Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Thepersona]

Not ideal.

Trump approval dips as Americans question his handling of coronavirus crisis



Also known as "what @Zan15 said to your face".

Yeah... And then we'll probably see a significant dip in the popularity as (unfortunately) corpses start piling up, and people flood the social services for a food stamp.

[Orbitus]

Trump loves his conspiracy theories.... even when factual data is on his side in the first place.

Did you hear about that Chanel Rion that pushed that conspiracy theory? Apparently that isn't her real name, thanks to her dad, has changed his name as well several times for being an alleged fraudster. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-reporter.html

How did she pass a background check to get Whitehouse Press credentials?

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Lets see.. @Ghostpanther is not posting polls...so I am going to guess worse than 45% overall and below majority on handling the virus...maybe 46%



eeek almost nailed it

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...oval-6179.html

Even Rasmussen can't fudge their numbers anymore LOL.

[Daelak]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...212195328?s=19

He is just a piece of crap.

Didn't Trump just copy/paste this. The one above is 4 hours ago.

Regular PSA:

This is Republican governance.

Never take their words at face value.

They are diametrically opposed to democratic governance.

They will allow the deaths of tens of thousands of US citizens to consolidate power.

They will do anything, including dismantling institutions that have enabled democratic ideals to prosper in this country to stay in power. It was true in the revolutionary War, it is still true today.

[Zaydin]

Meanwhile, JPMorgan is predicting a GDP loss of 40% in Q2 this year. Is this winning, MAGAts?

[TigTone]

Meanwhile, JPMorgan is predicting a GDP loss of 40% in Q2 this year. Is this winning, MAGAts?

Inside a MAGAts mind; “It’s not trumps Fault! it’s China’s! It’s just a flu! Stop overreacting!”.

[Zaydin]

Inside a MAGAts mind; “It’s not trumps Fault! it’s China’s! It’s just a flu! Stop overreacting!”.

Oh, I also left out the part where JPMorgan forecasts an unemployment rate of 20% in April.

[Paranoid Android]

Latest Trump ad features a montage of Biden meeting with Chinese officials. Amid that montage at the :39 mark: a clip of him with Gary Locke, the former governor of Washington/Commerce secretary/ambassador to China, who is Asian-American, but... American https://t.co/za1pd3VYCo https://t.co/iG4lTu5xap

https://twitter.com/IsaacDovere/stat...093487622?s=19

So this nuts. Besides the blatant xenophobia and racism, the ad of course tries to Biden with the spread of coronavirus from China.

But yes the kicker is a US citizen (pic in link) of an American citizen.

[Milchshake]

https://twitter.com/IsaacDovere/stat...093487622?s=19

So this nuts. Besides the blatant xenophobia and racism, the ad of course tries to Biden with the spread of coronavirus from China.

But yes the kicker is a US citizen (pic in link) of an American citizen.

Can someone queue our local Three Woke Stooges! The had pages of threads on why Asian Americans should really be voting for the GOP.

Oh, I also left out the part where JPMorgan forecasts unemployment rate of 20% in April.

Its fucking horrifying.


I dunno, their Q3 and Q4 numbers feel way to optimistic.

[Zan15]

Can someone queue our local Three Woke Stooges! The had pages of threads on why Asian Americans should really be voting for the GOP.


Its fucking horrifying.


I dunno, their Q3 and Q4 numbers feel way to optimistic.

man to have double obama's number on unemployment....you think he will be bragging about his bigly records this time?

crazy part is 2Q is after an injection of 1200+ dollar checks to the the economy by 200 million+ people. Plus unemployment. Plus the extra 600. Plus a few trillion in loans.

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Did you hear about that Chanel Rion that pushed that conspiracy theory? Apparently that isn't her real name, thanks to her dad, has changed his name as well several times for being an alleged fraudster. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-reporter.html

How did she pass a background check to get Whitehouse Press credentials?

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Even Rasmussen can't fudge their numbers anymore LOL.

everyone should @Ghostpanther and ask him why he didn't link this most recient poll?
Timburrrrrrrrrrr, down to 40% approval rating....
53% disapproval on virus handling....



https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/...04_08_2020.pdf

[Breccia]

I dunno, their Q3 and Q4 numbers feel way to optimistic.

They line up with most forecasts I've seen.

[Milchshake]

They line up with most forecasts I've seen.

I know, they all seem way off.

In the face of historical data, about economies trying to recover while under conservative/tory governments.

• Even now the GOP is loathe to give regular people, more money.
• They're even more loathe to give unemployed people money.

