Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Felya]

It goes back to some people, and in the case of the new bailout, lots of people.

I don’t think that was a choice Trump made... more of a compromise.

[Orbitus]

Before corona? yes, the numbers were great.
If alot of people had a job you improve alot of family lives and before corona alot had a job to build a future.

No, actually they weren't. The stock market was doing good, riding the Obama economy, but since the tax cuts, the economy had basically faltered. There is a reason the fed kept cutting rates.

[beanman12345]

The world economy is down the shitter, so its just the question what country will recover the fastest.
I rather have a businessman as president the next 4 years after corona to kickstart the economy then a socialist that is more concerned about having a female vice president and other stupid BS.

You might have an argument if we were talking a successful businessman vs a socialist, however, we have neither in the presidential race in 2020, so, your argument is quite shit. Others will be more diplomatic and rip your argument to shreds, but I'm just gonna sit here and laugh at you for ignorantly making this post.

[Crissi]

calling Trump a successful business man is rich. If you need to declare bankruptcy, you aren't a successful executive lol.

[Benggaul]

One bit that jumped out at me during the briefing:



Source

Bold addition mine. So uh. Ahem. I don't have one of those handy-dandy charts available of the things said by the president as the numbers rose... but uh...

OH OH! I kinda do! (Because I immediately stole it from Breccia.)

[Machismo]

I don’t think that was a choice Trump made... more of a compromise.

And yet, he and his supporters are embracing that socialism.

[Breccia]

So let's review.

1) Target did not partner with the federal government.

He said they would. Either Trump lied, or Trump was unable to strike a deal handing money to a retail chain during a virus outbreak.

2) There is no Google website.

Trump said the following:

So we want to also announce this new approach to testing, which will start in the screening website up here, facilitated by Google, where clients and patients and people that have interest can go, fill out a screening questionnaire — move down for symptoms or risk factors, yes. They would move down this and be told where the drive-thru options would be for them to receive this test. The labs will then move to the high-throughput automated machines to be able to provide results in 24 to 36 hours.

Granted, Google clarified immediately, but still, it's been a month and...nothing.

3) Drive-thru testing is no longer being funded. Either Trump lied when he said he wanted it available for all Americans, or he forgot to clarify "for a few weeks, just until the cases peak, then we'll stop". Neither option is redeeming. Almost as if sensing that, there are nearly none open.

4) Trump also promised he would waive state license requirements, so that doctors could practice where needed.

The declaration will provide HHS with critical authorities to waive:

Licensing requirements so doctors from other states can provide services in areas with the greatest need.

He can't. The federal government does not control state medical licenses.

5) This one surprised me.

The president announced that his administration would "purchase, at a very good price, large quantities of crude oil for storage in the U.S. Strategic Reserve."

"We're going to fill it right up to the top," he said, "saving the American taxpayer billions and billions of dollars."

The Trump administration has not done so. The president made the promise without first securing the funds from Congress, and the Department of Energy puts the responsibility on Congress' shoulders.

I mean, why didn't, say, Trump go on TV and say "Hey Congress, you need to pass a bill so I can do this" or "Hey McConnell, write a bill so I can do this"? I mean, oil got cheap. This was a slam dunk. Why didn't he move on it? Yeah I know, Congress didn't either, but they didn't promise to. I didn't balance the federal budget. Good thing I never said I would. Good thing I never campaigned and ran on that promise, then failed to do so. It'd be great if I did, but, it's not my fault that I didn't.

To be fair, not everything Trump promised failed. Just literally all of it that required help from anyone else. For someone who campaigned and ran on the strength of his deal making, he failed at every deal he promised he made in his Rose Garden speech a month ago.

I guess when people say "I want a businessman president" they should be more specific, and ask for a successful one. Trump wasn't. He still isn't.

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(Because I immediately stole it from Breccia.)

It's not stealing if I leave it in public. You do you, bro.

[Thepersona]

calling Trump a successful business man is rich. If you need to declare bankruptcy, you aren't a successful executive lol.

