Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Acidbaron]

Oh, is he meeting terrorists too? It's been a while since he met some terrorists and negotiated with terrorists.

All depends if they throw him a parade, very fine people know how to throw parades for donald.

[Breccia]

Louisiana is running out of ventilators.

Kentucky is being outbid by Trump.

The US GPD is forecast to contract nine percent Q1 and thirty-four percent Q2, according to Goldman Sachs. Others aren't so pessimistic, but even Atlanta is feeling the strain:



The St. Louis Fed predicts 47 million people could lose their jobs, that's 32% and more than the Great Depression. For a while, at least. It'll get better, but, possibly not back to pre-virus levels.

Unemployment Rate in the United States is expected to be 15.00 percent by the end of this quarter, according to Trading Economics global macro models and analysts expectations. Looking forward, we estimate Unemployment Rate in the United States to stand at 19.00 in 12 months time. In the long-term, the United States Unemployment Rate is projected to trend around 15.00 percent in 2021 and 12.90 percent in 2022, according to our econometric models.

It's in a fucking tiger now, so it can spread to animals, oh goodie.

The Surgeon General compares this to Pearl Harbor.

And the US did nothing for two months while the virus got everywhere.

All hands, brace for impact.

[Skulltaker]

It's in a fucking tiger now, so it can spread to animals, oh goodie.

Ahm, I don't want to contradict you in the sense that overall, this is bad news, but we always knew that this can spread to animals, since it originated, most likely, in animals, if I remember correctly this strain of Corona has been identified in both several species of bats as well as Pangolins, and some Belgian cats.

[beanman12345]

I really couldn't decide which thread to post this in, but I think that given the subject it probably belongs in this one. Fans of Monty Python will love this:
https://imgur.com/gallery/llCm56V

EDIT: Found original source.

This is brilliant.

[Thekri]

It's in a fucking tiger now, so it can spread to animals, oh goodie.

Who was hanging out with 6 feet of a Tiger? And Tigers wash their Paws nearly constantly, but I am pretty sure licking them isn't in the CDC recommendations.

Anyway this virus seems to be able to cross species barriers quite easily, which is going to make it really hard to contain even if you can lock the people down. Still, remember the goal here is to slow it down, not stop it. Stopping it would have been great, but that ship sailed about two months ago. California is a perfect example of what slowing it looks like, It is still spreading there, but the curve looks nothing like New York or Louisiana.

[fwc577]

But it's all a demo hoax lols. Also it'll magically disappear by...now.

You're wrong and such a fucking liar. It disappeared 38 days ago, duh.

FEB 26
“And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done."
— Donald Trump

[Orbitus]

February 28 - Trump called the coronavirus a "democratic hoax".

Was there an order out from Trump at that time to start taking precautions?

You're really bad at this.

What do you expect from a Trump supporter?

[cubby]

Ahm, I don't want to contradict you in the sense that overall, this is bad news, but we always knew that this can spread to animals, since it originated, most likely, in animals, if I remember correctly this strain of Corona has been identified in both several species of bats as well as Pangolins, and some Belgian cats.

What does that do for the mutation factor?

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It's in a fucking tiger now, so it can spread to animals, oh goodie.

And we just recently lost the only man who could save us.

[Captain N]

What do you expect from a Trump supporter?

Expect nothing from them. I however will hold them all personally accountable once that death toll breaks 12,000 -- because "It's just a flu" will suddenly amass an entire years worth of American casualties in 6 weeks.

[Orbitus]

Expect nothing from them. I however will hold them all personally accountable once that death toll breaks 12,000 -- because "It's just a flu" will suddenly amass an entire years worth of American casualties in 6 weeks.

Oh, yeah, they were all crying about how Obama handled the Swine Flu, 60 million infected, over 12,000 dead. Right now, We are at what 337,000 confirmed cases and over 9600 dead. If we reach 60 million infected, there are going to be millions dead from this.

Obama gave them the tools to at least mitigate it, Trump destroyed everything. And the mere fact that Trump supporters are still supporting that retard, is fucking blowing my mind.

