Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[solinari6]

My guess is Trump will try to open the country back up early, knowing full well that the governors will push back and refuse. Then, come election time when the economy is still in the shitter, he can push blame off on them, saying "Hey I wanted to open things back up, but those pesky governors ruined everything! it's their fault!"

[Edge-]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-...power-struggle

A few things.

1. Why is Trump talking about "mutiny" in relation to governors?

2. Oh wait, it's in relation to a movie. Because of fucking course it is, as entertainment is his wheelhouse and all he knows.

3. Does he think anyone believes that Cuomo calls "every hour" to "beg for supplies"? Because it's been pretty clear that Cuomo, Newsom, and other governors have largely given up on the federal government and are handling everything on their own by now.

4. Again, why is Trump talking about mutiny on his official twitter account?

[Rasulis]

My guess is Trump will try to open the country back up early, knowing full well that the governors will push back and refuse. Then, come election time when the economy is still in the shitter, he can push blame off on them, saying "Hey I wanted to open things back up, but those pesky governors ruined everything! it's their fault!"

That may backfire. Some red states may follow his order and ended up back with high COVID-19 cases.

South Dakota’s governor resisted ordering people to stay home. Now it has one of the nation’s largest coronavirus hot spots.

[Belize]

That may backfire. Some red states may follow his order and ended up back with high COVID-19 cases.

South Dakota’s governor resisted ordering people to stay home. Now it has one of the nation’s largest coronavirus hot spots.

You can't have high numbers if you don't test though.

What's that, hospitals and morgues are overflowing? Unrelated.

[Tenlo]

That may backfire. Some red states may follow his order and ended up back with high COVID-19 cases.

South Dakota’s governor resisted ordering people to stay home. Now it has one of the nation’s largest coronavirus hot spots.

They won't care. When cases explode because we try to go back to normal too soon it'll be the Democrats fault somehow. Doing the inconvenient and unpopular choice that is long term means nothing to the short term damaging popular choice.

[Edge-]

https://www.npr.org/2020/04/13/83279...ly-unfulfilled

NPR went back to his initial Rose Garden address announcing the national emergency. And he made a ton of promises/claims more than a month ago, so let's see how he did!

Formal partnership with Target for...something - Nope, no announcement.

Google tracking project that Google wasn't leading...well, it's live...in CA...for the Bay Area...in beta...so not so much. - Nope

Drive through testing - Most of the retailers present for the address did actually have any drive through testing. Walmart had 2 sites, Walgreens had 2 sites, CVS had 4 sites. So that's 8 sites across the entire US.

Home testing - Trump had an executive from LHC up to brag about how his company, that provides in-home care, would be doing in-home testing! Except they haven't been, with sites in over a dozen states saying that they had neither test kits nor training and had not administered any tests.

But he did do some things!

Waiving interest on student loans? Yep, awesome!
Waiving regulations to give medical professionals more flexibility to respond? Yep, cool.

And didn't do even more other things.

Waiving restrictions for doctors who have a license to practice in one state but not another where they may be needed? Well...that's done at the state level and Trump can't do that. So this was a miss.

"Fill[ing the US Strategic Reserve] right up to the top" with crude oil? Also not done because...Trump needs Congress to appropriate the money for it, as they hold the purse strings. So again, a promise that's literally outside his power.

But there are plenty of tests being produced!...just not enough. And testing labs already over capacity. And the swabs/tubes needed to collect the samples are in short supply.

Interesting insight from a former USAID administrator on the public-private partnerships under Trump -

"What you want to have is a constructive partnership between the federal government and the private sector. Instead, what we see, I think, is a game of 'not it,' " said Konyndyk, who served in the Obama administration at USAID, leading the government response to international disasters.

[Thekri]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-...power-struggle

A few things.

1. Why is Trump talking about "mutiny" in relation to governors?

2. Oh wait, it's in relation to a movie. Because of fucking course it is, as entertainment is his wheelhouse and all he knows.

3. Does he think anyone believes that Cuomo calls "every hour" to "beg for supplies"? Because it's been pretty clear that Cuomo, Newsom, and other governors have largely given up on the federal government and are handling everything on their own by now.

4. Again, why is Trump talking about mutiny on his official twitter account?

I think Dacien would call ranting about mutiny to be this president's "Styles and particulars".

It is just an endearing personality perk. Nothing ominous about insisting he has absolute power like some sort of Disney villain.

[Rasulis]

https://www.npr.org/2020/04/13/83279...ly-unfulfilled

NPR went back to his initial Rose Garden address announcing the national emergency. And he made a ton of promises/claims more than a month ago, so let's see how he did!

Formal partnership with Target for...something - Nope, no announcement.

Google tracking project that Google wasn't leading...well, it's live...in CA...for the Bay Area...in beta...so not so much. - Nope

Drive through testing - Most of the retailers present for the address did actually have any drive through testing. Walmart had 2 sites, Walgreens had 2 sites, CVS had 4 sites. So that's 8 sites across the entire US.

