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    Quote Originally Posted by Fincayra View Post
    do continue your echo chamber.
    What Trump said:

    A lot of people will have this and it’s very mild. They’ll get better very rapidly. They don’t even see a doctor, they don’t even call a doctor. You never hear about those people. So you can’t put them down in the category of the overall population in terms of this corona flu and/or virus. So you just can’t do that. So, if you know, we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work. Some of them go to work, but they get better.
    What Trump should have said:

    Do not go to work, school or public areas. Avoid using public transportation, ride-sharing or taxis
    Let's review.

    1) Trump said "corona flu". I recommend doing a search for the exact term "corona flu". I suspect you'll get 90% links to that video and 10% something about horses.

    2) Trump does not use the word "transmit". Not in that clip, anyhow. Feel free to find the full interview, by the way, and point out where he says people could transmit it. But it did not happen in that clip.

    2a)
    You can find more of the same interview here
    . In that same interview, Trump calls the death rate given by the WHO, let me say that again, the WHO, a "false number". Based on, as he says, a "hunch". He then says it's based on talking with a lot of people, who he does not name, as he has done with lie after lie after lie after lie after...

    But no, really, listen to the interview. Listen for the word "transmit" or any synonym. Trump does not use it. You did, but Trump did not.

    2b) He also says someone died in New York. I'd like to see the citation of that, too. Because that'd be the first we'd heard of it.

    2c) Also also in that interview, Trump gives correct numbers for flu deaths, and says "I never knew that until six or eight weeks ago". As you can easily see by reviewing this very thread, no, he didn't, it's more recent than that. This is also a startling admission of lack of knowledge of an anti-vaxxer who ran the country during a measles epidemic.

    3) What kind of psychopath asshole goes to work, thinking they have the flu? The flu spreads like wildfire and kills people. Which Trump admits in that same interview.

    4) If you listen to that clip, or the full interview, Trump calls out the WHO for basing their fatality numbers on only people who go to the doctor or hospital. In other words, he's suggesting the largest and best respected medical organization we have of not knowing how to do their job. After he admits he had no idea how many people died to the flu until this very year.

    5) Feel free to listen to the entire interview and find the part where Trump says "do not go to work if you have the corona virus". Or any version thereof. Please quote what he said, if he said it. Because until you find that, if Trump says "people with the coronavirus go to work" but does not say "and they should not", what you have is Trump saying it's okay.

    6) Trump tried to use, as evidence, flu fatality percents to validate his hunch. Which is a poor idea. The New York Times reports --

    "Paywall".

    Fine, this site quotes it. Every single piece of information collected so far by actual research by actual scientists confirm the coronavirus is both more lethal, and spreads more easily, than the flu.

    And arguably most importantly:

    7) Please be careful about using the term "echo chamber" when you're discussing Trump doing an interview with Hannity.

    Let me make this absolutely clear: the second quote, listed above? That's from the CDC. If you have the coronavirus, do not go to work. For the record, they also say this:

    If you are sick with flu-like illness, CDC recommends that you stay home for at least 24 hours after your fever is gone except to get medical care or for other necessities. Your fever should be gone without the use of fever-reducing medicine.

    If you have either illness, and you enter public spaces, you are risking the lives of other people. Do not do this. Do not handwave this because "hunch".

    No-one is above the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paranoid Android View Post
    https://twitter.com/Politidope/statu...931066880?s=19

    Audio in link.

    My goodness, this idiot. You should listen, it is 35 seconds.

    While I won't take the quote above too literal, it does have Trump again believing coronavirus is a mild illness that if you 'feel' better you should go to work.

    Actually he rambles and makes no sense is another way. He is an idiot.
    My attempt at a transcript (difficult because of Trump's speech patterns):
    A lot of people will have this and it's very mild, they'll get better rapidly, they don't even see a doctor, they don't even call a doctor, you never hear about those people. So, you can't put them in the category of the overall population in terms of this corona flu (or virus), you just can't do that. So if we have thousands or hundreds of thousands that just get better by sitting around or even going to work, some of them go to work, but they get better...
    I don't know how an honest person could read that verbiage as saying "it's OK to go to work with coronavirus". This reads much more like "lots of healthy people aren't that heavily affected, they don't even know they have coronavirus, so they just kind of work through it and get better". Based on everything we know about the virus at present, this is likely basically accurate - young, healthy people mostly won't experience this as a severe disease and wouldn't be inclined to take time off.

