Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Breccia]

we don't have the time to test it.

Fuck this attitude. It will kill people.

[Beefhammer]

I was talking in regards to the judges.

I would want a 10 year term limit for judges with no chance of reelection, and they must be nominated by both Senators who live in that state and are required to have 10 years previous experience in a court room and must be rated as qualified by an independent board.

And Supreme Court cases are no longer lifetime appointments or nominated by the president either. They are instead rotated out annually from the lower level courts at random. They can only see cases on the docket prior to them being assigned and after the year is up they are not allowed to see any new cases in that capacity and can only finish current ones. If they finish their docket early, they can be rotated at 6 months. But they must be rotated annually, they can only be rotated from the lower court, they can not see any cases that are assigned after they are selected.

This removes that political football entirely.

Unfortunately that would require an ammendment which just ain't happening.

[Acidbaron]

So guess Fox has new competition in the shit reporting.



Got to love press freedom in the US, spreading deadly misinformation, inciting hatred between people, all allowed.

[Acidbaron]

OANN are the new Trump faves. Evidenced by the fact they ignore rules and just attend press briefings whenever they want and Trump always calls on them to ask their 100% loaded and scripted questions.

Was wondering who that nobody "news" group was, good of John Oliver to expose them a bit for what they are although like it is said in the video when the orange promotes something it always stinks.

[Adam Jensen]

In all fairness, there is potentially some merit in using the drug, but until we have done clinical studies with conclusive results, we don't know. Doesn't change the fact that what he does is highly dangerous, irresponsible and stupid.

And I get that. There's potential. But it doesn't do us any good if we pass it around like candy with no regard to how it might affect people with other health issues, like diabetes, or liver disease, or what have you. Or if we pass it around only to find that COVID somehow reacts dangerously to it. Or find out it's about as useful, statistically, as aspirin against COVID.

You can't just throw pills at a pandemic and hope for a miracle.

[Dontrike]

Peter Navarro on internal administration disagreement with Dr. Fauci about hydroxychloroquine: "I think history will judge who's right on this debate, but I'd bet on President Trump's intuition."

Intuition of an uneducated man > trained doctor, apparently.

I see we're at the part of the movie where the "scientist" wants their drug tested by the masses, but is not allowed so they then test it on themselves. We'll see if Trump is man enough to do that or not, or for that matter any of his most avid zealots, like Hannity or Navarro.

[Flarelaine]

Um...actually, I left this out:



Sorry about that. We've seen that happen before, too. "You're fired, get unemployment, but we'll pay your insurance" is increasingly attractive. Yes, it means the hypocrite Republican running the country is relying on big gub'ment socialism, and that's hilarious, but at least his workers won't get sick and die while the taxpayer covers their salary instead of him.

again, we're going to see this a lot. Some companies are just going to have to declare their hypocrisy to do so. Incidentally, on that: we all remember the SCOTUS ruling. Hobby Lobby's insurance does not cover contraception.

Have fun with that, staying at home with your wife for four months.

As a side note, I never understood the concept of contraception being (or expected to be) part of medical insurance. I've grown up and live in a post-Communist country where I have mandatory comprehensive coverage (of course I'm paying for it, can't even choose not to) but I've always paid every last penny for my condoms.

[Adam Jensen]

Peter Navarro on internal administration disagreement with Dr. Fauci about hydroxychloroquine: "I think history will judge who's right on this debate, but I'd bet on President Trump's intuition."

Intuition of an uneducated man > trained doctor, apparently.

This is why I hate people so much.

Why would anyone be so dumb as to take the word of a con man over a doctor with decades, literally half a century, of medical training and experience?

Trump's "intuition" lead to his casinos failing.

This shit is why I keep saying things like "we're all going to die." Because the lack of leadership from the top, and the fact that what leadership we get is idiocy, is going to only make this pandemic worse.

