Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Paranoid Android]

It's not uncommon for some viruses to be seasonal and dissipate in warmer months. God forbid that Trump hopes that this particular virus is one of those strains!

Oh my God!!!

What is wrong with you people?

Trump, Feb. 10: “And by the way, the virus. … It looks like by April, you know in theory, when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away — I hope that’s true. But we’re doing great in our country. China, I spoke with President Xi, and they’re working very, very hard. And I think it’s going to all work out fine. Rough stuff, I tell you, rough, rough stuff. But I think it’s going to work out good. We only have 11 cases, and they’re all getting better.

The president first referenced the weather potentially helping with the outbreak in an early morning tweet on Feb. 7, when he said he had just spoken on the phone with President Xi Jinping of China.

“Nothing is easy,” Trump said, but Xi “will be successful, especially as the weather starts to warm & the virus hopefully becomes weaker, and then gone.”



The dumbshit had to clarify his stupid comment 3 days later it seems. His first comment was that it gets warm the virus dies. I can't believe you follow this effen moron. He made a stupid and recklesss comment yet you still back him. He had to make a new statement which he more or less doubled down.

Heat kills viruses and you believe Trump? Trump is an expert on virology? He pulled that out of his fat ass with nobody backing up his statement.

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BY THE WAY, If Pencei is actually "in charge"...how has he handled similar situations in the past?...apparently "not well"

https://www.indystar.com/story/news/...na/4890988002/

I'm going to be a major cynic here and say Pence didn't give a shit about the Aids outbreak since yunno, the stigma of it within the LGBTQ community. With that I bet quite a few behind the scenes were not upset at all.

[RangerDaz]

It's not uncommon for some viruses to be seasonal and dissipate in warmer months. God forbid that Trump hopes that this particular virus is one of those strains!

Oh my God!!!

What is wrong with you people?

Trump, Feb. 10: “And by the way, the virus. … It looks like by April, you know in theory, when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away — I hope that’s true. But we’re doing great in our country. China, I spoke with President Xi, and they’re working very, very hard. And I think it’s going to all work out fine. Rough stuff, I tell you, rough, rough stuff. But I think it’s going to work out good. We only have 11 cases, and they’re all getting better.

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I'm truly sorry that this is so hard for you to understand.

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It's incredibly dishonest for you to omit all the context. But, if it's any consolation, I understand why you did it. Long live the bubble!

You do know that in the southern hemisphere it is summer time, and that there are already corona virus infections there?

[Edge-]

@DocSavageFan

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/w...on-coronavirus

As fears grow of a politicized White House response to the coronavirus outbreak, the White House has placed Vice President in charge of messaging about the virus, the New York Times reported Thursday.

Pence, who Trump said Wednesday night would be the White House point person on the outbreak, will clear public health officials’ statements on the virus, the Times reported citing several unnamed people familiar with the matter.

The White House also announced Thursday that top economic adviser Larry Kudlow, along with the surgeon general and the Treasury secretary, would join the White House Coronavirus Task Force.

Public health officials — rather than Trump loyalists like Kudlow — have been praised for speaking bluntly about the virus.

For example, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infections Diseases, Anthony Fauci, has spoken openly about the timetables for vaccines and therapies for coronavirus. While progress has been quick according to epidemiological standards, Fauci has repeatedly been clear that a vaccine is at least 12-18 months away. Trump, meanwhile, has simply said that vaccines are on the way “rapidly.”

Fauci has told associates that he’d been instructed by the White House not to say anything else without clearance, the Times reported Thursday.

Two bits -

1. Kudlow has been one of the corona virus cheerleaders, saying how it will help the US economy.

2. So again, we're having politicians control science to ensure that the science doesn't contradict their political messages.

This has happened before. It's dangerous. It's reckless. It's irresponsible.

[Breccia]

I'm going to be a major cynic here and say Pence didn't give a shit about the Aids outbreak since yunno, the stigma of it within the LGBTQ community. With that I bet quite a few behind the scenes were not upset at all.