    Of course good epidemiologic practice during an outbreak would be telling people to exercise an abundance of caution at the moment to slow the spread and buy more time for better treatments, to make sure bed space is available for vulnerable populations and so on.

    That clip doesn't actually say what people seem to be claiming it says though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    My attempt at a transcript (difficult because of Trump's speech patterns):

    I don't know how an honest person could read that verbiage as saying "it's OK to go to work with coronavirus". This reads much more like "lots of healthy people aren't that heavily affected, they don't even know they have coronavirus, so they just kind of work through it and get better". Based on everything we know about the virus at present, this is likely basically accurate - young, healthy people mostly won't experience this as a severe disease and wouldn't be inclined to take time off.

    Of course good epidemiologic practice during an outbreak would be telling people to exercise an abundance of caution at the moment to slow the spread and buy more time for better treatments, to make sure bed space is available for vulnerable populations and so on.

    That clip doesn't actually say what people seem to be claiming it says though.
    This is the left's biggest problem, they fall over themselves to make a fool out of Trump, but in their eagerness they end up undercutting their own attack. Happens all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacien View Post
    This is the left's biggest problem, they fall over themselves to make a fool out of Trump, but in their eagerness they end up undercutting their own attack. Happens all the time.
    This is great. coming from someone that just "fell over themself" trying to make a fool of Biden.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacien View Post
    This is the left's biggest problem, they fall over themselves to make a fool out of Trump, but in their eagerness they end up undercutting their own attack. Happens all the time.
    It's not all that hard to make a fool out of Trump, he does it to himself constantly. Remember, based on his own words, April will kill the virus.

    But do go on about how this proves "the left" does this all the time. All the while you worship a man that got rid of the people that could help in this situation and put an anti-science vice president to lead a task force into solving the virus.

    Would you like to keep going?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    My attempt at a transcript (difficult because of Trump's speech patterns):

    I don't know how an honest person could read that verbiage as saying "it's OK to go to work with coronavirus". This reads much more like "lots of healthy people aren't that heavily affected, they don't even know they have coronavirus, so they just kind of work through it and get better". Based on everything we know about the virus at present, this is likely basically accurate - young, healthy people mostly won't experience this as a severe disease and wouldn't be inclined to take time off.

    Of course good epidemiologic practice during an outbreak would be telling people to exercise an abundance of caution at the moment to slow the spread and buy more time for better treatments, to make sure bed space is available for vulnerable populations and so on.

    That clip doesn't actually say what people seem to be claiming it says though.
    I can. The POTUS is saying that you can go to work when symptoms stop being obvious, and the global epidemiological community will tell you its not the case. Stop defending blatant ignorance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacien View Post
    This is the left's biggest problem, they fall over themselves to make a fool out of Trump, but in their eagerness they end up undercutting their own attack. Happens all the time.
    Nope, Trump owns all of the bullshit and lies he says on a daily basis. It's not my problem you want to keep shilling for a guy who would have no qualms of throwing you under the bus, just as he has done to generals, gold star families, the disabled, immigrants, women, etc. etc. etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    My attempt at a transcript (difficult because of Trump's speech patterns):

    I don't know how an honest person could read that verbiage as saying "it's OK to go to work with coronavirus". This reads much more like "lots of healthy people aren't that heavily affected, they don't even know they have coronavirus, so they just kind of work through it and get better". Based on everything we know about the virus at present, this is likely basically accurate - young, healthy people mostly won't experience this as a severe disease and wouldn't be inclined to take time off.

    Of course good epidemiologic practice during an outbreak would be telling people to exercise an abundance of caution at the moment to slow the spread and buy more time for better treatments, to make sure bed space is available for vulnerable populations and so on.