[Zaydin]

Shouldn't be surprising that Trump is once again touting hydroxychloroquineas a miracle drug that can cure COVID-19 because he's desperate for anything to spin as good news. And you know that the lie-based right wing media and the Trump cult will be parroting Trump exactly and whining that states that have put restrictions on prescriptions for hydroxychloroquine are trying to get people killed even though: A. Any evidence that it helps treat COVID-19 is anecdotal at best right now, B. There are people who need hydroxychloroquine for diseases we know it treats already and C. It's a highly toxic drug if you get the dosing wrong.

Best part was him saying "Take it. What do you have to lose?". Oh, I dunno, people could lose their lives. Ask that couple in Arizona who poisoned themselves because they took what they thought Trump was talking about, with the husband dying to it and the wife hospitalized for it and admitting they took it because they thought it was what Trump was touting as a cure for COVID-19.

[Orbitus]

Shouldn't be surprising that Trump is once again touting hydroxychloroquineas a miracle drug that can cure COVID-19 because he's desperate for anything to spin as good news. And you know that the lie-based right wing media and the Trump cult will be parroting Trump exactly and whining that states that have put restrictions on prescriptions for hydroxychloroquine are trying to get people killed even though: A. Any evidence that it helps treat COVID-19 is anecdotal at best right now, B. There are people who need hydroxychloroquine for diseases we know it treats already and C. It's a highly toxic drug if you get the dosing wrong.

Best part was him saying "Take it. What do you have to lose?". Oh, I dunno, people could lose their lives. Ask that couple in Arizona who poisoned themselves because they took what they thought Trump was talking about, with the husband dying to it and the wife hospitalized for it and admitting they took it because they thought it was what Trump was touting as a cure for COVID-19.

Wouldn't surprise me if he owns part of the company or a lot of stock in it.

[cubby]

Shouldn't be surprising that Trump is once again touting hydroxychloroquineas a miracle drug that can cure COVID-19 because he's desperate for anything to spin as good news. And you know that the lie-based right wing media and the Trump cult will be parroting Trump exactly and whining that states that have put restrictions on prescriptions for hydroxychloroquine are trying to get people killed even though: A. Any evidence that it helps treat COVID-19 is anecdotal at best right now, B. There are people who need hydroxychloroquine for diseases we know it treats already and C. It's a highly toxic drug if you get the dosing wrong.

Best part was him saying "Take it. What do you have to lose?". Oh, I dunno, people could lose their lives. Ask that couple in Arizona who poisoned themselves because they took what they thought Trump was talking about, with the husband dying to it and the wife hospitalized for it and admitting they took it because they thought it was what Trump was touting as a cure for COVID-19.

What's funny is that in the movie Contagion there was a shuckster character pushing a non-cure in order to make money on the side. I guess our shuckster is the Resident.

I cannot wait to see the attack ads we run against him.

[Zaydin]

What's funny is that in the movie Contagion there was a shuckster character pushing a non-cure in order to make money on the side. I guess our shuckster is the Resident.

I cannot wait to see the attack ads we run against him.

Don't forget World War Z (the original book, not the crappy movie) who made that fake drug that was supposed to prevent catching the zombie virus called Phalanx that didn't actually do anything.

[Breccia]

Trump continues to defend hydroxychloroquine despite oh, lord, just read this shit.

I just think it’s something — you know the expression I’ve used it for certain reasons — what do you have to lose? I’m not looking at it one way or another. But we want to get out of this. If it does work, it would be a shame if we didn’t do it early.

What do I know, I'm not a doctor. But I have common sense.

Trump then bankrupted multiple casinos, cheated on his wife with a porn star, said windmills cause cancer and balanced the budget by doubling it, all with his "common sense".

With that, I turn to: Inside the epic White House fight over hydroxychloroquine

Oh and...I don't like quoting the whole thing. But...holy shit, you guys.

This drama erupted into an epic Situation Room showdown. Trump's coronavirus task force gathered in the White House Situation Room on Saturday at about 1:30pm, according to four sources familiar with the conversation. Vice President Mike Pence sat at the head of the table.

Numerous government officials were at the table, including Fauci, coronavirus response coordinator Deborah Birx, Jared Kushner, acting Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf, and Commissioner of Food and Drugs Stephen Hahn.

Behind them sat staff, including Peter Navarro, tapped by Trump to compel private companies to meet the government's coronavirus needs under the Defense Production Act.

Toward the end of the meeting, Hahn began a discussion of the malaria drug hydroxychloroquine, which Trump believes could be a "game-changer" against the coronavirus.