A succesful businessman who earned most of his riches from his dead parent. Who earned most of his riches from his (respective) dead parent, who died from the spanish flu.

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Before corona? yes, the numbers were great.
If alot of people had a job you improve alot of family lives and before corona alot had a job to build a future.

Yeah no. The numbers were worse than Obamas, and they were built on a house of cards. And remeber, the massive fuckup of the pandemic by the US is his fault alone.

[Edge-]

calling Trump a successful business man is rich. If you need to declare bankruptcy, you aren't a successful executive lol.

Though...arguably the way he's treated his business ventures as slush funds and protected himself for the most part when they went under is impressive.

In the same way that, say, it's impressive that Al Capone only went to prison for tax evasion.

[Crissi]

Though...arguably the way he's treated his business ventures as slush funds and protected himself for the most part when they went under is impressive.

In the same way that, say, it's impressive that Al Capone only went to prison for tax evasion.

While true, that is the exact opposite of how to run a country.

Hell, a country shouldn't be run as a business at all (minus maybe cutting some red tape if it makes things more efficient), because the government is supposed to serve the people, not make a profit.

[Breccia]

While true, that is the exact opposite of how to run a country.

Now now, if Trump was doing the opposite of running a country, he'd be racking up a massive deficit, breaking military and trade deals without replacements, ignoring every rule or branch of government in an attempt to seize total power, intentionally attacking the election system he says needs protection, insisting on 100-year-old technology like coal and steam and diesel cars while blocking things like solar and electric vehicles, and being an anti-vaxxer who personally removed the safeguards against outbreaks that he claims are a hoax, allowing tens of thousands of oh, God, I'd call it a farce but his rabid fanbase would probably say "he who smelt it dealt it".

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Total rises to 22,079 and a break from the two-thousand-a-day streak

Toll rises to 23, 628 (I'm an hour early) and stays about the same number. Hopefully the downward trend, caused primarily by social distancing and stay-at-home orders from state and local leaders, seem to be flattening the curve. Hopefully we continue to see that trend and not, say, throw it all away for a few dollars.

[D Luniz]

Before corona? yes, the numbers were great.
If alot of people had a job you improve alot of family lives and before corona alot had a job to build a future.

so THATS why the fed was cutting interest rates over and over

[PhaelixWW]

The world economy is down the shitter, so its just the question what country will recover the fastest.
I rather have a businessman as president the next 4 years after corona to kickstart the economy then a socialist that is more concerned about having a female vice president and other stupid BS.

So, you'd rather trust a failed businessman who has overseen six bankruptcies than a person who, as Vice President, already has experience overseeing the recovery from the previous recession?

Oopsies, your bias is showing!

[D Luniz]

A succesful businessman who earned most of his riches from his dead parent. Who earned most of his riches from his (respective) dead parent, who died from the spanish flu.
*snip*

AND stole some more from his brother's family

But the drama was hardly put to rest. Freddy’s son, Fred III, spoke at the funeral, and that night, his wife went into labor with their son, who developed seizures that led to cerebral palsy. The Trump family promised that it would take care of the medical bills.

Then came the unveiling of Fred Sr.’s will, which Donald had helped draft. It divided the bulk of the inheritance, at least $20 million, among his children and their descendants, “other than my son Fred C. Trump Jr.”

Freddy’s children sued, claiming that an earlier version of the will had entitled them to their father’s share of the estate, but that Donald and his siblings had used “undue influence” over their grandfather, who had dementia, to cut them out.

A week later, Mr. Trump retaliated by withdrawing the medical benefits critical to his nephew’s infant child.

“I was angry because they sued,” he explained during last week’s interview.

[Breccia]

Bold addition mine.

Yeah, see, Trump never said who criticized him. I gave the forums weeks to find a source. Some dude finally mentioned his Muslim ban. It was embarrassing, humiliating even, that even after weeks of time to find one single source, they didn't even bother to read the articles they linked.

Which of course doesn't at all lead to this, but I just wanted to stomp on that point again because of how emasculating it was.

