Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Orbitus]

Oh, so are we back to you caring about poll numbers?

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...s/?cid=rrpromo

45.3%, not 47.1%, but you don't care about that, only whichever supports your beliefs. This is the first time he's cracked 45%, which is laughably bad.

Even Rasmussen, Trump's personal ball fluffers, aren't rating him very high.

[alexw]

Apparently Canada is smuggling massive amounts of Steel into the US. How this is possible I do not know. I also don't know what the Army is supposed to do about it. I am also unclear as to why this is a priority right now.

I am chalking that weird rant about Canadian Steel to be a typical Trump response to a question he wasn't prepared for, where he just recites all his recent grudges with something the question reminded him of.

So who the hell knows why we are sending our military to the Canadian border.

That last sentence may be one of the most terrifying sentences I have ever written.

He's going to invade Canada as a distraction technique?

[PhaelixWW]

Ugh.

Trump, in his address tonight:

A lot of good things are happening. The mortality rate is at a, in my opinion, you'll have to speak to Deborah, Tony, all of the others, but in my opinion, it's way, way down, and that takes a lot of fear out, you know. It's one thing to have it; it's another thing to die. You know, when I first got involved, I was being told numbers that were much, much higher than, than the number that seems to be.

...excuse me, what?

The global CFR right now, as I type this, is over 4.5%. The rate for closed cases is 16.3%. Those numbers have only gone up.

Even though the US number is lower, at only 1.4%, that's entirely due to huge increases of case counts from expanded testing, which Trump even admitted earlier in the presser; when asked about passing China as the country with the highest count of infected, his response was:

It's a tribute to our testing.

I'm definitely tired of Trump's brand of "winning".

[Thekri]

He's going to invade Canada as a distraction technique?

Probably not. Just terrifying in the context that the state of our government is so bizarre and bad that we are sending the military to the Canadian border for absolutely no reason, and nobody can really explain why.

It is still sometimes surreal to stop and think of what sort of absurdity we have normalized at this point.

[D Luniz]

Probably not. Just terrifying in the context that the state of our government is so bizarre and bad that we are sending the military to the Canadian border for absolutely no reason, and nobody can really explain why.

It is still sometimes surreal to stop and think of what sort of absurdity we have normalized at this point.

he likes to claim we'll take or keep people's oil.
Station the Mounties at the Tar Sands!!! /s

[Draco-Onis]

Probably not. Just terrifying in the context that the state of our government is so bizarre and bad that we are sending the military to the Canadian border for absolutely no reason, and nobody can really explain why.

It is still sometimes surreal to stop and think of what sort of absurdity we have normalized at this point.

It is terrifying when things get worse which they will with the virus what crazy scheme will Trump pull to distract from people dying every day and our hospitals looking like Italy.

[Thepersona]

Ugh.

Trump, in his address tonight:


...excuse me, what?

The global CFR right now, as I type this, is over 4.5%. The rate for closed cases is 16.3%. Those numbers have only gone up.

Even though the US number is lower, at only 1.4%, that's entirely due to huge increases of case counts from expanded testing, which Trump even admitted earlier in the presser; when asked about passing China as the country with the highest count of infected, his response was:


I'm definitely tired of Trump's brand of "winning".

It's important to know that CFR is not the same as IFR. There're probably 3-10 times as many cases of COVID-19 as the reported ones. If preliminary data is to be believed, the R0 is way higher than anticipated, but most cases are benign. Remember that there's a massive underreporting of cases.

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/global...atality-rates/

[Breccia]

We're #1! We're #1.

We also went from "1,000 cases" last night to "1,200" in under 24 hours. The good news? That's a lower rate of death increase than March 14-25. The bad news? It's still 20% in 24 hours.

[Sorshen]

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1243355519818928128

"I don't believe you need 40,000 or 30,000 ventilators. You know, you go to major hospitals, sometimes they have 2 ventilators."

This guy's insane...

