Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Captain N]

Yeah...sigh...total deaths now stand at 30,844. Well over double the H1N1 outbreak. Almost double what Trump said the H1N1 outbreak was.

If we hit the inflection point, like, now, those more recent predictions of 60,000 could yet come to pass. Every day we don't, the total keeps getting pushed up.

Stay at home. Please.

Gonna be hard to stay at home. We have Republicans in various states trying to override their governors shelter in place mandates.

[Benggaul]

Yeah...sigh...total deaths now stand at 30,844. Well over double the H1N1 outbreak. Almost double what Trump said the H1N1 outbreak was.

If we hit the inflection point, like, now, those more recent predictions of 60,000 could yet come to pass. Every day we don't, the total keeps getting pushed up.

Stay at home. Please.

To add at least a bit of positivity to this, there's a chance that some of the numbers from the past two days have come from adjustments to reporting. Cuomo said that they'll be reporting causes according to new CDC guidelines, whatever that may be. Also, as time goes on, treatment of the worst cases ought to improve (and ICU capacity ought to be expanded), so hopefully that means more lives saved and diminishing totals daily.

[Thepersona]

Gonna be hard to stay at home. We have Republicans in various states trying to override their governors shelter in place mandates.

I may ask, why?

[Orbitus]

I may ask, why?

Cuz they are retarded. Simple as that. They think the people in power, AKA the governors are trampling their rights by forcing them to stay home. There was one guy that was getting interviewed about it, saying he could "take care of himself" after having a stroke and quadruple bypass surgery. Obviously he can't take care of himself if he has that bad of health problems.

[Zan15]

King Obama strikes again...wait...umm, i mean Trump?

remember when republicans swore Obama was going to do all kinds of things to make himself king that turned out to be fake news and conspiracy.
Here we have trump outright saying it....

sigh


https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...rs-of-congress

President Trump on Wednesday threatened to use his executive power to force both chambers of Congress to adjourn if the Senate did not confirm his nominees for vacancies across the administration.

The president, during a coronavirus briefing in the Rose Garden, offered a lengthy diatribe against what he described as congressional obstruction and argued confirming his nominees was more urgent than ever amid the pandemic.

"The Senate should either fulfill its duty and vote on my nominees or it should formally adjourn so I can make recess appointments," Trump said. "We have a tremendous number of people that have to come into government. And now more so than ever before because of the virus and the problem."

[Stormspellz]

I may ask, why?

the proganda networks got them to believe "social distancing and public safety is some form of tyranny (and besides its a dem hoax)"

[noidentity]

So wait, are you all telling me that Obama had the authority to adjourn Congress and pack the courts with liberal activist judges and didn't take it?

And Trump is threatening to do that very thing, having already successfully packed the hell out of the courts with conservative activist judges?

I keep telling you, Democrats suck at abusing power. They really need to learn from Republicans on how to accomplish their goals by ratfucking everything.

Article 2 of the constitution stops Trump because the Democrats and Republicans already decided on a date to end the current session.

As usual, jackass Barr likely fed Trump what he wanted to hear and Trump just ran with it without knowing what what he is talking about.

This is nothing but saber rattling from the toddler in chief.

[cubby]

Yeah...sigh...total deaths now stand at 30,844. Well over double the H1N1 outbreak. Almost double what Trump said the H1N1 outbreak was.

If we hit the inflection point, like, now, those more recent predictions of 60,000 could yet come to pass. Every day we don't, the total keeps getting pushed up.

Stay at home. Please.

And we still have entire states that aren't in lockdown. Florida and Texas were the worst - and they barely stayed at home before both idiot governors are now talking about a return to work.

[Captain N]

And we still have entire states that aren't in lockdown. Florida and Texas were the worst - and they barely stayed at home before both idiot governors are now talking about a return to work.

If Florida decides to send everyone back to work I could see them being responsible for a spike in cases everywhere in the country. Damn near everyone who has put off a trip to their theme parks is chomping at the bit to reschedule their cancelled vacation. You start getting people flooding Disney or Universal from places like Texas or Michigan who in turn infect others we end up with cases all over the country again.

[Zaydin]

And we still have entire states that aren't in lockdown. Florida and Texas were the worst - and they barely stayed at home before both idiot governors are now talking about a return to work.

