1. #38821
    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Man, he really, really wants to run again in 2024.
    or 2020. It will be clear to the republicans that they need an alternative to Trump well before their convention. My bet is that Romney will take it. He is the most anti-Trump republican there is.

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  3. #38823
    Quote Originally Posted by Zan15 View Post
    Because Mr smart ass, as i went on to explain that the market will (would now) not even technically open for trade.
    All trades happened pre-market and already hit the trigger. So fair market value was already below the trigger point.


    "it will hit the trigger at .01 seconds, technically it will "open, closed"...based on premarkets"

    Not a single trade was processed on opening, it "Open-Closed" as I said it would. Volume was 0.


    But hey keep on being you baby, we all have come to expect it. Carry on wayward son!

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    lol consumer money right now is not the problem.

    They need to keep people employed for pay yes, but also benefits....investments, 401k, pensions...etc etc....

    If they are going to give money, give the money to businesses with full enforcement that they have to keep their workers on the books and keep paying them, keep their benefits active even if they do not show up to work.


    If you give 1000 bucks a month to everyone...won't help much if 20 million people lose their jobs and in return LOSE THEIR HEALTHCARE/INSURANCE and all other benefits.

    They should immediately make pass a bill that forces companies to continue benefits at the same cost structure as today and cost sharing even if they lose their job for the next 120-180 days. No fucking lame ass COBRA no one can afford.

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    Thank god my business also prints things associated with newspapers....FREEDOM of the press might be the only thing that saves my job and income right now.
    will be hard to close us down and the presses...
    So you're going to double down that .01 seconds isn't within the first minute?

  4. #38824
    Quote Originally Posted by Grapemask View Post
    Romney officially proposed paying everyone $1000 today to respond to the coronavirus. Like some sort of income for everyone. Just universally applied.

    The left might end up as the conservative party by the end of the month if they don't keep up with this radical communism!
    And Yang sits back laughing that they scoffed at his UBI.
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    100:1 odds that he wont
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    Okay. I'll stop sharing my views.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapemask View Post
    Romney officially proposed paying everyone $1000 today to respond to the coronavirus. Like some sort of income for everyone. Just universally applied.

    The left might end up as the conservative party by the end of the month if they don't keep up with this radical communism!
    One of the more liberal websites for quite some time, at least as far as foreign policy goes, has been The American Conservative. As the democratic party more and more becomes the party of the billionaires, people who are not so interested in being so subservient to them still exist and end up going SOMEWHERE.

  6. #38826
    Quote Originally Posted by callipygoustp View Post
    I remember well the first time I was laid off from a corporate job, way back in 1998, and part of the package was cobra coverage. The cobra cost, pre-employer contribution, was over four times the coverage cost while I was employed and the health coverage was significantly less. What a freaking racket that is.
    nah its regulated to be the same cost that you and your employer paid while you were employed, not more.
    You just didn't know prior to 2014 what they were paying.

    after that it was printed on your w2 each year in box 12 with code DD.

    Go take a look at how much was paid for insurance, you'd be shocked
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  7. #38827
    President Trump told a group of governors Monday morning that they should not wait for the federal government to fill the growing demand for respirators needed to help people diagnosed with coronavirus.

    “Respirators, ventilators, all of the equipment — try getting it yourselves,” Mr. Trump told the governors during the conference call, a recording of which was shared with The New York Times.

    “We will be backing you, but try getting it yourselves. Point of sales, much better, much more direct if you can get it yourself.”

    The suggestion surprised some of the governors, who have been scrambling to contain the outbreak and are increasingly looking to the federal government for help with equipment, personnel and financial aid.

    Gov. Jay Inslee of Washington, whose state is at the center of the domestic outbreak, and Michelle Lujan Grisham of New Mexico both reacted angrily to the administration’s slow response to the crisis.

    “If one state doesn’t get the resources and materials they need, the entire nation continues to be at risk,” said Ms. Lujan Grisham.

    Mr. Trump used much of the call to repeat the same upbeat rhetoric he has offered in public, assuring the governors: “We’re going to get it remedied and hopefully very quickly.”

    Alluding to the Federal Reserve’s emergency intervention, Mr. Trump also told the governors that the central bank’s purchase of $500 billion of Treasury bonds and $200 billion of mortgage-backed securities will “probably go up substantially from that level.”