[cubby]

It's important to know that CFR is not the same as IFR. There're probably 3-10 times as many cases of COVID-19 as the reported ones. If preliminary data is to be believed, the R0 is way higher than anticipated, but most cases are benign. Remember that there's a massive underreporting of cases.

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/global...atality-rates/

Is there any good info on the R0?

The number of unreported cases might be astronomical.

[Thepersona]

Is there any good info on the R0?

The number of unreported cases might be astronomical.

https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/

look for info there. It's a repository for info, w/o the doomer stuff that plagues the main covid sub.
Some good snippets:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....23.20039446v2 (speaks about the high transisibility of the virus)

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....24.20042218v1

This is VERY preliminary. But it shows that the cases seem to be orders of magnitude higher than the reported ones, and the vast majority of ppl never develop any significant symptom

I will say this until i'm tired: We NEED antibody testing. If people have the antibodies, but show no symptoms for 3 days, they can go to work.

[PhaelixWW]

Is there any good info on the R0?

The number of unreported cases might be astronomical.

They're not astronomical.

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I will say this until i'm tired: We NEED antibody testing. If people have the antibodies, but show no symptoms for 3 days, they can go to work.

More like 21 days, not 3 days.

[Thepersona]

More like 21 days, not 3 days.

I mean, if they show no signs of the virus but show antibodies.

[PhaelixWW]

I mean, if they show no signs of the virus but show antibodies.

People can be asymptomatic the whole time they're contagious.

[cubby]

They're not astronomical.

You have no basis for this statement.

[PhaelixWW]

You have no basis for this statement.

Sure I do. Tests are still coming back mostly (85-95%) negative. And that's even considering that they only test people they think are likely infected. If the numbers were "astronomical", we'd be seeing more than 5-15% positive results.

[cubby]

Sure I do. Tests are still coming back mostly (85-95%) negative. And that's even considering that they only test people they think are likely infected. If the numbers were "astronomical", we'd be seeing more than 5-15% positive results.

But they aren't testing any significant portion of the populace - at least here in the U.S. India is locked down, no testing there. My only point is that we lack the info to make any significantly accurate statements about how many people are getting it. The data so far is "we need more - it's too varied". I mean, if I'm misunderstanding the links, help me out - I'll be the first to admit I was wrong.

I'm not challenging you, just seeking truth/fact from what little we know so far.

Btw - we're into board games as a family, this is just random - and we played the cooperative game Pandemic (we've played it before, too). Had a lot more "meaning" this time around.

[Zaydin]

Well, in another whinefest for Trump with Sean Inanity, Trump declared that he thinks that Andrew Cuomo is exaggerating the number of ventilators New York needs and does not understand why hospitals suddenly need so many of them.

Trump is a sociopath with zero capability for empathy towards anyone else. Wonder how our local Trump supporters will defend and justify this and what his 'Well, what he REALLY meant was..." explanation will be.

Trump is an existential threat to the United States due to his repeated refusal to lead the country and reveling in his ignorance.

[Thepersona]

Sure I do. Tests are still coming back mostly (85-95%) negative. And that's even considering that they only test people they think are likely infected. If the numbers were "astronomical", we'd be seeing more than 5-15% positive results.

That's why we need antibody testing. That way we know with full certainty how many people got infected and then got over the virus fast.

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People can be asymptomatic the whole time they're contagious.

I know that. I think i phrased my sentence badly. I was trying to mean that people that show antibodies, while testing negative for the virus (2 or 3 times) can go to work.

[Breccia]

Trump is a sociopath with zero capability for empathy towards anyone else.

Now hold on, before you go that route, you should read this wonderful, perfect letter he totally wrote himself to the nation's governors. In this letter, he announces his plan to divide the country up into high, medium, and low risk sections.

And then, he will directly issue instructions based on their risk factors.

Which is a nice way of saying "stop social distancing and get back to work".

And before you make your final conclusion on whether Trump is treating people as human beings or ways to make his money numbers go up, read this line:

There is still a long battle ahead, but our efforts are already paying dividends.