1. #40161
    Quote Originally Posted by Zaydin View Post
    Apparently part of the compromise bill that got passed has a Congressional oversight committee to keep an eye on the 500 billion dollars.
    It's not a Congressional Oversight committee, but an independent inspector general, specifically for that fund. And as Schumer said, nepotism rules are in place so no Administration person or Congress critter can direct funds to, say, his own hotels or golf clubs. Neither can his children, his spouse, his in-laws, or his childrens' in-laws.

    As someone earlier in the thread said, we'll see how much oversight (and how much they can actually stop) will be possible. Especially since the fund is at the Treasury under Mnuchin's dirty paws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beanman12345 View Post
    I'd call Trump's bluff and say fuck your lawsuits, he usually loses them anyways. And fuck his hypocritical ass calling someone else twisting his words when his crap on facebook and other social media has literal deep fakes and conspiracies promoting him where nothing will be done.
    By the time this goes to court, the courts will be under lockdown to prevent further infection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milchshake View Post
    For comparison.
    On Jan 27, 2020. Joe Biden wrote explaining how serious the coronavirus can become and how he would handle it.
    President has blithely tweeted that 'it will all work out well.' Yet the steps he has taken have only weakened our capacity to respond.

    At that time Bernie was blasting that Joe Rogan had endorsed him.


    Those days...
    Creating division among democrats is good for what exactly?

    Other than being allowed to throw childish tantrums that people don't admire your candidate as much and becoming part of another cult like sheep mentality. Four years of that on the republican side wasn't enough for you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    It's not a Congressional Oversight committee, but an independent inspector general, specifically for that fund. And as Schumer said, nepotism rules are in place so no Administration person or Congress critter can direct funds to, say, his own hotels or golf clubs. Neither can his children, his spouse, his in-laws, or his childrens' in-laws.

    As someone earlier in the thread said, we'll see how much oversight (and how much they can actually stop) will be possible. Especially since the fund is at the Treasury under Mnuchin's dirty paws.
    Regardless, the compromise bill that passed actually has oversight for the fund, unlike the original GOP version which was a slush fund that Trump could do whatever he wanted with. What we got is miles better than the shitshow that was originally proposed.
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  4. #40164
    Quote Originally Posted by Crissi View Post
    lol what part of Texas? All the areas with good economies, and with a large amount of people, are heavily affected by this.
    The economy is generally where the people are.

  5. #40165
    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Oh, and to drive this point home one last time: McConnell officially dismisses the Senate until April 20.

    Which is a week past Easter.

    Even McConnell doesn't believe Trump. Nobody believes Trump.
    Trump does not believe Trump.

    Let's have a brief but revealing look at the future.

    Beep Beep Beep … < noise from the time machine>

    Date: July 2020
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald Trump
    The Do Noting Democrats & the Fake Media are trying to blame me for the deaths of many Americans when in fact we were the first to respond!!. We were the first to close borders from China and we were the first to claim we needed a temporary stop as soon as early March but the American people knows the truth.Saved many lives!!! Go November!!
    20 minutes later,same location...

    Quote Originally Posted by Donald Trump
    Many ,many americans have lost their jobs because a lot of governors framed by the ConMedia didn't listened when I said we needed to get back to work at Easter.They inflicted a disease on this country worse than the Chinese Virus. I warned them, I understand this country better than anyone but they didn't listen. They should have listen!! They should listen to me now!!
    With Trump America will be stronger than ever!!! Go November!!
    This Easter bullshit got nothing to do with any real expectations of having an optimistic curve of cases come that that date.
    The real goals are two:

    1) Appease a rather large portion of his donors and supporters that have absolutely no problem bathing in a pool of blood as long as they had the pool and that try to hide their criminal greed in patriotism:"It's not me!! It's the country"...No....it's really them.

    2) Inbreed in his supporters the "Easter" concept (the new Benghazi) so he can't be blamed for the economic earthquake that is coming. His supporters will blame governors and democrats and even Fauci of the jobs lost because he explicitly wanted to open in Easter ( this is a psychological date: not randomly selected) and everyone ignored him.

    Trump needs simple ,diggested in seconds messages and his new message is "Easter".

    Now, anyone with basic understanding of logic will say:"But...he is supporting one measure and the opposite…at the same time!!!".

    Yeah,that's the magic of Trump. He will claim that he supported the lockdown ( saving lives) and that he supported opening the lockdown ( saving jobs) so he did an amazing work ( best in the world!!!) and is responsible for nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    His accusation is that it's hard to dispute unemployment based on whether you quit or were fired, IE that people are fraudulently saying they were fired when they quit. How true is that statement? Is it hard to dispute?
    PA, when my assistant manager quit, she filed for unemployment. HR called, I said "No, she quit." Claim denied. Not appealed.
    Quote Originally Posted by Crissi View Post
    Quit using other posters as levels of crazy. That is not ok

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    havent visited this thread in awhile oh look page 2020 what a coincidence
    "You know you that bitch when you cause all this conversation."

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrimiOne View Post
    Trump does not believe Trump.

