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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Because that's something Trump wants to do going into an election season. Threaten to sue TV stations for running political ads on the claims that they contain something false. Trump wants to pull that thread, his flaming pants are likely to fall apart.

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    The "hoax" of the coronavirus has now killed over a thousand Americans. A fucking thousand.
    The Trump campaign doesn't seem to grasp how the Streisand Effect works. By making it clear that they don't want people seeing this ad, people are going to look for it so they can see it for themselves so they can see what the fuss is about. So by issuing the C&D, they are guaranteeing many more people are going to see it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Fuck it, dropping this here. If Trump wants to sue me too, he knows where to fucking find me.

    So, interesting - look at the March 6 time frame. Where he drops the transcript nonsense, in the middle of mentioning the tests being perfect.

    What. The. Holy. Fuck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Fuck it, dropping this here. If Trump wants to sue me too, he knows where to fucking find me.

    This is a very good post.

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    I honestly do not know what's worse here. The fact our federal leadership is so inept that we're relying on the state governments and certain corporations to fight this battle that we seem to be losing on a daily basis. Or maybe it's the people that continue to defend Trump's actions as more and more Americans bodies pile up because they were more focused on what Nancy Pelosi did with the last version of the bill. Either way everyone needs to stay safe...it's going to get a hell of a lot worse with both of those things combined.
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    Already TheHill has an article describing the handout checks.

    I'll mention just a few bits, you can click the link for the rest.
    1) The earlier draft that had low-income people get less money was removed by the Democrats.
    2) Which means the amount is $1,200 per adult and $500 per child and $0 per adult dependant. This is less than Pelosi's House version. That's why Pelosi is on the record looking for more cash in the next bill.
    3) Your gross income counts, not your taxable income. Sorry, people with a lot of investments and real estate, but those loopholes you use to not pay taxes won't work here.
    4) Illegal aliens don't get it. Anyone who claims they do is a fucking liar and should be called that to their face.
    5) There's some talk of using debit cards instead of paper checks. I'm not sure why that's the way they're going, but if it's faster, whatever.
    6) Speaking of faster,

    Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said at a press briefing Wednesday that the administration expects to have the money to recipients within three weeks in cases where the IRS has direct deposit information for taxpayers.

    According to a paper from the Tax Foundation, in past cases where the federal government has sent direct payments to people during downturns, the amount of time between a law’s enactment and distribution of the payments has ranged from about six weeks to more than two months.
    Once again, when it comes to "Team Trump says one thing, a group of experts say something else" if I lean any harder towards the group of experts I'll fall down.

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    so...for those of us that are already low income, this looks like we have to pay it back in our 2020 taxes because we dont make enough to have over 1200 in refunds.

    That's gonna suck.

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    For comparison.
    On Jan 27, 2020. Joe Biden wrote explaining how serious the coronavirus can become and how he would handle it.
    President has blithely tweeted that 'it will all work out well.' Yet the steps he has taken have only weakened our capacity to respond.

    At that time Bernie was blasting that Joe Rogan had endorsed him.


    Those days...
    Welcome to GEN-OT, have a seat, we'll introduce you to the 23-year-old who will lecture you about how Democrats didn't try hard enough to improve the ACA, and once that's all set up you'll be assigned a socialist who supported Ron Paul up to 2015 to harass you forever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beanman12345 View Post
    This is a very good post.
    It's not mine. I found it on Snopes. Every quote is correct, although Snopes does point out Trump said other things not on the list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crissi View Post
    so...for those of us that are already low income, this looks like we have to pay it back in our 2020 taxes because we dont make enough to have over 1200 in refunds.
    Oh...the relief check will be taxable income? Gotta say, I missed that part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    It's not mine. I found it on Snopes. Every quote is correct, although Snopes does point out Trump said other things not on the list.

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    Oh...the relief check will be taxable income? Gotta say, I missed that part.
    no. It looks like its an advance of our 2020 refunds, where its taken directly out of how much refunds we would normally get. So If you normally get a 3k refund, in 2020 you'll only get 1800.

    To me, that looks like I'll need ot pay it back because I only got 24$ in refund this year, and likely wont get any mroe than that next year. Unless Im not understanding how this works, which is possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain N View Post
    I honestly do not know what's worse here. The fact our federal leadership is so inept that we're relying on the state governments and certain corporations to fight this battle that we seem to be losing on a daily basis. Or maybe it's the people that continue to defend Trump's actions as more and more Americans bodies pile up because they were more focused on what Nancy Pelosi did with the last version of the bill. Either way everyone needs to stay safe...it's going to get a hell of a lot worse with both of those things combined.
    I agree



    Stay safe. Stay alive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    So, interesting - look at the March 6 time frame. Where he drops the transcript nonsense, in the middle of mentioning the tests being perfect.
    Besides my favorite, the top one on the list, I like the Feb 26 lines about the number of cases heading down (to zero).

    There are over sixty thousand cases now. Again, of those sixty thousand, one thousand died.