    Without directly faulting former President Obama, he said “we broke down a system that was broken, very badly broken” and vowed to create one “that I think is going to be the talk of the world.”

    But aside from his rose-colored predictions — which are at odds with his medical advisers, who say the worst is yet to come — Mr. Trump often evinced little awareness of the severity of the contagion.

    Explaining why he did not include the United Kingdom in his initial travel ban from Europe last week, Mr. Trump said “all of the sudden we were getting numbers that weren’t good so we had to put U.K. in.”

    Britain had nearly 500 coronavirus cases last week.

    During a press briefing at the White House on Sunday evening, Trump again appeared to downplay the threat of the novel coronavirus. “Relax, we’re doing great,” he said, during short, meandering comments that focused mostly on celebrating a decision by the Federal Reserve to lower interest rates. “It all will pass.”

    The president’s remarks stood in marked contrast to his lead infectious diseases expert, Dr Anthony Fauci, who used the same conference to warn: “The worst is ahead for us,” describing the crisis as reaching a “very, very critical point now”. Earlier in the day Dr Fauci had declined to rule out a “national lockdown” of bars and restaurants as he urged more aggressive measures, similar to those in Europe and elsewhere, to contain the virus.

    Trump said he had hosted a call with grocery industry leaders earlier in the day who had pushed him to spread a message against hoarding.

    “They have actually asked me to say: ‘could you buy a little bit less, please?’ I thought I’d never hear that from a retailer,” Trump said, adding: “They have no shortages. We have no shortages other than people buying anywhere from three to five times [more].

    “Have a nice dinner, relax,” the president added.

    Trump’s remarks came at the same time that California’s governor, Gavin Newsom, announced that the nation’s most populous state would enforce a closure of all bars and nightclubs, and make restaurants cut capacity by half. The governor also urged all those over 65 to self-isolate.
    This man is a risk to the health of the US and it's citizens.

  8. #38828
    Quote Originally Posted by zenkai View Post
    So you're going to double down that .01 seconds isn't within the first minute?
    That's not what I am arguing. Stop arguing every little detail and look at the whole intent and grow up.

    it open closed. ZERO trades happened. it did not even make it to ZERO seconds.
    So even .01 was wrong since no trades occurred and the market never technically opened. .00000001 would have been wrong too.

    I was also wrong too.
    Get over it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zan15 View Post
    nah its regulated to be the same cost that you and your employer paid while you were employed, not more.
    You just didn't know prior to 2014 what they were paying.

    after that it was printed on your w2 each year in box 12 with code DD.

    Go take a look at how much was paid for insurance, you'd be shocked
    I did know what my company, Autodesk, was paying. It was marked clearly on my pay stub. The difference pre and post layoff were huge, 4x huge. Give me a few, I still have all documents. I'll pull them out and double check.

  10. #38830
    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    This man is a risk to the health of the US and it's citizens.
    He's the chief clown of a bunch of clowns who are fighting over the steering wheel of the clown car they've replaced the apparatus of federal government with.

    Its little different than what you see when klepotocrats and strongmen take over in third world nations. The systems they oversee are either deliberately torn down or are ruined by malice, neglect, and incompetence.

    This shitshow of an administration is going to cost many many people their lives.
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    I don't think I ever hide the fact I was a national socialist. The fact I am a German one is what technically makes me a nazi
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    You haven't seen nothing yet, we trumpsters will definitely be getting some cool uniforms soon I hope.

  11. #38831
    Quote Originally Posted by callipygoustp View Post
    I did know what my company, Autodesk, was paying. It was marked clearly on my pay stub. The difference pre and post layoff were huge, 4x huge. Give me a few, I still have all documents. I'll pull them out and double check.
    They shouldn't have billed you more than the total cost between employee + employer prior to layoff.

    Not sure if the 2 percent service charge still applies?



    The example the gov gives is as followed:


    COBRA Example
    Let’s say you have $125 taken from each paycheck for health insurance. You get paid twice per month, so your portion of the monthly premiums is $250. Your employer contributes $400 per month toward your health insurance premiums, so the total cost of your job-based health plan is $650 per month.

