) Qatari Sheik Abdullah Bin Khalid al-Thani (who is believed to have sheltered 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheik Mohammed)... there's a long list of people who paid Rudy Giuliani, and it's made of up financial criminals, terrorist sympathizers, and resource-looting oligarchs (as opposed to the West's capitalist UHNWIs or China's neo-feudal mandarins) - who are, by what is doubtless sheer coincidence, the same class of people (in many cases, the same exact people, such as Russian-Ukranian oligarch (and wanted embezzeler ) Pavel Fuks) whom Donald Trump does business with.

[Tenlo]

Looks like Rudy is the latest victim of the trump bus.
"I didnt order him yo go to Ukraine, I thought his trip was cancelled, he has other clients."

That's so nice of Rudy's other clients to ask him to do Trump a solid! 10/10 would Rudy again

[Zan15]

Good news guys

GDP got increased from 1.9% to 2.1%
Business investment dropped at a 2.7% rate in the third quarter, rather than contracting at a 3.0% pace as previously reported
Whoot all those tax cut dollars being reinvested into the economy...umm.. trickling ….umm...down???


Inventories increased at a $79.8 billion pace instead of the $69.0 billion pace reported last month.
Whoot for GDP bump...ummm...for unsold goods.....

Oh and that massive govt spending bump...On the defense side, orders for capital goods such as ships soared nearly 17% and bookings for military aircraft and parts jumped 18%.



and since that report, orders for durable goods are up (even more massive govt military spending)

Orders for durable goods rose sharply in October, but most of the gain was tied to defense-related goods such as fighter jets and ships. Bookings for civilian products barely rose, highlighting ongoing softness in the industrial side of the economy that’s constraining U.S. growth.
Orders climbed 0.6% last month, the government said Wednesday. Economists surveyed by MarketWatch had forecast a 1.1% drop.
Yet if military hardware is stripped out, orders edged up just 0.1%.



Even better news GDP estimates have been upgraded!!!

The CNBC/Moody’s Analytic’s rapid update of economists forecasts showed a median increase of 0.1 percentage points to 1.8%
Atlanta Fed’s GDP Now forecaster now sees tracking fourth quarter GDP at 1.7%,


ONE...POINT...EIGHT...MAAAAAAAAAAGAAAAA

[pathora44]

I think I missed the last Soros meeting. What did we change Thanksgiving to?

Oh damn, you missed a great one but I can give you the cliff notes. Yes as @Dontrike said we are changing Thanksgiving to ThankSJWiving, we are removing all masculine pro-nouns from the English language, we are moving forward with our plans to displace every Conservative white Christian in America and replace them with either an LGTBQ person or a racial minority, and finally we are setting up the groundwork for replacing the Russian government with our Lizard people shadow agents. It was a really productive meeting and our refreshment committee ended the night with unborn fetus popplers and christian blood margaritas, it was so much fun.