Hahn gave an update about the drug and what he was seeing in different trials and real-world results.

Then Navarro got up. He brought over a stack of folders and dropped them on the table. People started passing them around.

"And the first words out of his mouth are that the studies that he's seen, I believe they're mostly overseas, show 'clear therapeutic efficacy,'" said a source familiar with the conversation. "Those are the exact words out of his mouth."

Navarro's comments set off a heated exchange about how the Trump administration and the president ought to talk about the malaria drug, which Fauci and other public health officials stress is unproven to combat COVID-19.

Fauci pushed back against Navarro, saying that there was only anecdotal evidence that hydroxychloroquine works against the coronavirus.

Researchers have said studies out of France and China are inadequate because they did not include control groups.

Fauci and others have said much more data is needed to prove that hydroxychloroquine is effective against the coronavirus.

As part of his role, Navarro has been trying to source hydroxychloroquine from around the world. He's also been trying to ensure that there are enough domestic production capabilities inside the U.S.

Fauci's mention of anecdotal evidence "just set Peter off," said one of the sources. Navarro pointed to the pile of folders on the desk, which included printouts of studies on hydroxychloroquine from around the world.

Navarro said to Fauci, "That's science, not anecdote," said another of the sources.

Navarro started raising his voice, and at one point accused Fauci of objecting to Trump's travel restrictions, saying, "You were the one who early on objected to the travel restrictions with China," saying that travel restrictions don't work. (Navarro was one of the earliest to push the China travel ban.)

Fauci looked confused, according to a source in the room. After Trump imposed the travel restrictions, Fauci has publicly praised the president's restriction on travel from China.

Pence was trying to moderate the heated discussion. "It was pretty clear that everyone was just trying to get Peter to sit down and stop being so confrontational," said one of the sources.

Eventually, Kushner turned to Navarro and said, "Peter, take yes for an answer," because most everyone agreed, by that time, it was important to surge the supply of the drug to hot zones.

The principals agreed that the administration's public stance should be that the decision to use the drug is between doctors and patients.

Trump ended up announcing at his press conference that he had 29 million doses of hydroxychloroquine in the Strategic National Stockpile.

Bolded for emphasis, bolded and blue for what "anecdotal" means in context. Let's say I tested positive and was told "if you eat an Entemann's donut every day for 8 days breakfast, it will cure your coronavirus". Let's say I do that, and I recover. Awesome. That doesn't really prove anything. Most people who get the virus survive. Now, if 100 people eat Entemmann's donuts every day for breakfast, and 100 people don't, and we compare the cure/death ratios, then we're getting somewhere. Control groups are mandatory for any hope of a cause/effect relationship to be examined.

Also in the latest press briefing, and I'm just going to cite CNN because at this point why not,

Trump would not let Fauci answer the question about efficacy of hydroxychloroquine..

I will also point out that WebMD knows about the stuff and its side effects, which include nausea, hair loss, and thoughts of suicide. Hey, didn't Trump say the cure could be worse than the disease because of a massive rise in suicides? How is that going to help?

So my challenge is this: we've all seen the number of members of the rabid fanbase present on these very forums. I challenge each and every one of them to go out, right now, and get hydroxychloroquine. Like, right now. Set your alarm, go out there first thing when the pharmacy opens, and ask for it. Not that you should start taking it, fuck no, I'd never ask you to take a random medicine that might not help and used improperly could hurt or kill you, who do you think I am, Donald Trump? But actually listen to what the pharmacist says when you do. Answer their questions honestly. Especially, and I do hope this is true, if this is the back-and-forth:

Q: Why would you want to take hydroxychloroquine?
A: Well some guy without a medical degree told me I should ask about it.
Q: That's just stupid.

Go ahead. Go out there and ask. What do you have to lose? I mean, if Trump is right, and it works, you'd want the first dose before they all run out, right? Remember what happened with toilet paper? Do you want to be left without life-saving hydroxychloroquine? Get out there, demand your dose now, and rub it in my smug librul elite face when it works. Go for it. There is only one reason not to, and that is "I have no reason to believe it will help" in which case welcome to planet Earth, it's about time you got here with the rest of us.

If you are a Trump supporter, and do not ask your doctor and/or pharmacist about hydroxychloroquine, I will take that as admission you know it's questionable at best to take a drug without any reason. You might lie about it, but I'll know you didn't ask. I'm not a doctor, but I have common sense.