Home testing - Trump had an executive from LHC up to brag about how his company, that provides in-home care, would be doing in-home testing! Except they haven't been, with sites in over a dozen states saying that they had neither test kits nor training and had not administered any tests.

But he did do some things!

Waiving interest on student loans? Yep, awesome!
Waiving regulations to give medical professionals more flexibility to respond? Yep, cool.

And didn't do even more other things.

Waiving restrictions for doctors who have a license to practice in one state but not another where they may be needed? Well...that's done at the state level and Trump can't do that. So this was a miss.

"Fill[ing the US Strategic Reserve] right up to the top" with crude oil? Also not done because...Trump needs Congress to appropriate the money for it, as they hold the purse strings. So again, a promise that's literally outside his power.

But there are plenty of tests being produced!...just not enough. And testing labs already over capacity. And the swabs/tubes needed to collect the samples are in short supply.

Interesting insight from a former USAID administrator on the public-private partnerships under Trump -

He is good at making big promises. Not so much with the actual execution. Typical developer mentality.

[Acidbaron]

https://www.npr.org/2020/04/13/83279...ly-unfulfilled

NPR went back to his initial Rose Garden address announcing the national emergency. And he made a ton of promises/claims more than a month ago, so let's see how he did!

Formal partnership with Target for...something - Nope, no announcement.

Google tracking project that Google wasn't leading...well, it's live...in CA...for the Bay Area...in beta...so not so much. - Nope

Drive through testing - Most of the retailers present for the address did actually have any drive through testing. Walmart had 2 sites, Walgreens had 2 sites, CVS had 4 sites. So that's 8 sites across the entire US.

Home testing - Trump had an executive from LHC up to brag about how his company, that provides in-home care, would be doing in-home testing! Except they haven't been, with sites in over a dozen states saying that they had neither test kits nor training and had not administered any tests.

But he did do some things!

Waiving interest on student loans? Yep, awesome!
Waiving regulations to give medical professionals more flexibility to respond? Yep, cool.

And didn't do even more other things.

Waiving restrictions for doctors who have a license to practice in one state but not another where they may be needed? Well...that's done at the state level and Trump can't do that. So this was a miss.

"Fill[ing the US Strategic Reserve] right up to the top" with crude oil? Also not done because...Trump needs Congress to appropriate the money for it, as they hold the purse strings. So again, a promise that's literally outside his power.

But there are plenty of tests being produced!...just not enough. And testing labs already over capacity. And the swabs/tubes needed to collect the samples are in short supply.

Interesting insight from a former USAID administrator on the public-private partnerships under Trump -

Testing labs also are running into issues to actually test because there's no federal government occupied with creating a standard in a heavy fragmented landscape.
Labs are not running at full capacity due to that, this is an article from last week might have changed now but doubt it.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01068-3

[Poopymonster]

You can't have high numbers if you don't test though.

What's that, hospitals and morgues are overflowing? Unrelated.

They died of Freedom Overdoses.

[D Luniz]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-...power-struggle

A few things.

1. Why is Trump talking about "mutiny" in relation to governors?

2. Oh wait, it's in relation to a movie. Because of fucking course it is, as entertainment is his wheelhouse and all he knows.

3. Does he think anyone believes that Cuomo calls "every hour" to "beg for supplies"? Because it's been pretty clear that Cuomo, Newsom, and other governors have largely given up on the federal government and are handling everything on their own by now.

4. Again, why is Trump talking about mutiny on his official twitter account?

I could believe Cuomo is calling every time the feds swipe supplies.
So not begging.

[PfeffermintShake]

Why does Trump call Putin three times in four days?





I don’t think Trump has spoken w/ Speaker of the House once this year. Or any governors aside from DeSantis this much.

[Zan15]

Why does Trump call Putin three times in four days?




I don’t think Trump has spoken w/ Speaker of the House once this year. Or any governors aside from DeSantis this much.

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
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Do you think it’s just luck that gas prices are so low, and falling? Low gas prices are like another Tax Cut!



So wait, based on Trumps crazy logic...he basically is excited about a huge Tax INCREASE....If prices of gas go up up up?

[Edge-]

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
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Do you think it’s just luck that gas prices are so low, and falling? Low gas prices are like another Tax Cut!



So wait, based on Trumps crazy logic...he basically is excited about a huge Tax INCREASE....If prices of gas go up up up?

He's great and amazing because he reduced the price of gas (he didn't) and gave everyone a tax cut!

He's great and amazing because he increased the price of gas (he sorta did) to boost US petroleum companies and gave everyone a tax increase!

Both things are not contradictory and make perfect and total sense!...

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https://www.newsweek.com/what-ballot...-fraud-1497822

Trump complaining about ballot harvesting...oh the irony that the only reported incidents of this that I can think of were committed by Republicans.

I can't say I'm surprised that he's complaining about voter fraud already. Gotta lay the groundwork for November to claim fraud should he lose.

[Breccia]

My guess is Trump will try to open the country back up early

He can't. Just because he said he can doesn't mean shit. Trump lies all the time about everything, and also, it's legally impossible.