And when people start dying in droves they will deny responsibility.

[Kaleredar]

If Florida decides to send everyone back to work I could see them being responsible for a spike in cases everywhere in the country. Damn near everyone who has put off a trip to their theme parks is chomping at the bit to reschedule their cancelled vacation. You start getting people flooding Disney or Universal from places like Texas or Michigan who in turn infect others we end up with cases all over the country again.

I doubt Disney and the other companies would be willing to reopen their theme parks, especially considering they closed them of their own volition, and not under some government order.

Plus, ordering people back to work is one thing; enticing tourists to come is another. I doubt many people will be chomping at the bit to travel to Florida if their infection statistics start skyrocketing.

[Captain N]

I doubt Disney and the other companies would be willing to reopen their theme parks.

Plus, ordering people back to work is one thing; enticing tourists to come is another. I doubt many people will be chomping at the bit to travel to Florida if their infection statistics start skyrocketing.

I'd like to believe you're right but we're already seeing people claiming that we're experiencing some kind of tyranny for taking precautions against the spread of a disease that's killed close to 30,000 people in the US. They're still buying into the propaganda that this pandemic is being artificially inflated by the media and trying to compare numbers against our total population instead of the mortality rate against the number of confirmed cases (It's about 4.4%) even though we haven't tested near enough people yet.

People are stupid.

Hopefully Disney isn't as stupid as those people.

[Kaleredar]

I'd like to believe you're right but we're already seeing people claiming that we're experiencing some kind of tyranny for taking precautions against the spread of a disease that's killed close to 30,000 people in the US. They're still buying into the propaganda that this pandemic is being artificially inflated by the media and trying to compare numbers against our total population instead of the mortality rate against the number of confirmed cases (It's about 4.4%) even though we haven't tested near enough people yet.

People are stupid.

Hopefully Disney isn't as stupid as those people.

Disney shut down their parks of their own volition. I also doubt they want to go through the process of on-boarding hundreds, maybe even thousands, of new workers before this thing is actually settled.

They might be losing money now, but I bet they’d lose a lot more if they spent money trying to wind things back up only to have to shut it all down again.

[Benggaul]

Disney shut down their parks of their own volition. I also doubt they want to go through the process of on-boarding hundreds, maybe even thousands, of new workers before this thing is actually settled.

They might be losing money now, but I bet they’d lose a lot more if they spent money trying to wind things back up only to have to shut it all down again.

The parks are undoubtedly losing money but the Disney empire as a whole is still practically printing it. They can keep the parks closed as long as it takes without feeling it too badly.

[Breccia]

FOX News pushes conspiracy theory that COVID-19 was man-made, or more precisely, created in a Chinese lab.

Incidentally, while FOX News cites unnamed sources -- hey, didn't Trump say something about unnamed sources being Fake News? I remember it like I'm citing a source right now -- other places, like, say, this international study hosted by Scripps that also says it has natural origin.

The head of the NIH has personally cited this study. I hear rumors that he is a doctor, and has common sense.

Or, failing that, you could ask General Miley. He also said the evidence pointed towards it being natural. If that name sounds familiar, it should. He's the Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. And while he may or may not have read the above-cited study, he did get information from US intelligence.

By the way, Trump has himself spoken on this conspiracy theory. Big surprise, not only did he say in public he liked it, but he also said this:

We’ll see. When you say ‘multiple sources’, now there’s a case where you can use the word ‘sources’. But we are doing a very thorough examination of this horrible situation that happened

That's hypocrisy, of course. Trump said unnamed sources are bullshit, unless of course they say something that is not only something he feels is true, but also, contradicted by both a rigorous scientific study and also his own intelligence departments. Kind of like "And they say the noise causes cancer." The use of "they say" which is, again, not backed up by any scientific study, but cites "multiple sources" and its information he likes, therefore it magically becomes true.

So once again, a shout out to the Trump supporters:

"Multiple sources have told me posting on anonymous forums makes you impotent."

Now many people here will read that and say "What? I can't think of a single study that said this, and also, it doesn't sound true. I am not going to change my behavior."

But if you are a Trump supporter, you must say "Oh, multiple sources? I will follow this advice and stop posting on anonymous forums." Or, you could say "No, just because FOX News and Trump say they have heard multiple sources, that is not enough reason to handwave scientific research." But it's one or the other.