Trump prepares $15.5 billion in aid to US farmers.

"What's wrong with that?"

Nothing. Well, not much. It was in the bill he signed into law a couple weeks ago, so, nice of him to finally get moving. He has an entire Department of Agriculture, you'd think they'd want to move on this. Oh, and Congress gave out $23.5 billion and could always pass more, so Trump is reserving a third, but some of it isn't available until June 30th, there's some strange regulations involved. Checks are due to be received "in weeks".

Which sounds like May.

Which...sounds like after planting season for most of the country. I mean, farms up here will be okay, I guess, we plant much later than y'all. Zone 6, the largest one that goes across the country, has a fair number of crops that should have been in the ground by now.

Oh, and *ahem* I've heard nothing to suggest China's going to buy all those farm goods Trump said they would. Actually, it's worse.

China has yet to deliver on a key component of its phase one trade deal with the United States, with the coronavirus pandemic proving an obstacle to implementation.

The intellectual property protection action plan – viewed in Washington as a cornerstone of the deal – was supposed to be delivered 30 working days after the agreement came into force on February 15. Thirty working days theoretically expired at the beginning of April, and no plan has been released.

However, with much of the Chinese economy on lockdown after a protracted Lunar New Year holiday in late January and February, the definition of “working days” has become a bone of contention.

Rather than ask for an extension, China is understood to have argued that the action plan is not in fact late, because the number of actual working days in China was greatly reduced due to the shutdowns. This has caused “frustration” at the Office of the US Trade Representative (USTR), said two people familiar with the affair.

Red for Communist Chinese Invaders! (fires missiles)

Yep. Nothing to do with farms, you see. They just didn't feel like living up to their obligation. Trump says they'll follow through, but so far, they've flat out just chosen not to. And further, Trump said they'd buy way more produce than they have in the past but...what if it doesn't exist? China doesn't really need a better excuse than "everyone has coronavirus" to break the deal, but, "you asked us to do the impossible" just throws it back in Trump's face.

As per usual, we'll see. America's farmers are beset on all sides by Trump's words and actions. It's a miracle they're still alive.

[Dontrike]

It's actually kind of embarrassing. We accept this now. The president is expected to have his own style and particulars, but the media is supposed to be purveyors of information.

That right there is a knife wound in good journalism.

And all of that information is true, unless you can prove otherwise, which we know you can't.

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I just get so tired of it. Now I know how people felt in the "Thanks Obama" years.

You mean how Trump was saying Obama wasn't a citizen of this country, people were burning effigies of Obama, saying he would bring in an entire religion into being, and the thin you just said is now a sarcastic meme?

You're not very good at this, even when you are trying.

[Zan15]

Before corona? yes, the numbers were great.
If alot of people had a job you improve alot of family lives and before corona alot had a job to build a future.

Hey you got a second to tell me which numbers were great?

[Orbitus]

Hey you got a second to tell me which numbers were great?

He hasn't really been back since then, I don't think he will be back.

[Dontrike]

The world economy is down the shitter, so its just the question what country will recover the fastest.
I rather have a businessman as president the next 4 years after corona to kickstart the economy then a socialist that is more concerned about having a female vice president and other stupid BS.

You mean the businessman that bankrupted multiple casinos,created a fake college, has a history of not paying employees or contractors, loses constant lawsuits, and skirts the law constantly, THAT businessman?

This is like wanting a blind person to teach archery.

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Before corona? yes, the numbers were great.

As long as you ignore the deficit and debt spiking, the tax cut not doing a thing for the middle class it was created for, the tariffs and trade war fucking over farmers and businesses, the farmer bailout, and the fact the Fed has had to save Trump's economy more than once.

But sure, if you ignore all of that then yes, superb.

[Mayhem]

He...know's he's a part of the administration...right? That it's his administration? Good lord the depths of his ignorance and stupidity are astounding.

Maybe that is what he calls his puppeteers? The ones that tell him what to do because he is too stupid and inept to understand anything?