Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Edge-]

https://lawandcrime.com/legal-analys...mpression=true

Also, unsurprisingly, Jared Kushner is super, extremely, very wrong. There are laws dictating what the national stockpile is and how it can and should be used.

They very clearly state that it's for national use, including "states", to protect the American people. Not "federal people".

[Breccia]

He looks dashing in a flack vest, sports coat, and khaki's? At least that's the best I can come up with on short notice.

OH MY GOD wear the flak jacket UNDER the sports jacket! That way you can use all the pockets, and also, pretty sure terrorists go out of their way to shoot obvious dumbass tourist dignitaries. That dude is inviting himself to be targeted and shot.

No really, look at literally everyone else in that shot. Where is their armor? Under their jacket. Why does a math teacher with no combat experience have to tell someone with SS protection and one would imagine a briefing on the way?

[Machismo]

I get that there's rules in place for that in the military. Disobeying a combat order to save your crew's life isn't how this is supposed to work.

But, as we've all seen, this isn't wartime and the captain specifically called it out.

Maybe he's a bad soldier, maybe not. He is a good person. I wish him the best in whatever role he ends in.

Here's the thing, it would appear he first tried to get assistance through his chain of command. Now, the goal is to be able to accomplish the mission, and maintain troop welfare. In this case, he believed he could not do the former, if the latter was not taken care of. It's a reasonable and logical conclusion for him to make. Once you start asking for assistance from admirals, then it's all about politics at that point.

And, to make things hilarious, here's this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Modly

"On April 1, 2020, as Acting Secretary of the Navy, this piece of human waste dismissed Capt. Brett Crozier for raising the alarm over widespread COVID-19 infections onboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt"

I've worked under shitty commands, that were more concerned about appearances, than actually taking care of their troops. I've lived in barracks with deadly molds that had been condemned for a decade. I've worked for commands who literally got their guys killed in convoys to move plasma TVs to a command center to watch the Super Bowl. I've worked for a command that tried to hide suicide attempts and sexual assaults, because they didn't want the bad press, and ordered sexual assault victims to not speak about their ordeals with anyone outside the unit.

The captain was trying to do the right thing. It remains to be seen whether he exhausted every possible avenue. But, considering it can take fucking WEEKS to even hear back from the IG's office, then he may have done what he felt was the right course of action.

Fired or not, he's a fucking hero.

[cubby]

Here's the thing, it would appear he first tried to get assistance through his chain of command. Now, the goal is to be able to accomplish the mission, and maintain troop welfare. In this case, he believed he could not do the former, if the latter was not taken care of. It's a reasonable and logical conclusion for him to make. Once you start asking for assistance from admirals, then it's all about politics at that point.

And, to make things hilarious, here's this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Modly

"On April 1, 2020, as Acting Secretary of the Navy, this piece of human waste dismissed Capt. Brett Crozier for raising the alarm over widespread COVID-19 infections onboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt["

Sounds like a good commander; intelligent, insightful, resourceful - of course he has no place in a Trump military. And if we'll all take a quick minute to review history, recall Hitler did the same thing.

[D Luniz]

Honestly other than some staples demand has to be pretty flat now. Nobody is driving/nobody is going out shopping locally for non staple type stuff. I don't see a huge upswing in people wanting appliances/TV's or other big consumption things while this is going on. Everybody is just hunkering down going into limbo trying to ride this out. So while supply is getting wacked demand also is wacked. Its hard to say once the stay at home orders are listed which jumps into action first or if everything just stays flat because of uncertainty.

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He wants to seem like he is doing something. He does not care if he actually IS doing something.

The leader of the crowd that claimed to hate participation trophies elected someone who endlessly demands one for everything

[Machismo]

Sounds like a good commander; intelligent, insightful, resourceful - of course he has no place in a Trump military. And if we'll all take a quick minute to review history, recall Hitler did the same thing.

I added to my comment, he's a fucking hero. No wonder Trump's guys had him fired.

[Rasulis]

A delivery of 200,000 face masks ordered and paid for by the Berlin police was “confiscated” en route, a city official said Friday, citing U.S. legislation as the likely reason for the diversion by an American company.
The consignment of FFP-2 masks from China made it only as far as Bangkok, Andreas Geisel, Berlin’s senator for the interior, said in a statement.
“We consider this an act of modern piracy,” he said. “This is not how you deal with transatlantic partners. Even in times of global crisis, wild west methods shouldn’t rule.”