[Paranoid Android]

When the president is pressed about chloroquines and why he’s pushing them it tends to devolve into him calling the question fake news.

Trump is just a moron. He wants some miracle drug. He is a narcissist and cares about the economy and election. He is a simple-minded fool who wants the cure so he can go back to golfing.

[D Luniz]

Its funny in a mundane way

For all the hate the GOP likes to place on blue states
those blue states have the money and resources to outbid the red states for suppiles, and so by backing Trumps "im not responsible" mindset on this, they will lose out even harder since hoping Trump will repay quality asskissing with masks and ventilators is a foolhardy proposition at best

[Fugus]

Term limits are a bad thing. Allmit does is encourage money interests more. Just look at states with them vs states without. It also erodes relationships and institutional knowledge. Things that take time. The real solution is to get gerrymandering and money out of politics.term limits will only make things worse than they are now.

I have one allowable suggestion for term limits. 6 for the senate and 18 for the house. That way if deemed good enough by their constituents, they can a full career out of public service if they wish.

I was talking in regards to the judges.

I would want a 10 year term limit for judges with no chance of reelection, and they must be nominated by both Senators who live in that state and are required to have 10 years previous experience in a court room and must be rated as qualified by an independent board.

And Supreme Court cases are no longer lifetime appointments or nominated by the president either. They are instead rotated out annually from the lower level courts at random. They can only see cases on the docket prior to them being assigned and after the year is up they are not allowed to see any new cases in that capacity and can only finish current ones. If they finish their docket early, they can be rotated at 6 months. But they must be rotated annually, they can only be rotated from the lower court, they can not see any cases that are assigned after they are selected.

This removes that political football entirely.

[arandomuser]

on a side but somewhat related note,
isnt it great that alex jones is cancelled from mainstream platforms? Hes still up to his usual shenanigans but its alot less known and alot less idiots are succeptible, although as previous posts have stated ( which reminded me of him) you have trump filling that role rather perfectly.
https://ag.ny.gov/sites/default/file..._3.12.2020.pdf

it shows that for the most part deplatforming the crazies has generally been effective, even though you really cant de platform their king- because hes president

[PhaelixWW]

Lulz.

CNN: Heated disagreement breaks out in Situation Room over hydroxychloroquine

There was a heated disagreement in the Situation Room this weekend over the efficacy of the anti-malaria drug hydroxychloroquine -- but multiple sources say it was mostly one-sided, as President Donald Trump's top trade adviser Peter Navarro feuded with other officials over the drug's unproven effectiveness to treat coronavirus.

The debate is not a new one inside the coronavirus task force -- and medical experts have repeatedly explained to the President that there is a risk in enthusiastically touting hydroxychloroquine in case the drug doesn't ultimately work to combat the virus. But other aides and outside advisers have sided with Trump, including Navarro, who is still not a formal part of the task force but has wedged himself into the meetings.

Axios first reported on the disagreement inside the White House about the drug.

While discussing the latest on hydroxychloroquine this weekend, an exasperated Navarro lashed out at Dr. Anthony Fauci, one of the advisers who has urged caution about the drug, a person familiar with the meeting told CNN.

Navarro had brought a stack of paperwork with him into the Situation Room on the drug, arguing it was proof that it could work to treat coronavirus, which Fauci, the nation's top infectious disease expert, disagreed with because it was not data.

"What are you talking about?" Fauci asked -- a question that set Navarro off. He became indignant, and at one point, accused Fauci of opposing Trump's travel restrictions on China, which confused many in the room, given Fauci was one of the initial few to agree with Trump on the move, the source said.

A source close to the task force said Fauci is not backing off of his belief that hydroxychloroquine is not a proven treatment for coronavirus. When CNN's Jeremy Diamond asked Fauci to comment on the matter Sunday night, Trump stepped in and didn't allow Fauci to answer. But a source said the doctor has already offered his opinion on the drug in other venues and would continue to do so.

Several aides later said they were unfazed by Navarro's outburst, given he has them regularly. But the argument highlights how deep the divide runs over the task force's response to the coronavirus pandemic.

Another source told CNN that despite the disagreement in the Situation Room between Fauci and Navarro, Fauci continues to have a good relationship with Trump and Pence, though some staffers have shown irritation when his opinions differ.