    That clip doesn't actually say what people seem to be claiming it says though.
    A lot of people will have this and it's very mild, they'll get better rapidly, they don't even see a doctor, they don't even call a doctor, you never hear about those people. So, you can't put them in the category of the overall population in terms of this corona flu (or virus), you just can't do that. So if we have thousands or hundreds of thousands that just get better by sitting around or even going to work, some of them go to work, but they get better...
    pretty sure it says exactly what people think/know it says as it’s objectively visible/audible.

    People get the virus and get sick. Rather than taking time off of work, they go to work anyway. They are going to work WHILE BEING SICK. This is an issue with how businesses in America work where people don’t have the rights that they should to take time off when sick and still receive pay. Trump doesn’t attempt to discourage this behavior, of going to work sick.

    If you are sick, especially when there is a fucking epidemic(potentially pandemic), go to the fucking doctor, don’t go to work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    I swear people told me Trump was meant to be intelligent.
    He was meant to be but he didn't turn out to be. "This one's on me, sorry" -God

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    Quote Originally Posted by zorkuus View Post
    He was meant to be but he didn't turn out to be. "This one's on me, sorry" -God
    For crying out loud, God!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    I don't know how an honest person could read that verbiage as saying "it's OK to go to work with coronavirus".
    You are going to find this a hard sell, when

    1) You use "honest person" when you are defending someone who claims they know more about the coronavirus effects than the WHO. See above post. Already, you're defending a liar.

    2) Trump, as you quoted, is saying people are going to work but does not actually say "don't do that".

    For reference, here are two quotes:

    Children play in the street all the time
    Children play in the street all the time, but they shouldn't, because that's dangerous
    Now: which of the two looks like encouragement or endorsement?

    Feel free to find and listen to and transcribe the whole interview. Find the part where Trump warns about the danger of people going to work with the flu, the coronavirus, the corona flu, or anything remotely like any of those.

    Remember: the CDC said "stay home" if you have the flu, or the coronavirus. Trump went on a public interview and said people were going to work, without attaching said caution. Even if you want to hide behind "he didn't specifically say they should go to work" you're hiding behind a technicality and admitting Trump handled it poorly. But until them, remember you're saying "honest person" while defending Trump, who called the WHO's research "false numbers". You're already in the hole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    I swear people told me Trump was meant to be intelligent.
    His ego gets in the way. Even the most intelligent person on the planet doesn't know everything. Trump just can't stand the idea that he doesn't know something that he's apparently OK with sounding like a complete fucking idiot when talking about things that are completely out of his depth, and acting like complete idiot by getting rid of people who DO more than he does about things out of his depth.

    So yeah....whether or not he's intelligent, or has a high IQ, I think is irrelevant. He's an idiot.

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    While Trump spent last night lying about the "corona flu", let's talk about something other than his lies: his failures.

    Pompeo: Increase in Afghanistan violence after deal with Taliban 'unacceptable'

    Yep.

    The Afghan government has rejected a provision in the U.S.-Taliban agreement that requires it to release up to 5,000 Taliban prisoners ahead of negotiations to reconcile the Taliban and the Afghan government. In exchange, the Taliban would release 1,000 Afghan government prisoners.

    “While a reduction in violence is paramount, we also continue to press all sides to stop posturing and start a practical discussion about prisoner releases,” Pompeo said Thursday. “Knuckle down and prepare for the upcoming intra-Afghan negotiations.”

    In a message to all Afghans, Pompeo added: “Do not squander this opportunity.”

    Even as Pompeo criticized the increase in violence, he insisted senior Taliban leaders remain committed to their deal with the United States.

    “I can’t say much about what we’ve seen the Taliban do ... but we have seen senior Taliban leadership working diligently to reduce violence from previous levels during similar time periods,” Pompeo said. “So we still have confidence the Taliban leadership is working to deliver on its commitments. We’re working to deliver on ours.”

    He also insisted the Trump administration is “not naive” and that it knows “everything’s got to be verified.”
    EDIT: Sorry, I should have added for context: the Taliban have already ruled out any further talks unless those prisoners are released. To date, the Afghani government has said nothing even remotely like agreement to such terms.

    But we're not done.

    Pompeo says Iran must be held accountable on nuclear commitments

    Pompeo told a State Department news conference that all nations must hold Iran accountable under the global nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), which has been the foundation of global nuclear arms control since the Cold War.