Trump will fuck up the recovery by default.

• Odds that Trump will fuck up the recovery on purpose if he loses . That will wipe out Q4 for sure.

Frankly, I dont see a rebound until the vaccine is widely available. Vaccine by Q4 still feels quite optimistic.

• Odds that Trump impedes the vaccine distribution?

[Kaleredar]

Trump will fuck up the recovery by default.

• Odds that Trump will fuck up the recovery on purpose if he loses . That will wipe out Q4 for sure.

Frankly, I dont see a rebound until the vaccine is widely available. Vaccine by Q4 still feels quite optimistic.

• Odds that Trump impedes the vaccine distribution?

I think that, following a Trump defeat, we'd see a lot of Republicans trying to cut and run from him, severely limiting his abilities to actually do anything legislation-wise.

I'm not so naive to think that the republicans would try to "get in good" with the incoming democrats, let alone work together, but I do think that they'd start, in large part, to try and distance themselves from Trump's nonsense, which would mean decoupling themselves from serving his legislative whims, as his failure to gain reelection would prove to them that his usefulness as a figurehead of their party would have come to an end.

[Milchshake]

I think that, following a Trump defeat, we'd see a lot of Republicans trying to cut and run from him, severely limiting his abilities to actually do anything legislation-wise.

I'm not so naive to think that the republicans would try to "get in good" with the incoming democrats, let alone work together, but I do think that they'd start, in large part, to try and distance themselves from Trump's nonsense, which would mean decoupling themselves from serving his legislative whims, as his failure to gain reelection would prove to them that his usefulness as a figurehead of their party would have come to an end.

Naw I imagine they will continue course since the last 20 years.

• Try to delegitimize Biden. They've done this to every Dem president since Nixon.... ya they're still super mad about Nixon.
• Like Tories, they see themselves as the "naturally ruling party".
• They're not interested in power sharing.
• Not really interested in good governance.

McConnell and Lindsey Graham will drown you with clutched pearls and turn into deficit hawks. Remember January 2009.

• Mitch McConnell, “The question is not doing nothing versus doing something,” but “the appropriateness of an almost $1 trillion spending bill to address the problem.”
• Lindsey Graham, “If you believe this is a good process to spend $800 billion, we’re on different planets.”
• Chuck Grassley, “the package's massive government spending and long-term entitlement commitments … will leave the next generation with trillion dollar deficits.”
• Lamar Alexander, “Should we ask every American family to increase their $531,000 debt in order to spend money for a stimulus package to try to restart the economy?”

McConnell bet that deliberately inflicting greater suffering on the American people would bring Republicans back from the wilderness. Republican sweep of the 2010 midterms were the result.
It partly a reason why many Bernie Deadenders also want to damage any Democrat administration.

They fantasize about creating and filling that same void of backlash. Except that evangelicals and Tea PArtiers vote more consistently than the OurRevolutiton wannabees

[Kaleredar]

Naw I imagine they will continue course since the last 20 years.

• Try to delegitimize Biden. They've done this to every Dem president since Nixon.... ya they're still super mad about Nixon.
• Like Tories, they see themselves as the "naturally ruling party".
• They're not interested in power sharing.
• Not really interested in good governance.

McConnell and Lindsey Graham will drown you with clutched pearls and turn into deficit hawks. Remember January 2009.

• Mitch McConnell, “The question is not doing nothing versus doing something,” but “the appropriateness of an almost $1 trillion spending bill to address the problem.”
• Lindsey Graham, “If you believe this is a good process to spend $800 billion, we’re on different planets.”
• Chuck Grassley, “the package's massive government spending and long-term entitlement commitments … will leave the next generation with trillion dollar deficits.”
• Lamar Alexander, “Should we ask every American family to increase their $531,000 debt in order to spend money for a stimulus package to try to restart the economy?”

McConnell bet that deliberately inflicting greater suffering on the American people would bring Republicans back from the wilderness. Republican sweep of the 2010 midterms were the result.
It partly a reason why many Bernie Deadenders also want to damage any Democrat administration.

They fantasize about creating and filling that same void of backlash. Except that evangelicals and Tea PArtiers vote more consistently than the OurRevolutiton wannabees

Oh I’ve no doubt that the republicans will continue to be petty assholes.

I’m just saying they won’t be doing so while catering to Trump’s caprices. They’re going to want to rewrite their narrative of supporting him ASAP.

