Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Machismo]

i mean, it was the government's fault. the government was mostly right in this situation of course, but they did provoke the violence by not listening.

obviously rebellion isn't the first tool you go to. that's why we have speech. but speech is failing these days. it probably should have come to a head in virginia, but didn't. i only hope that it will when(there is no if) the need arises.

but anyway, i see trump's been talking about wanting to run against bloomberg. that'd be pretty funny, i'm sure trump would mock his height at some point. good memes are on the horizon at least.

Where were you Trumpsters when he banned bump stocks? Where were you when he called for gun confiscations?l

Meanwhile, the dudes in Virginia were calling for violence before the Democrats had even been elected.

[derpkitteh]

Where were you Trumpsters when he banned bump stocks? Where were you when he called for gun confiscations?l

Meanwhile, the dudes in Virginia were calling for violence before the Democrats had even been elected.

i've never been for the ban of bump stocks. not a single ban of any weapon or weapon accessory is constitutional, and every one of them should be reversed.

[Edge-]

i mean, it was the government's fault. the government was mostly right in this situation of course, but they did provoke the violence by not listening.

Again, no. I'm glad you think that being against slavery is "mostly right", at least, but I guess maybe you think slavery still has some value?

Also, still, no. They did listen. There was an election. The south lost that election. It's purely the fault of the rebellious southerners who fought a war of aggression to protect the institution of slavery, which wasn't even under threat in the existing states at the time but for new states. Not on the US government. The south shot first.

obviously rebellion isn't the first tool you go to. that's why we have speech. but speech is failing these days. it probably should have come to a head in virginia, but didn't. i only hope that it will when(there is no if) the need arises.

Again, we had an election. They lost. They got bitter. They decided that rather than accept the results and wait for the next election, they'd take up arms against the US government, making themselves traitors in the process.

Your grasp of history and civics is dubious at best.

good memes are on the horizon at least.

At least you're honest about how low you set the bar.

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i mean, it was the government's fault. the government was mostly right in this situation of course, but they did provoke the violence by not listening.

Again, no. I'm glad you think that being against slavery is "mostly right", at least, but I guess maybe you think slavery still has some value?

Also, still, no. They did listen. There was an election. The south lost that election. It's purely the fault of the rebellious southerners who fought a war of aggression to protect the institution of slavery, which wasn't even under threat in the existing states at the time but for new states. Not on the US government. The south shot first.

obviously rebellion isn't the first tool you go to. that's why we have speech. but speech is failing these days. it probably should have come to a head in virginia, but didn't. i only hope that it will when(there is no if) the need arises.

Again, we had an election. They lost. They got bitter. They decided that rather than accept the results and wait for the next election, they'd take up arms against the US government, making themselves traitors in the process.

Your grasp of history and civics is dubious at best.

good memes are on the horizon at least.

At least you're honest about how low you set the bar.

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i've never been for the ban of bump stocks. not a single ban of any weapon or weapon accessory is constitutional, and every one of them should be reversed.

https://lawcenter.giffords.org/gun-l...ond-amendment/

Again, you're painfully wrong. That's your opinion, but it's not backed up by repeated SCOTUS rulings.

[derpkitteh]

Again, you're painfully wrong. That's your opinion, but it's not backed up by repeated SCOTUS rulings.

SCOTUS isn't god. if they make a decision that flies in the face of the constitution, they're wrong. that's what they've done several times.

and i have to set the bar low if i want bloomberg to reach it.

[Machismo]

i've never been for the ban of bump stocks. not a single ban of any weapon or weapon accessory is constitutional, and every one of them should be reversed.

So, where's the calls for secession, or Trump's head on a pike?

You said:

"obviously rebellion isn't the first tool you go to. that's why we have speech. but speech is failing these days. it probably should have come to a head in virginia, but didn't. i only hope that it will when(there is no if) the need arises."

Why are you not calling for violent rebellion against Trump? Careful, your hypocrisy is showing. Fascist and violent is a nasty combination.

[eschatological]

SCOTUS isn't god. if they make a decision that flies in the face of the constitution, they're wrong. that's what they've done several times.

and i have to set the bar low if i want bloomberg to reach it.

SCOTUS rulings are law of the land. Even strict constructionists agree about this.

We live in a "legal positivism" legal framework.

[Edge-]

SCOTUS isn't god. if they make a decision that flies in the face of the constitution, they're wrong. that's what they've done several times.

They're the highest authority on the Constitutionality of laws. They're not infallible, but their rulings matter. If they make a ruling, it stands unless the Legislature decides to create new legislation that would invalidate the previous ruling.

[Endus]

it's founded in the fact of the most simple of truths, violence.

if a person comes to take your shit or make you do something, you strike them down. speech gives you the ability to tell them they'd better not try it, and the gun gives you the ability to strike at them when they inevitably do try it. y'all always want to come back with the "you'd never beat the army" shit, but it doesn't matter if you win. it matters that you make life so bad that it's not worth it for them to try becoming tyrannical.

do you think that the government would want to basically create iraq #2 in the homeland?

Except what you describe is explicitly not your right, in the USA. That threatening language is criminal. That "striking" is assualt with a deadly weapon, or murder, depending on the outcome.