    “Iran’s intentional failure to declare such nuclear material, as reported by the IAEA this week, would constitute a clear violation of its safeguards agreements required by the NPT,” Pompeo said.

    “The regime must immediately cooperate with the IAEA and fully comply with its IAEA safeguards obligations. All nations must hold Iran accountable to its commitments, otherwise, the NPT isn’t worth the paper that is written on.”

    Iran warned in January it would withdraw from the NPT if European nations referred Iran to the U.N. Security Council over its alleged violations of a 2015 nuclear deal with world powers.
    So, yeah. Iran's threatening to leave the Non-Proliferation Treaty, because Trump unilaterally ended the Iran Nuclear Deal. Incidentally, I'm not sure what Pompeo is trying to say here. The NPT doesn't apply to people who are (no longer) signers. I'm not held to the terms of the apartment lease I had 14 years ago. I get that he's mad Iran wants to leave, but then, until he's mad about why Iran wants to leave, he's a hypocrite. If your brother punches a nun in the face, you don't get to be angry at the police for taking him to jail.

    No-one is above the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    My attempt at a transcript (difficult because of Trump's speech patterns):

    I don't know how an honest person could read that verbiage as saying "it's OK to go to work with coronavirus". This reads much more like "lots of healthy people aren't that heavily affected, they don't even know they have coronavirus, so they just kind of work through it and get better". Based on everything we know about the virus at present, this is likely basically accurate - young, healthy people mostly won't experience this as a severe disease and wouldn't be inclined to take time off.

    Of course good epidemiologic practice during an outbreak would be telling people to exercise an abundance of caution at the moment to slow the spread and buy more time for better treatments, to make sure bed space is available for vulnerable populations and so on.

    That clip doesn't actually say what people seem to be claiming it says though.
    Remind us again how "he tells it like it is."

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    https://www.texastribune.org/2020/03...t-bend-county/
    First case in the Houston area now.

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    Speaking of "Pompeo is a hypocrite":

    U.S. Secretary of State urges China to be fairer toward media

    "They shouldn't have banned those WSJ reporters who claimed China was the source of the coronavirus," Pompeo didn't say but I'm pretending he did. "Instead, China should refuse to hold press conferences, call most forms of the press Fake News, throw people out of the press corps when they challenge their objective lies, censor books that demonstrate their behavior, attack even friendly news reports when they don't report his work as highly as desired, and sue for slander or libel with no evidence based on OP ED columns. Twice in the last month alone."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clone View Post
    First case in the Houston area now.
    It's also in New Jersey.

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    Trump says he will block U.S. funds to 'sanctuary' jurisdictions

    I confess, I don't understand exactly how sanctuary jurisdictions work. I am guessing this is a case that will likely appear before your Supreme Court. I am looking forward to the potential mess a ruling about this will cause in the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katchii View Post
    Trump just can't stand the idea that he doesn't know something
    See, that's the thing. In that interview, the one where he lied about the coronavirus and said people going to work with the flu, or coronavirus, was okay, he also said he didn't know how many people died from the flu until six to eight weeks ago.

    That might not be the first time he admitted not knowing something after the fact, but it's a big admission in context.

    But.

    He used this admitted lack of knowledge, to defend other lack of knowledge, and put his lack of knowledge "hunch" over WHO research. And that's arguably worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    I am guessing this is a case that will likely appear before your Supreme Court.
    Could be. It's most of the way there already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacien View Post
    This is the left's biggest problem, they fall over themselves to make a fool out of Trump, but in their eagerness they end up undercutting their own attack. Happens all the time.
    doesn't take one to "fall over themselves" to simply quote Trump's broken speech to make a fool out of trump

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    What Trump said:



    What Trump should have said:



    Let's review.
    Yes I see the sycophants must defend this idiot no matter what. First as i pointed out in the end of my post is jibberish, word salad and pure Trump moroneze. I really don't know what he stated cause I cant decipher. More importantly he was stating that if your can work thru the coronovirus. Which of course is moronic that not on the person infected my become worse but that person can spread the contagion.

    Oh he still thinks this is the flu and most people work through the flue. Which again, in the US is even stupid, but hey some people need to work when sick.
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