[Acidbaron]

This crisis highlights the weaknesses in our nation. For the US this means the lack of social security constructs to aid people.

People also in this thread keep saying that trump has the ability to deflect every controversy and scandal, but it doesn't seem like he is capable of doing this with a health crisis. Something this black and white as life or death, money or no money does not seem to be something he is doing great over, he is even digging a hole greater for himself.

Went to twitter and i mean, the cartoons and pictures lined up there of him standing on top of corpses bragging about his ratings is not going down well with many.

What i wonder is, if this crisis is not going to be used to delay the elections and extend the presidency? It is not that he has much respect for any democratic process or laws for that matter.

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Thousands of coronavirus tests are going unused in US labs


US labs that underwent huge efforts to retool for COVID-19 testing still aren’t operating at full capacity. Experts say the lack of a national strategy is largely to blame.

Article Link


Some snippets from the article in question, some of which were portrayed as the government as positives earlier and further highlighting as to why a government protectionist in nature and lacking actual leadership makes an impossible situation even harder, despite efforts of those willing to work to a solution;

“Our capacity is 2,000 tests a day,” says Stacey Gabriel, a human geneticist at the Broad Institute of MIT and Harvard in Cambridge, Massachusetts, where testing facilities were approved in March. “But we aren’t doing that many. Yesterday was around 1,000. What is holding us back? That is the question,” she says.

Scientists say federal leadership is needed to organize US testing, to reduce bureaucratic and logistical barriers.


"The World Health Organization (WHO) began warning governments to prepare for COVID-19 in January. The agency also vetted and distributed a German-developed PCR-based test for the virus. But rather than use this test, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) developed its own. For most of February, this was the only test permitted in the United States."

Another step — the one that leading scientists are best prepared to address — was working out the most reliable test to use. Many decided against the CDC’s version. “I don’t want to be disparaging, but the people who made the CDC kit simply failed at molecular biology — they created a nightmare,” says Urnov.


Even so, Urnov says, hospitals rejected an offer of free tests from his centre, funded by philanthropic organizations. “I show up in a magic ship,” Urnov says, “with 20,000 free kits and CLIA and everything, and the major hospitals say: ‘Go away, we cannot interface with you.’”

“We need a national framework for states to make decisions on testing,” he says. In a letter to the White House obtained by Nature, scientists listed the bottlenecks they face, along with a plan to help cities and towns across the United States get the tests they need.



In Summary, labs have done all they can to run at maximum capacity but the federal government is in over its head, unable to properly restructure to create an unified effort.
Not all of this appears to be on trump as they also speak of a fragmented healthcare landscape with everyone just doing their own thing, however this in my opinion can be blamed to the republican ideology of state rights, where you further dismantle the federal oversight and let everyone just do whatever they please.

It also shows why simply raging and dismissing everything from the WHO is going to cause more issues and why the plan to cut funding is standing to make this crisis even worse and that means Americans are going to be paying the price for cutting WHO funding.

It is not a fun read but it offers a better insight in everything that is going wrong and might prevent some from easily jumping on one bandwagon or the other.

ps: Nature is a scientific journal, not political and a highly credible source. It is the same scientific journal that also posted the study that debunked the story of this virus being lab made.

[Trunksee]

This crisis highlights the weaknesses in our nation. For the US this means the lack of social security constructs to aid people.

People also in this thread keep saying that trump has the ability to deflect every controversy and scandal, but it doesn't seem like he is capable of doing this with a health crisis. Something this black and white as life or death, money or no money does not seem to be something he is doing great over, he is even digging a hole greater for himself.

Went to twitter and i mean, the cartoons and pictures lined up there of him standing on top of corpses bragging about his ratings is not going down well with many.

What i wonder is, if this crisis is not going to be used to delay the elections and extend the presidency? It is not that he has much respect for any democratic process or laws for that matter.

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Thousands of coronavirus tests are going unused in US labs


US labs that underwent huge efforts to retool for COVID-19 testing still aren’t operating at full capacity. Experts say the lack of a national strategy is largely to blame.

Article Link


Some snippets from the article in question, some of which were portrayed as the government as positives earlier and further highlighting as to why a government protectionist in nature and lacking actual leadership makes an impossible situation even harder, despite efforts of those willing to work to a solution;

“Our capacity is 2,000 tests a day,” says Stacey Gabriel, a human geneticist at the Broad Institute of MIT and Harvard in Cambridge, Massachusetts, where testing facilities were approved in March. “But we aren’t doing that many. Yesterday was around 1,000. What is holding us back? That is the question,” she says.