Or, I guess you could say that FOX News is correct, Trump is correct, and by saying so here you are admitting you're impotent.

But those are your three options. If your response takes longer than 24 hours, you might want to see a doctor. Who has common sense.

[Logwyn]

I'd like to believe you're right but we're already seeing people claiming that we're experiencing some kind of tyranny for taking precautions against the spread of a disease that's killed close to 30,000 people in the US. They're still buying into the propaganda that this pandemic is being artificially inflated by the media and trying to compare numbers against our total population instead of the mortality rate against the number of confirmed cases (It's about 4.4%) even though we haven't tested near enough people yet.

People are stupid.

Hopefully Disney isn't as stupid as those people.

They will just remove all the water fountains if they havn't already and make bottle water cost 10 bucks each to make up for the loss. And people will pay it just so they can see a mouse and be a jedi.

[Spectral]

Didn’t see this mentioned yet, but $2000 a month until unemployment returns to pre-Covid-19 levels seems bold. Wonder how many republicans would back it.



https://www.businessinsider.com/amer...ts-plan-2020-4

Seems pretty stingy to me. I propose $5K a month forever. What could possibly be wrong with that?

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FOX News pushes conspiracy theory that COVID-19 was man-made, or more precisely, created in a Chinese lab.

The linked clip doesn't show someone claiming that the virus is man-made. The evidence you linked regarding whether it's man-made or not is completely immaterial to the claim that the origin is a safety mishap in a research lab. The Washington Post reported that the State Department sent cables two years ago indicating safety issues in the Wuhan laboratory. Factually, the lab does indeed house bats and work on coronaviruses in bat models (see this paper, for example) and is ~250 meters from the seafood market where 41 cases were initially identified. From that information, it's pretty easy to come up with models of transmission from lab to market (which is the consensus origin of the outbreak). Pinpointing the correct model would likely prove scientifically impossible and be down to whether there's any intelligence that clearly identifies known mistakes in the lab.

[Noxx79]

Seems pretty stingy to me. I propose $5K a month forever. What could possibly be wrong with that?

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The linked clip doesn't show someone claiming that the virus is man-made. The evidence you linked regarding whether it's man-made or not is completely immaterial to the claim that the origin is a safety mishap in a research lab. The Washington Post reported that the State Department sent cables two years ago indicating safety issues in the Wuhan laboratory. Factually, the lab does indeed house bats and work on coronaviruses in bat models (see this paper, for example) and is ~250 meters from the seafood market where 41 cases were initially identified. From that information, it's pretty easy to come up with models of transmission from lab to market (which is the consensus origin of the outbreak). Pinpointing the correct model would likely prove scientifically impossible and be down to whether there's any intelligence that clearly identifies known mistakes in the lab.

WhY NoT 8 KaGiLlIoN dOlLaRs??!?!?

[Felya]

Didn’t see this mentioned yet, but $2000 a month until unemployment returns to pre-Covid-19 levels seems bold. Wonder how many republicans would back it.

https://www.businessinsider.com/amer...ts-plan-2020-4

The max unemployment from 2018-2019 in WA state, was 450$ per week after taxes. It has been expanded to 600$ per week, before taxes. People who didn’t qualify for unemployment, will receive pretty much the same amount as unemployment. More actually... since you’d get 500$ per kid as well.

Seems pretty stingy to me. I propose $5K a month forever. What could possibly be wrong with that?

It’s pretty much matching unemployment pay outs. It’s not arbitrary...

[Paranoid Android]

I’m delighted to have Michael Caputo join our team at @HHSGov as our Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs, especially at this critical time in our nation’s public health history. https://t.co/xf2YFeXzqy

https://twitter.com/SecAzar/status/1...445907969?s=19

Well that's good news. We need good people for HHS in these times.

What's this?

Caputo, who moved to Moscow in 1990s, was Putin’s image maker, worked for Gasprom, & is close pals with Stone & Manafort, spent last year promoting the Kremlin’s 2016 election Ukraine conspiracy and nonsense about Bidens, in coordination w/ Russian agent Telizhenko. But now...

https://twitter.com/AlexandraChalup/...767873537?s=19

Wonder who hired him? Trump or Putin?