[Poopymonster]

As a side note, I never understood the concept of contraception being (or expected to be) part of medical insurance. I've grown up and live in a post-Communist country where I have mandatory comprehensive coverage (of course I'm paying for it, can't even choose not to) but I've always paid every last penny for my condoms.

The contraception in this instance means birth control pills. Which besides the obvious, uses hormones to avoid getting knocked up, can mitigate a variety of other issues for women both related and unrelated to their periods.

But because it can stop someone getting pregnant even if used for other purposes, it's the love child of Hitler, Stalin, Marx, and Soros. Raised by Obama.

[ati87]

In all fairness, there is potentially some merit in using the drug, but until we have done clinical studies with conclusive results, we don't know. Doesn't change the fact that what he does is highly dangerous, irresponsible and stupid.

In all fairness, there is no merit currently using the drugs as any kind of cure and claiming it has any puts people in danger regardless of what you say afterwards.
Medicine does not work with hail marys, vaccines takes time because to develop because it's not just a dead virus in a bottle. It's a complex procedure that requires trial and error which is why you have multiply attempts.

The so called ''encouraging'' results where limited in scope at best and gets contradicted by ''discouraging'' results because these weren't actual clinical trials. For all we know the times it ''worked'' where the times that the people weren't really sick or they just got better by themselves. Corona isn't a dead sentence, people do get better.

[Orbitus]

The captain that rang the alarm bells has been tested positive.

That Trump fired from that Aircraft carrier? That is just fucked.

[Orbitus]

Yup. Hope he will be fine.

Which probably means that most of what was the crew for that ship, probably now has it, since tight quarters and all with 5k people on a ship.

[Breccia]

As a side note, I never understood the concept of contraception being (or expected to be) part of medical insurance.

Covering birth control means more people use it. More people using it means fewer children you can't afford. Not everyone agrees with this strategy, but, covering the price of addiction withdraw drugs vs. covering the price of a drug overdose can kind of be thought of the same way. "If they're going to have sex anyhow," said the medical industry, "we would rather cover $50 worth of birth control pills than a $5,000 child birth hospital stay." (numbers purely hypothetical)

[Adam Jensen]

Which probably means that most of what was the crew for that ship, probably now has it, since tight quarters and all with 5k people on a ship.

Which is why he raised the alarm bell in the first place.

I was in the Air Force reserves until recently. Last year I got a job that sent me to Virginia, then it was most likely going to be Phoenix Arizona after that, so being able to stay with my unit didn't seem likely. I went inactive reserve until I could figure out what I was doing. Ended up in Connecticut instead, so I could easily go back to my unit (based in Massachusetts, about an hour from where I am now.)

But given that our commander in chief is such a goddamned idiot, and given that captains got fired for caring about the welfare of their crews, I can't go back in. It was January, when Soleimani was killed and Trump nearly started a war with Iran that I decided I'm not going back in until that pumpkin faced fucktard is out of office. I signed up to serve the US, not the President. And I can't do that while under a CinC I have zero respect for.

[Breccia]

In the ongoing saga of "Trump and loyalty", it's time for Guess the Speaker, eh!

To say that I’m infuriated by the recent actions of President Trump of the United States is an understatement. I cannot believe for a second that in a time of crisis that President Trump would even think about banning key medical supplies to Canada.

That's Newfoundland Premier Ball. Newfoundland, as in

Ball noted that Canada helped cater to the more than 6,600 passengers in 2001 that descended on the 10,000-person town of Gander in Newfoundland.

Gander’s hotels were filled with flight crews, and passengers were taken to schools, fire stations and church halls. The Canadian military flew with 5,000 cots and stores and locals donated goods, according to AP.

“Newfoundland and Labrador will never give up on humanity. We will not hesitate for one second if we had to repeat what we did on 9/11. We would do it again,” Ball said.

Actually, I think I have a quote about it from Trump:

I would like to extend my best wishes to all, even the haters and losers, on this special date, September 11th.”