It's equally cynical to say "Team Trump is taking the Caronavirus seriously, now that the stock market is falling".

By the way, the stock market is dropping because, amongst other reasons, companies are going to lose business because of this. This makes the companies less valuable and therefore their stock less valuable. The sixty Americans who have gotten sick, and that includes the one that died, did not put a dent in the stock market. It's not about the number of people sick in the USA, well, not really.

Stopping the Cahonesvirsus from going full flu-level murder spread in the US is a worthy goal, and I'm glad what's left of the CDC is on the case, as well as state and local officials. But even 100% erasing it within US borders forever isn't getting that lost business back. Now, Trump might use that as an excuse when he has to defend his horrible record for the upcoming election. He's welcome to try. If he had delivered on his earlier promises -- including a growing economy -- this wouldn't be as big of an issue. But it's not like he had 3% GDP growth before this, either. It's not like he was outpacing Obama's stock market before this, either. Trump campaigned and ran against Obama's economy and his was worse even before this took a chunk out of it, leaving him with a major deficit and 3 miles of Pelosi's flower garden to show for it.

You can make results, or you can make excuses. Also, wash your hands with hot sudsy water.

[kaid]

Oh, you forget: Pence is a career politician. No way does he go down that easily. He's already placed someone else in charge.



Pence was in charge under 24 hours before going "Nope!" and appointing someone with actual credentials. Good ones, actually.

Now, call it a hunch, but I get the feeling someone out there might say "Well good thing Pence was in charge so he could appoint someone qualified!" Before they say that, um, you might want to read that back. Because that would be an admission Trump intentionally put someone in charge that wasn't qualified.

Specifically. Directly. Publicly.

As much as I loath pence he at least is a more traditional type politician who at least has some understanding of getting semi competent staff. Also any mitigating effect this may have also is pretty much negated by Trump being a constant wild card. If things start getting bad he is going to chuck as many underlings under whatever busses he can find so any competence this pick may have is negated by their inability to actually control anything without trump throwing it all into chaos in whatever various frenzied panic he finds himself in.

[Breccia]

Kudlow has been one of the corona virus cheerleaders, saying how it will help the US economy.

HAHAHAHHAHAHA

*deep breath*

MUAHAHAHAHAHA

I've already posted on this, but, pretty much every indicator has cut their Q1 2020 GDP predictions by 0.2% or more.

This is a trillion dollar problem. There is nothing about the world losing a trillion dollars that will somehow work out in the US's favor.

[Thepersona]

Dow is plummeting again. Even if it goes up, it's still bad, as nobody likes volatile markets. The brokers and operators even less, as they are as skittish as... well, racoons.

[Breccia]

As much as I loath pence he at least is a more traditional type politician who at least has some understanding of getting semi competent staff.

Indeed. Even a quick glance at the timeline proves this.

Jan 22->Yesterday: Trump goes from "Just one person, we're fine" to "just 11 people, we're fine" to "April, we're fine" to "stock market looks good to me!" to "we're going to get this under control" to "You know what, Pence has this."

Yesterday->Today: Pence immediately puts a qualified doctor in charge.

[Edge-]

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...-arpaio-117918

Womp womp, federal courts again told Arpaio that a pardon doesn't wipe out his criminal history, just the punishment.

"The final judgment entered in this case was a dismissal with prejudice, and the district court’s findings of fact and conclusions of law played no role in that dismissal,"

[szechuan]

Heat kills viruses and you believe Trump? Trump is an expert on virology? He pulled that out of his fat ass with nobody backing up his statement.

Funny how he doesn't talk about how hypocritical and idiotic the Republican party has gotten where they think the Democratic Party is trying to spread Fear of the Coronavirus to allegedly take down Trump when the Republicans are the ones spreading fear and conspiracy.

And now Trump wants to control the messaging because of the Stocks and Trumps Reelection, pathetic and completely deplorable.


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/u...rus-pence.html

[Zan15]

Doing some light reading this morning there seems to be as mich fear from investors coming out now that it may also be that Bernie may be getting the nomination and fears are also coming from that. Healthcare is trending badly right now and that would not correspond with a sickness being the reason its dropping.