Now, he does have control over certain things like national borders and international airports. But he cannot tell Cuomo anything other than "why yes, I will go get fucked, thanks for asking". And if this wasn't true, it would have come up in court a while ago.

EDIT: Also, to quote Cuomo:

The governors had to close the economy, which was not politically easy to do. But now the federal government can open it? Well, why didn't you close it if you can open it?

1. Why is Trump talking about "mutiny" in relation to governors?

Has he been reading my posts? Oh shit, right, they're over 140 characters. Nevermind.

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Why does Trump call Putin three times in four days?

Oil. The man who bragged about cheap gas is now terrified of cheap oil which will put his campaign donors out of business. I mean, more than his tariffs have. Deregulating only does so much -- who cares if you can drill wherever you want without cleaning up, if the oil is still cheaper than the cost to drill it?

Low gas prices are like another Tax Cut!

No, they're not. It's like a Going Out Of Business sale.

[Edge-]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-ne...otal-authority

Even Fox News is pointing out that is Obama had even hinted at the levels of power Trump claims to have, conservatives would have completely lost their minds.

Though interestingly, Brit Hume did manage to find a way to criticize Trump for his outlandish claims while also blaming the media.

Trump made a "serial exaggeration" which...is a really sanitized way of saying "ignorant liar"

But it's the "media's" fault because of their "insistent focus on stuff he says, as if that is more important than what he actually does"

And because more often than not his words are bluster without any substance, the media shouldn't cover it...which I...I don't know what to say to something so mind numbingly stupid.

[rayvio]

how is he not in prison already? or a psychiatric hospital

[Felya]

how is he not in prison already? or a psychiatric hospital

When was the last time someone of Trump’s power, actually paid for what they do?

[Breccia]

"serial exaggeration"

"Shirley, you can't be serial."

FOX News is stuck between a rock and a hard place.
1) The person they've been defending is a blatant liar.
2) But they've been defending him.

Turn on Trump, and they lose viewers.

Continue lying, and they risk losing everything when Trump's lies start killing people.

(checks news)

Continues killing people. I mean, let's find the article where FOX News talked about windmills causing cancer.

Here's the video, by the way.

FOX News did not cover the story. They covered this one.

George Conway identifies himself as ‘windmill cancer survivor’ on Twitter in apparent dig at Trump

George Conway has taken another jab at President Trump, this time labeling himself a “windmill cancer survivor” in his Twitter profile.

It's an apparent reference to the president’s speech at the National Republican Congressional Committee's annual spring dinner on April 2, where he said wind turbine noise causes cancer. (Politifact has labeled that claim false.)

Oh, right, that was FOX News citing Politifact. They linked and everything. Right about now, half the people on my ignore list are saying "well, shit".

Conway, the spouse of White House adviser Kellyanne Conway, has become an outspoken critic of the president via Twitter messages, calling the president “pathological” and “incoherent” -- and even suggesting he has a “disorder” and an inquiry needs to be conducted regarding his “condition of mind.”

Trump recently fired back at Conway, calling him “jealous” of his wife’s success and a “stone cold LOSER & husband from hell!”

Kellyanne Conway has herself weighed in on the bitter feud, calling her husband’s attacks on Trump “unusual” and thanking the president for defending her.

"Oh Breccia, you always cut out the best parts. Why don't you quote the whole thing?"

I did quote the whole thing.

But maybe you don't believe me? Calling all Trump supporters, you have 24 hours to find the FOX News article that covers Trump saying windmills cause cancer. Failure to find it means, yep, FOX News did not cover the story, probably out of shame. Failure to look? Well, you know what that means: You're a coward who knows that Trump is blatantly lying to the American people, but refuse to admit it publicly.

It's okay. Failure to post on the subject will be taken as such admission on your behalf. Or maybe I'm lying? Maybe you can find the article? Go for it. Go ahead. Take as much time as you want. Find it, link it, rub it in my virtual face. Here, in public. I allow, nay, beg you to try.

Back to the main topic: FOX News knows full well Trump tells thousands of lies directly to the American people. He lies about everything all the time, including lying about lying itself. FOX News, at some point, will have to make a decision. Stop reporting facts, or turn on Trump.

There is no third option. Trump has removed that third option.

[DarkTZeratul]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-...power-struggle

A few things.

1. Why is Trump talking about "mutiny" in relation to governors?

2. Oh wait, it's in relation to a movie. Because of fucking course it is, as entertainment is his wheelhouse and all he knows.

3. Does he think anyone believes that Cuomo calls "every hour" to "beg for supplies"? Because it's been pretty clear that Cuomo, Newsom, and other governors have largely given up on the federal government and are handling everything on their own by now.

4. Again, why is Trump talking about mutiny on his official twitter account?

My absolute favorite part of that article is this:

Trump also tweeted the reference to Mutiny on the Bounty, which he said is one of his “all time favorite movies.” He compared himself with the main character, Lieutenant William Bligh, who some Twitter users pointed out was a dictatorial captain who was cruel to his own crewmen, which caused them to rebel against him.