    By the way, a pre-emptive middle finger to anyone who even thinks about posting "Well it's Trump's job as Cheerleader-in-Chief to keep the morale of the country up" because flat-out lying to the country about a lethal threat is not his job -- protecting America from threats is. The fat orange fatass who said he'd run into a school shooting told America it was under control when it wasn't. He lied. And he didn't act. Then he tried to blame Biden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crissi View Post
    no. It looks like its an advance of our 2020 refunds, where its taken directly out of how much refunds we would normally get. So If you normally get a 3k refund, in 2020 you'll only get 1800.
    ...it's a loan. Okay. It would have been better if it was taxable income (at least, better for the recipients).

    I mean, I know the money doesn't magically appear out of thin air. Well, I guess all those people who said "bank it until I need it" are making the smart play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crissi View Post
    Unless Im not understanding how this works, which is possible.
    Yeah, this is all new and I'm not reading 200 or whatever pages to find out.

    Fuck me decaffeinated, it's 883 pages.

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    883. god damn.

    Props to all the tax preppers out there who have to go through this stuff.

    Eh, guess I'll just need to save even harder.

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    Apparently, the bill has extra help for farmers. Specifically, there's a kind of Ag Dept "slush fund" called the Commodity Credit Corp, set up during the stock market crash of last month the Great Depression. Trump's been using it for his socialist bailout of farmers due to the trade war with China he started. This bill adds to it, but does not specify that the money has to go to those farmers impacted by the coronavirus. That amount is +$14 billion.

    That's in addition to the +$9.5 billion for farmers being hurt by the coronavirus. So the "oh, but clearly the $14 billion was for the coronavirus victims" is pretty demonstrably false. It's actually there because Phase One is effectively dead.

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    Oh, and to drive this point home one last time: McConnell officially dismisses the Senate until April 20.

    Which is a week past Easter.

    Even McConnell doesn't believe Trump. Nobody believes Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Besides my favorite, the top one on the list, I like the Feb 26 lines about the number of cases heading down (to zero).

    There are over sixty thousand cases now. Again, of those sixty thousand, one thousand died.

    By the way, a pre-emptive middle finger to anyone who even thinks about posting "Well it's Trump's job as Cheerleader-in-Chief to keep the morale of the country up" because flat-out lying to the country about a lethal threat is not his job -- protecting America from threats is. The fat orange fatass who said he'd run into a school shooting told America it was under control when it wasn't. He lied. And he didn't act. Then he tried to blame Biden.

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    ...it's a loan. Okay. It would have been better if it was taxable income (at least, better for the recipients).

    I mean, I know the money doesn't magically appear out of thin air. Well, I guess all those people who said "bank it until I need it" are making the smart play.

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    Yeah, this is all new and I'm not reading 200 or whatever pages to find out.

    Fuck me decaffeinated, it's 883 pages.
    Please tell me it's not a loan. It is not a loan. It can not be a loan.

    Anyways, this comment from another web site wins the internet:

    President Trump has requested that all states delay reporting unemployment numbers until the end of November.

    Thank you for your cooperation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega10 View Post
    Please tell me it's not a loan. It is not a loan. It can not be a loan.
    Again, based on the information we have right now, if it's taken from your 2020 refund, yes, it is a loan.

    When more concrete details come from someone better trained than I to read the bill and describe it, I think we'll all want to see them.

    No-one is above the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crissi View Post
    no. It looks like its an advance of our 2020 refunds, where its taken directly out of how much refunds we would normally get. So If you normally get a 3k refund, in 2020 you'll only get 1800.

    To me, that looks like I'll need ot pay it back because I only got 24$ in refund this year, and likely wont get any mroe than that next year. Unless Im not understanding how this works, which is possible.
    The way I heard it was explained, was that if you have already filed for tax-year 2019, and expect a refund, it will come out of that.
    If you haven't already filed, you will get a check.

    And I'm pretty sure these are taxable income checks. Same way the $1000 checks Bush did way back in the early 2000s were.

    Edit - granted, this was before the passage today. For all I know, that may have been changed.


    Also, everyone ready for the US to be #1 again? Well, based on the trend we've seen, we should pass China in # of cases by Friday.
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grokan View Post
    Man, there really should have been an Xzibit cameo in Inception.

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    So can we, like, refuse the money then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pendulous View Post
    So can we, like, refuse the money then?
    Of course not. Who is going to pay for that $500 billion in corporate welfare that the Administration gets to hand pick who receives it?

    Gotta make sure the average American is fronting the bill for Trump's re-election campaign.

    (I really wish I could be sarcastic with these comments)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain N View Post
    Of course not. Who is going to pay for that $500 billion in corporate welfare that the Administration gets to hand pick who receives it?

    Gotta make sure the average American is fronting the bill for Trump's re-election campaign.

    (I really wish I could be sarcastic with these comments)
    Apparently part of the compromise bill that got passed has a Congressional oversight committee to keep an eye on the 500 billion dollars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaydin View Post
    Apparently part of the compromise bill that got passed has a Congressional oversight committee to keep an eye on the 500 billion dollars.
    I understand that and I know that Trump and his kids aren't allowed to touch it. However knowing Republicans they'll exploit some loophole where Trump can give Company X $100 billion and they turn around an donate a bunch of money to his campaign. They'd still be abiding by all the rules they agreed to but still pulled shady shit.
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