Welp nice try but Healthcare is trending badly because the impact to them is about the same.
No one is trading stocks right now based on whom will get the democratic nod....if they are they are about 8 months short of being a non-retard

One who listens to biased media would think healthcare should be ready to make a killing but here's the thing.....Healthcare relies on supplies and the biggest fear in this virus is the shut down of the global trade and supplies of goods sold. Can't make tons of money when you got nothing to sell and nothing to support your services you sell.

Also Health insurance is based on Utilization and predictive premiums. None of the MCR's (medical cost ratio's) have factored in a pandemic and they don't have the reserves to cover this kind of loss. It will takes years of increases to make up for the huge hit they will take if a spread happens.


On top of all this, you still have 40 million + people without insurance. even if .5% of them get the flu, you will be talking about 200-250k+ people hitting the ER with no ability to turn them away because of Federal law these hospitals will end up with huge unpaid bad debt and have to cover the cost till the long tern collection process is done.


No one in healthcare wants this, not even the greedy

[zorkuus]

And now Trump wants to control the messaging because of the Stocks and Trumps Reelection, pathetic and completely deplorable.

Can't stop that propaganda train just because people's lives are at risk.

[Draco-Onis]

You do know that in the southern hemisphere it is summer time, and that there are already corona virus infections there?

Stop using logic on Trump supporters they are allergic to it.

[Edge-]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...-lets-go-tape/

Steve Scalise is trying to rewrite history on the Ebola outbreak, claiming that Republicans worked with Obama and didn't use it for political gain.

Unsurprisingly, he's wrong.

[D Luniz]

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...-arpaio-117918

Womp womp, federal courts again told Arpaio that a pardon doesn't wipe out his criminal history, just the punishment.

which Im sure Trump had finally been taught by his legal team, so now he pardons everyone but the people that the moment they cant go "I cant say under my 5th amendment right" might actually face subpoenas with teeth, would rather testify than go back to prison

[DocSavageFan]

@DocSavageFan

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/w...on-coronavirus



Two bits -

1. Kudlow has been one of the corona virus cheerleaders, saying how it will help the US economy.

2. So again, we're having politicians control science to ensure that the science doesn't contradict their political messages.

This has happened before. It's dangerous. It's reckless. It's irresponsible.

Citation please for Kudlow statement indicating that the coronavirus will be good for the economy.

If anyone is being dangerous, reckless and irresponsible...perhaps it's you.

[Fugus]

@Breccia

Still getting caught up and off topic, but when you referenced Lindsay Graham's wife, all I could picture was Slave from South Park.

[szechuan]

If anyone is being dangerous, reckless and irresponsible...perhaps it's you.

Says the person who sides with people Spreading Xenophibic Fears and Conspiracy about the Virus.

[mvaliz]

@Breccia

Still getting caught up and off topic, but when you referenced Lindsay Graham's wife, all I could picture was Slave from South Park.

I hope like Mr. Slave, whomever his "wife" is moves on to a better man than him. :P

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https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...-arpaio-117918

Womp womp, federal courts again told Arpaio that a pardon doesn't wipe out his criminal history, just the punishment.

Well, there's SOME good news at least. Unfortunately that really doesn't matter to a retired person. =/

If you can correct me on that - I would LOVE to know if it still effects hem somehow! ^_^

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Dow is plummeting again. Even if it goes up, it's still bad, as nobody likes volatile markets. The brokers and operators even less, as they are as skittish as... well, racoons.

I'm waiting for the moment Dump claims the Coronavirus was invented by the Democrats.

[DocSavageFan]

Posting this in the hope that some may be interested.

The U.S. ranks #1 overall on the Global Health Security Index
https://www.ghsindex.org/wp-content/...rity-Index.pdf

Overall: #1
Prevention: #1
Detection and Reporting: #1
Rapid Response: #2
Health System: #1
Compliance with International Norms: #1
Risk Environment: #19