Scientists say federal leadership is needed to organize US testing, to reduce bureaucratic and logistical barriers.


"The World Health Organization (WHO) began warning governments to prepare for COVID-19 in January. The agency also vetted and distributed a German-developed PCR-based test for the virus. But rather than use this test, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) developed its own. For most of February, this was the only test permitted in the United States."

Another step — the one that leading scientists are best prepared to address — was working out the most reliable test to use. Many decided against the CDC’s version. “I don’t want to be disparaging, but the people who made the CDC kit simply failed at molecular biology — they created a nightmare,” says Urnov.


Even so, Urnov says, hospitals rejected an offer of free tests from his centre, funded by philanthropic organizations. “I show up in a magic ship,” Urnov says, “with 20,000 free kits and CLIA and everything, and the major hospitals say: ‘Go away, we cannot interface with you.’”

“We need a national framework for states to make decisions on testing,” he says. In a letter to the White House obtained by Nature, scientists listed the bottlenecks they face, along with a plan to help cities and towns across the United States get the tests they need.



In Summary, labs have done all they can to run at maximum capacity but the federal government is in over its head, unable to properly restructure to create an unified effort.
Not all of this appears to be on trump as they also speak of a fragmented healthcare landscape with everyone just doing their own thing, however this in my opinion can be blamed to the republican ideology of state rights, where you further dismantle the federal oversight and let everyone just do whatever they please.

It also shows why simply raging and dismissing everything from the WHO is going to cause more issues and why the plan to cut funding is standing to make this crisis even worse and that means Americans are going to be paying the price for cutting WHO funding.

It is not a fun read but it offers a better insight in everything that is going wrong and might prevent some from easily jumping on one bandwagon or the other.

ps: Nature is a scientific journal, not political and a highly credible source. It is the same scientific journal that also posted the study that debunked the story of this virus being lab made.

First off so we are relying on Twitter now for how bad it is for Trump? If I went off what twitter says Bernie would be winning this in a landslide first of all. Second of all you do understand he has ran on a platform of the liberal tears so all these posts are probably making him giddy inside that so many liberals are losing their mind.

And your right about the states rights thing. So I would blame governor Baker if a testing lab in Massachusetts can do more. Also in my state, now I know its small, the Governor is begging people go get tested now as we cant get people to show up to be tested. Doctors aren't sending enough people in RI to be tested. Now that we have the 15 minute tests we are testing twice per capita what Mass and Conn are doing and they cant even get people to show up to be tested. The main problem becomes people now who have mild symptoms and are unsure if they have it aren't going to testing sites out of fear that they don't and they will catch it while they are there. You don't even need a doctor to send you anymore here, you just go on CVS website and schedule your own test.

And while I'm typing I want to address this mass grave thing on Twitter that's floating around. This is absolutely normal practice according to some one I know in the medical field. If a person dies and no one claims the body in a certain time frame the body is buried by the state. A lot of people dying are older and its going at a quick clip and some may not have family to claim the body. Now a lot of them actually would have gone to military or medical testing sites if they died of other causes but with covid its safer just to dispose of the bodies. That site has been used for unclaimed bodies for years now and it may look bad because its so many but its actually normal practice.

[Acidbaron]

First off so we are relying on Twitter now for how bad it is for Trump? If I went off what twitter says Bernie would be winning this in a landslide first of all. Second of all you do understand he has ran on a platform of the liberal tears so all these posts are probably making him giddy inside that so many liberals are losing their mind.

And your right about the states rights thing. So I would blame governor Baker if a testing lab in Massachusetts can do more. Also in my state, now I know its small, the Governor is begging people go get tested now as we cant get people to show up to be tested. Doctors aren't sending enough people in RI to be tested. Now that we have the 15 minute tests we are testing twice per capita what Mass and Conn are doing and they cant even get people to show up to be tested. The main problem becomes people now who have mild symptoms and are unsure if they have it aren't going to testing sites out of fear that they don't and they will catch it while they are there. You don't even need a doctor to send you anymore here, you just go on CVS website and schedule your own test.

And while I'm typing I want to address this mass grave thing on Twitter that's floating around. This is absolutely normal practice according to some one I know in the medical field. If a person dies and no one claims the body in a certain time frame the body is buried by the state. A lot of people dying are older and its going at a quick clip and some may not have family to claim the body. Now a lot of them actually would have gone to military or medical testing sites if they died of other causes but with covid its safer just to dispose of the bodies. That site has been used for unclaimed bodies for years now and it may look bad because its so many but its actually normal practice.