    To figure the 2 percent service charge, multiply that $650 monthly premium by 0.02. You’ll get $13. Add this $13 service charge the $650 premium cost and your COBRA health insurance cost will be $663 per month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by callipygoustp View Post
    I did know what my company, Autodesk, was paying. It was marked clearly on my pay stub. The difference pre and post layoff were huge, 4x huge. Give me a few, I still have all documents. I'll pull them out and double check.
    Just check your W2 that will tell you then you can do the math...for 52 weeks....
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    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    This man is a risk to the health of the US and it's citizens.
    And the remaining GOP are all spineless (or insane) sycophants. I would think the 25th would be considered at this point, but no one left would even have the guts to try it.

    Hitler ran into the same problem - firing/killing all his good generals and advisers. Left him with yes-men who rode into the fire with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexw View Post
    He's the chief clown of a bunch of clowns who are fighting over the steering wheel of the clown car they've replaced the apparatus of federal government with.

    Its little different than what you see when klepotocrats and strongmen take over in third world nations. The systems they oversee are either deliberately torn down or are ruined by malice, neglect, and incompetence.

    This shitshow of an administration is going to cost many many people their lives.
    If we can get him out of office, I wonder if we could charge him with Crimes Against Humanity.
    No one is above the law!

  13. #38833
    Trump - "I'd rate our response as a 10"

    FFS man, you're going to get people killed. Oh wait, you already did.

  14. #38834
    a basic income right now isn't possible. that's three-trillion a month.

    if everything is shut down, nobody's out spending that money to recycle it through the economy, it absolutely cannot work and would make things worse in the long run. we don't have the proper taxes in place, we don't have the proper cuts to spending in other areas, it's just not feasible in any way at this current time.

    even in an economy that's not being wracked by pandemic, this would be such a monumental task.

  15. #38835
    Quote Originally Posted by derpkitteh View Post
    a basic income right now isn't possible. that's three-trillion a month.
    Three hundred billion. You're off by an order of magnitude, there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkTZeratul View Post
    Three hundred billion. You're off by an order of magnitude, there.
    And at 300 billion a month, we could get five months of that with the money the Fed wasted last week on its failed attempted 1.5 trillion dollar bailout that rallied stock markets for about half an hour.
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    Looks like the DOW's going to end up juuuuust under the -3000 mark for the official close, down to 20188. For those keeping score at home, that's -13%.

    It's important to keep in mind the 19827 mark, as that's the DOW closing total on the day Trump was inaugurated. Which means that after a little more than 3 years, we're only about 360 points higher now than when Trump took office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaelleria View Post
    Trump - "I'd rate our response as a 10"
    ...out of 100? That's more honesty than I'd expect, given... oh, wait, nm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post


    ...out of 100? That's more honesty than I'd expect, given... oh, wait, nm.
    The hilarity of watching Trump destroy his own presidency because his ego means he is incapable of being contrite during this crisis. Today is proof that the markets no longer have confidence in his leadership and his ability to 'guide' the nation through this pandemic.

    I really want to know where his approval rating is at right now because you'd have to be deranged and/or in denial to be giving him good marks.
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  19. #38839
    Quote Originally Posted by Zaydin View Post
    And at 300 billion a month, we could get five months of that with the money the Fed wasted last week on its failed attempted 1.5 trillion dollar bailout that rallied stock markets for about half an hour.
    PLEASE STOP...PLEASE?


    they did not spend 1.5 trillion.
    They took assets and invested it in assets that will eventually be worth 1.5 trillion or more.

    Its complicated but the value of the transaction is up to 1.5 trillion but the amount actually "spent" is way lower


    The actual amount of money spent was a few million on fees and administration cost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaydin View Post
    The hilarity of watching Trump destroy his own presidency because his ego means he is incapable of being contrite during this crisis. Today is proof that the markets no longer have confidence in his leadership and his ability to 'guide' the nation through this pandemic.

    I really want to know where his approval rating is at right now because you'd have to be deranged and/or in denial to be giving him good marks.
    Probalby hasn't dropped that much because layoffs are still muted and people will still at least get another paycheck in the next two weeks....after that....it could be bad...very bad.




    As far as his conference today I'd give it 8.5 out of 10.
    He did a good job, muted attitude and did not attack anyone with fake shit until the very end where he made veiled attempts at Obama's response.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaydin View Post
    The hilarity of watching Trump destroy his own presidency because his ego means he is incapable of being contrite during this crisis. Today is proof that the markets no longer have confidence in his leadership and his ability to 'guide' the nation through this pandemic.

    I really want to know where his approval rating is at right now because you'd have to be deranged and/or in denial to be giving him good marks.
    I don't find it very funny at all.

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