Come on guys, that's just despicable.

That's why California has been using their own chartered and borrowed airplanes to pick up orders from their global suppliers. So they don't have to deal with bullshit like that from their own Federal government. Right now you can't get PPE and ventilators from US suppliers. The Federal government is laying claim to all of them, even orders that were paid in full. That's why Newsom has gone global in fulfilling his goal of 30,000 ventilators for California (upped from 10,000 that he wanted for Phase 1).

[D Luniz]

Since polls matter again

This KnowledgePanel survey conducted April 1-2, 2020 finds that 47% of Americans approve of the way Donald Trump is handling the response to the coronavirus, down from 55% two weeks ago and 51% in last week's ABC News/ Washington Post poll.

https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/news-pol...ronavirus-poll

[Lenonis]

Since polls matter again



https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/news-pol...ronavirus-poll

And with that @Ghostpanther was never heard from again!

[Machismo]

And with that @Ghostpanther was never heard from again!

He doesn't find that poll interesting enough.

[Rasulis]

Nothing like a crisis to boost your approval rating. Newsom was underwater last year at under 40% approval rating. It has jumped up to almost 80% now. Even GOP voters approve of his performance.

His one weakness is his televised briefings. He delivers his updates like he needs more sleep. Which he probably does. His speech is staccato and flat. He rapidly throws out facts and numbers that are hard for the listeners to digest. He sounds like a bureaucrat using words like “protocol”, “real time” and “procurement”. Very legalistic and not very empathetic. He needs to start using more dramatic words like "slow-moving hurricane", in his speech. Like Cuomo. The press is not going to report of some boring bureaucratic speech full of facts and figures. The press wants excitement.

However, everybody agree, he is very effective. Boring but effective.

“He’s been rock-solid,” said Sean Walsh, a Republican strategist and former aide to GOP Govs. Pete Wilson and Arnold Schwarzenegger. “He comes off as calm, cool — and gives us good governance rather than good reality TV.”

[Shadowferal]

We've passed 6000 deaths now according to John Hopkins.

JH is your preference?
Not trying to stir a debate on their figures, just curious.

[Breccia]

Here's the thing, it would appear he first tried to get assistance through his chain of command.

Yes, from what I've seen, the problem wasn't the letter, it was that the letter was leaked.

Most transparent administration ever.

[Machismo]

Yes, from what I've seen, the problem wasn't the letter, it was that the letter was leaked.

Most transparent administration ever.

I haven't yet sen that he was the one who actually leaked the letter, though.

It wouldn't be the first time someone else in the administration leaked it.

[Draco-Onis]

I haven't yet sen that he was the one who actually leaked the letter, though.

It wouldn't be the first time someone else in the administration leaked it.

He basically sent it in a way that it would be leaked good on him though I am sure he knew he would pay the price for this but put his men first.

[Machismo]

He basically sent it in a way that it would be leaked good on him though I am sure he knew he would pay the price for this but put his men first.

How exactly did he send it?

[Draco-Onis]

How exactly did he send it?

He sent it to several people he didn't have to and didn't use a classified server.

[Zaydin]

JH is your preference?
Not trying to stir a debate on their figures, just curious.

Was just the first source I thought of when I went looking for specific numbers and they have been who I have been going to.

On that note, we are going to pass 7000 dead today if we haven't already. Getting about 1k dead daily now it seems.

[Machismo]

He sent it to several people he didn't have to and didn't use a classified server.

I see that he sent it to 20+ people, so that in and of itself isn't that bad. If he'd sent it to PacFleet, then I can see how that many people would be involved. As far as I know, the information didn't seem to be classified, so the firing seems a bit out of hand.

Regardless, he did the right thing.

[Shadowferal]

Was just the first source I thought of when I went looking for specific numbers and they have been who I have been going to.
On that note, we are going to pass 7000 dead today if we haven't already. Getting about 1k dead daily now it seems.

I've been keeping track of numbers from both JH and Worldometer.
1k per day it is, or so it seems.
If there's no doubling up to twice that per day...well, at the risk of sounding optimistic then...that might be the plateau.