I am more speaking of the nature of this crisis and that ending up being a more negative towards him, as for where he stands in the election if americans decide to vote for four more years of hardship it is their issue, the world woke up a few years ago to a more protectionist america that is shrinking in power and is learning to adapt towards it.

Twitter was merely an example of how the public feels, but i don't base his popularity of on that after all popularity has very little to do with winning an election in the US, who for a democratic country has a rather undemocratic system in place that has only gotten worse every election cycle and voter suppression is also a common practice apparently. Don't read this as blind stab at the US or americans, i simply find it easier to not put too much stock into the nation over the coming years, some states might do fine but even if a democrat gets elected they inherit a broken and dismantled system once again from republicans, i doubt they can do much in those 4 years before the next populist comes along as the core issue why people vote for something like trump hasn't been tackled.

As for the tests, it also does not help you have a federal government saying that not everybody has to get tested, so combine that with the fear of getting infected people rather wait it out, what is going to cost lives as we know of reports that people went from feeling fine to deadly ill in simply 48 hours. What again is why a working federal government is important, what is in essence the point of the article i posted. CNN also picked that story up about the test kits and the CDC preventing states from using their own leaving them sitting on their hands for two weeks.


Mass grave thing i am aware of is for people who don't have family or others claim them, it is sadly a common practice. I believe the reports on it is not to show what it is at least here it is being reported on correctly but more the amount of bodies being stored there due to the crisis.

[Acidbaron]

Remember when we vaguely thought he'd seen the light and wasn't pushing for the country to ignore the contagious virus that kills people and get everyone packed into churches?

Yeah.... we're back to not giving a fuck, I guess.

And due to this kind of narrative you are going to see a huge spike in a good week or two as Easter is taking place this weekend. European nations are considering opening under strict conditions at maybe somewhere in May, the US administration is also being guided on this more so by private advisors from the industry while health experts are being side lined most likely.

Maybe the republican ideology is since it's already this bad, might as well just let it run rampant through out the entire nation and see what's left.

I fully expect that the US won't be opening in May as i am of opinion there are a few tragedies on the way that are going to unfold over the next two weeks.

[Paranoid Android]

Attorney General William Barr said that President Trump was right to fire the inspector general who disclosed the whistle-blower complaint about Trump’s dealings with Ukraine and that the president’s political enemies could face criminal prosecution https://t.co/8JN77wlXOP

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1...683497472?s=19

Wow!

Barr also stated he did not believe in the Russians investigation.

The quote from above is frightening. He is threatening people who their job was oversight.

[Breccia]

Anyone thinking this man is doing a good job and being super presidential needs checking for brain tumors or something.

There's more on that.

One, Trump is attempting to throw Sonny Purdue under a bus by making it clear he is the holdup for why the farmers Trump claims he loves so much haven't gotten any of the $9.5 billion Congress allocated. Meanwhile, Trump's tariffs and the trade war with Jyna remain intact, and only Trump is in charge of that.

Two, I mentioned yesterday that the Democrats are pushing for funding for hospitals, state governments, and food aid. McConnell and the GOP blocked this and expected Democrats to vote for their grants (yes, grants, this is a bailout) for "small" businesses, a term for which only Trump has authority to decide and he's refusing any oversight. Trump just publicly backed that play and has, therefore, admitted he has no interest in helping hospitals, the state governments, or starving Americans. He's also pushing for payroll tax cuts again -- which (a) slowly trickles-down money over time and (b) has no effect on the X million Americans who all just got fired, and therefore, aren't paying payroll taxes.

Trump is doing everything in his power to remind us how incompetent he is. It's likely we'll see more of that soon. That oil deal Trump promised? It's basically waiting on his signature. MBS and Putin have agreed to a 10% cut (which is neither yuge, nor bigly) but they have insisted the US also cut their production. Now, Trump could very easily turn to his big oil campaign donors and say "Please cut your production 5%, and I'll give you billions of taxpayer money since I've blocked all oversight" and, well, cause Americans to pay more taxes in exchange for more expensive gasoline. Or, he could do nothing, and watch the oil deal he's promote strongly multiple times (to pump the stock market) fizzle out. Considering that the Saudis and Russia out-oil the US together, I don't really think there's a third option. Trump can't bully his way out of this one. He could slap on an oil tariff, but that would just, again, cause Americans to pay more taxes for more expensive gasoline, only that way would be more blatantly Trump's fault.