No, that's not it...

I watched in Jersey City, New Jersey, where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down.

Still not it...

I would’ve been tougher on terrorism. Bin Laden would’ve been caught a long time ago, before he was ultimately caught, prior to the downing of the World Trade Center

No...

No pictures

There, that's the one.

"But Breccia! Trump's making America great. Who cares if our closest neighbors are all infected with a lethal, contagious virus?"

You mean, our neighbors to the north, where "April Lol" is closer to "May lol"? Well, fine. Let's go somewhere warmer. Here's a University of FLorida study which says
1) 53% of FLoridians disapprove of Trump's actions on the coronavirus than approve, and
2) 58% of FLoridians don't trust Trump to give accurate info on the topic, and
3) 51% aren't big fans of DeSantis either

Related: Biden leads Trump by six points in FLorida.

[Paranoid Android]

Peter Navarro on internal administration disagreement with Dr. Fauci about hydroxychloroquine: "I think history will judge who's right on this debate, but I'd bet on President Trump's intuition.".

So we have this from Navarro. Idk if it's same interview on CNN.

Berman: What are your qualifications to weigh in on medicines more than Dr. Fauci?

Navarro: My qualifications in terms of looking at the science is that I'm a social scientist. I have a PHD, I understand how to read studies

Berman: That doesn't qualify you to treat patients! https://t.co/ZugKSZXFPs

https://twitter.com/LisPower1/status...666789377?s=19

I believe again, that this administration understands it can con most of it's followers.

[Edge-]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/06/polit...dly/index.html

Acting Navy Secretary Thomas Modly addressed the crew of the USS Theodore Roosevelt. He apparently doesn't know how to read a room.

Following Captain Crozier getting a sendoff from much of the crew cheering him on, Modly decided to call him "stupid and naive" in his address to the crew. He also said what the captain did was a betrayal.

When asked if Modly's personal attack on Crozier was appropriate, a senior defense official said Monday, "I don't know what to say."

...

A defense official familiar with Modly's remarks offered his opinion of Modly's address, saying the acting secretary "should be fired. I don't know how he survives this day."

[Edge-]

There is also this from the same CNN interview, I assume.


Bit more in the video, but you get the gist lol

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He won't get anywhere near being fired. What he said jives with Trump's attitude. I expect he'll get praise from Trump instead of mean words.

"Touche, you've pointed out how awful my argument is. Let me chuckle this off and keep in recommending American's take a drug despite no medical training."

They're gonna get a bunch more folks killed before this is over.

[cubby]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/06/polit...dly/index.html

Acting Navy Secretary Thomas Modly addressed the crew of the USS Theodore Roosevelt. He apparently doesn't know how to read a room.

Following Captain Crozier getting a sendoff from much of the crew cheering him on, Modly decided to call him "stupid and naive" in his address to the crew. He also said what the captain did was a betrayal.

This is yet another in a long line of reminders that Trump surrounds himself with an ignorant cult personality; people who are either too scared or too stupid to disagree with him. As a reminder - Hitler did this same thing.

Can you imagine if someone like Mattis was still at the helm of the DoD? This fuckwit Modly would have been gone by noon. That line, stupid and naive, had to come from Trump almost directly.

[Resurgo]

Covering birth control means more people use it. More people using it means fewer children you can't afford. Not everyone agrees with this strategy, but, covering the price of addiction withdraw drugs vs. covering the price of a drug overdose can kind of be thought of the same way. "If they're going to have sex anyhow," said the medical industry, "we would rather cover $50 worth of birth control pills than a $5,000 child birth hospital stay." (numbers purely hypothetical)

It's simple math like this that really boggles the mind...
People are going to have sex regardless. Decades of "The War On..." should be proof that people are going to do it no matter what bans you attempt.
The party that rails on entitlement and welfare programs is going to rail against a plan that would actually CUT the amount of people joining the ranks of entitlement and welfare programs??