The only way you can "make life so bad it's not worth it for them to try" is if you can literally resist arrest and maintain guerilla action, unchecked, despite all law enforcement trying to put a stop to your murderous rampage. You're describing domestic terrorism, as if it's constitutionally protected, and that's complete bullshit. It isn't. You're misrepresenting your rights.

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SCOTUS isn't god. if they make a decision that flies in the face of the constitution, they're wrong. that's what they've done several times.

and i have to set the bar low if i want bloomberg to reach it.

Literally the only body able to tell SCOTUS that its interpretation of law is "wrong", is SCOTUS. Not Congress, not the President, certainly not random nutters with an AR-15.

[Zan15]

Hey your in luck as I just took these pictures a few days ago because I wanted to show a friend the new "slim style" plan that was brought about the idea in "Trumpcare" where you don't expect to use it much but has a much higher deductible (the Focus plan)

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Benefits seem about normal nothing crazy as most people think congress gets.

Yikes Out of network care not covered.....

Welp since every surgery almost always includes an out of network anesthesiologist....GG saving money.

So the "skinny" plan is basically the old 1980-1990 catastrophic care plans where you pay a lot less upfront...and a shit ton if anything happens.


The hospital stuff is scarrrrryyyyy.. 30%. That's sure rolling the dice.
If you get pregnant you owe 1500 dollars + 30%.

Better hope they get pregnant close to open enrollment...lol

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i'm not a republican because i'm not a fiscal conservative really. i want medicaid for all and universal basic income. i just think that there's no way to have those things with an open border, which is basically what you people want, too much immigration.

Maybe I missed it, but who was the democrat running that is pushing for open boarders I always love staying informed....i mean you responded quite a number of times maybe i am sleepy and missed it??

[Breccia]

While I'd love to blame trump for problems with pharmacy this one probably doesn't have much to do with him.

Sort of, but three things.

1) Trump promised to bring down drug prices. The article says, no, he hasn't done anything at all about that. Trump lied.

2) Trump has, as illustrated earlier, threatened to cut Medicaid funding. Anything that cuts medical funding will take the problem, even if Trump didn't make the problem, and make it worse.

3) And regardless of whose fault it was, Trump is responsible when he does nothing to help. Trump doesn't cause hurricanes, but he does cause the recovery to be worse by withholding funding, for example.

[Belize]

TIL Paris is in Germany.

Who knew geography could be so complicated.

[Wyrt]

it is from the rights to speech and guns that other rights flow.

lol

It's the right in the US that is fighting free speech. Constantly. Every time someone says something stupid, and then gets reactions, the right wants to silence those reactions.

Right wing freedom of speech is: "You can say whatever you want, but if someone reacts to what you said it's an outrage!"

The Right is also still very much the religious conservative "Censor everything that's against my religion" party it's always been.

[Breccia]

*ahem*

Two lawmakers in Sweden have nominated Swedish teenage climate activist Greta Thunberg for the 2020 Nobel Peace Prize.

Just throwing that out there. I'd say this nomination was a kick in the balls for Trump, but I'm not sure anyone wants to tag Putin in the chin by accident.

[Edge-]

https://abovethelaw.com/2020/01/judg...express-order/

What's going on now? Not much, just the Barr led DoJ flagrantly ignoring judicial orders and not even pretending to try.

[Santti]

*ahem*

Two lawmakers in Sweden have nominated Swedish teenage climate activist Greta Thunberg for the 2020 Nobel Peace Prize.

Just throwing that out there. I'd say this nomination was a kick in the balls for Trump, but I'm not sure anyone wants to tag Putin in the chin by accident.

How long before Trump tweets how unfair it is, how Nobel Prize is a sham anyway because Obama, and how Trump is making his own "Trump Peace Prize". With blackjack and hookers.

[Paranoid Android]

Video of Trump goofing around during National Anthem before the Super Bowl was "included in an Instagram story by a real estate agent for a Russian-American firm who frequents Mar-a-Lago and other Trump properties and events." https://t.co/OgYGBewiKn

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1...287431168?s=19

RESPECT THE ANTHEM! Amirite Trumpkins?

[Edge-]

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1...287431168?s=19

RESPECT THE ANTHEM! Amirite Trumpkins?

This, as with everything else, doesn't matter.

[Santti]

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1...287431168?s=19

RESPECT THE ANTHEM! Amirite Trumpkins?

Imagine if he was kneeling. Or wore a tan suit!

[pathora44]

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1...287431168?s=19

RESPECT THE ANTHEM! Amirite Trumpkins?

Woah woah WOAH, wait a minute right here. This is a white male Republican who is the Cheetos encrusted God Emperor. He can act like a bored 5 year old all he wants AND YOU WILL RESPECT HIM!!!!!!!!!!!! You socialist loving un-American, you!

[Orbitus]

i've never been for the ban of bump stocks. not a single ban of any weapon or weapon accessory is constitutional, and every one of them should be reversed.

We can tell you aren't a constitutional lawyer. Because SCOTUS upheld the bans on a lot of the things that people have banned like full auto weapons in the 80s thanks to Saint Reagan.

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SCOTUS isn't god. if they make a decision that flies in the face of the constitution, they're wrong. that's what they've done several times.

and i have to set the bar low if i want bloomberg to reach it.

They are the ultimate arbiter on what is and what isn't constitutional though.