    Let's have a brief but revealing look at the future.

    Beep Beep Beep … < noise from the time machine>

    Date: July 2020
    Location: Twittersphere

    *SNIP*
    Fake news, not enough caps, but sounds about right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain N View Post
    I honestly do not know what's worse here. The fact our federal leadership is so inept that we're relying on the state governments and certain corporations to fight this battle that we seem to be losing on a daily basis. Or maybe it's the people that continue to defend Trump's actions as more and more Americans bodies pile up because they were more focused on what Nancy Pelosi did with the last version of the bill. Either way everyone needs to stay safe...it's going to get a hell of a lot worse with both of those things combined.
    If somehow this goes away quickly, look for a sudden push for privatization. "The Free Market Saved us! Invisible Hand(job) to the rescue!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Once again, when it comes to "Team Trump says one thing, a group of experts say something else" if I lean any harder towards the group of experts I'll fall down.
    Be careful leaning, it's slipper in Graham's shower. Does he have those handicap rail things?
    Quote Originally Posted by Crissi View Post
    Quit using other posters as levels of crazy. That is not ok

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    Mississippi and its governor have bought into Trumps bs of this being a media shill thing. The governor has ACTIVELY over turned any stay in place and closers. He is forcing doors open again. Forcing people back to work. With them being next door to Louisiana I feel this is going to end up being a disaster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopymonster View Post
    PA, when my assistant manager quit, she filed for unemployment. HR called, I said "No, she quit." Claim denied. Not appealed.
    Just goes to show you how little these people know about issues they are so fast to clutch their pearls over.

  12. #40172
    Quote Originally Posted by Omega10 View Post
    If they maintain anywhere near 738 deaths a day, well it could get very ugly in Spain. I mean much much uglier than it already is. And possibly what we have to look forward to in the US. Fingers crossed that this is a 1 day spike for some reason.
    It is unfortunately a pretty safe bet that the US will surpass 3000 deaths per day for a period of a week or so when this peaks, given its relative population and medical readiness compared to Italy who seem to have peaked around 600-700 deaths per day and are now seeing their new cases finally start to decline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DisposableHero View Post
    It is unfortunately a pretty safe bet that the US will surpass 3000 deaths per day for a period of a week or so when this peaks, given its relative population and medical readiness compared to Italy who seem to have peaked around 600-700 deaths per day and are now seeing their new cases finally start to decline.
    Well Italy did a very dramatic and complete lock down two weeks ago. The new case level off is indicative of that. If we don't do something similar, there is no reason to believe our cases will level off at the same point, we might get a lot worse then that. So far our curve looks worse then Italy's, but it is very hard to tell, because the curves don't record actual cases, they only record people who tested positive, so the data varies widely based on testing availability and guidance. This is probably why Italy appears to have an extremely high mortality rate (Nearly 10%!), while Germany has an extremely low rate (Around 0.5%). The rates are probably not that different, but Germany seems to have done much wider testing, and is recording mild and asymptomatic cases, whereas Italy was primarily testing people with serious health problems. I am sure there is some difference in mortality, but that comes down to Italy's health system getting overwhelmed, rather then a more severe strain of the virus.

    And that is really what is at stake here. A huge number of Americans are going to get this virus. That is unavoidable. It isn't Trump's fault, it would have happened to any President. What we can change is how rapidly this spikes, which changes the quality and quantity of medical care available to severe cases. If we do a good job, we can have a mortality rate closer to Germany. If we botch this, we could have one worse then Italy.
    "We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. We have it under control. It’s going to be just fine." DJT- Jan 22, 2020
    "And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done." DJT- Feb 26, 2020
    “It’s going to disappear. One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear.” DJT- Feb 27, 2020

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaydin View Post
    Apparently part of the compromise bill that got passed has a Congressional oversight committee to keep an eye on the 500 billion dollars.
    I'm assuming that oversight committee is made up of just Senate GOP?

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    Meanwhile......https://www.foxnews.com/world/world-...virus-pandemic

    The head of the World Health Organization on Wednesday praised President Trump for his leadership in handling the novel coronavirus outbreak and said the president is "taking responsibility" for leading the United States' response to the global pandemic.

    WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said the United Nations health agency has repeatedly called for the heads of state to lead a "whole of government" response to COVID-19 and said Trump was leading by example.
    " If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher.." - Abraham Lincoln
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  16. #40176
    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post
    Meanwhile......https://www.foxnews.com/world/world-...virus-pandemic

    The head of the World Health Organization on Wednesday praised President Trump for his leadership in handling the novel coronavirus outbreak and said the president is "taking responsibility" for leading the United States' response to the global pandemic.

    WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said the United Nations health agency has repeatedly called for the heads of state to lead a "whole of government" response to COVID-19 and said Trump was leading by example.
    Didn't they also say that the U.S. would be the epicenter of the next one?

    Also, apparently they didn't hear what he said the last couple of days or how he handled the beginning of this if they are praising him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Low Hanging Fruit View Post
    Mississippi and its governor have bought into Trumps bs of this being a media shill thing. The governor has ACTIVELY over turned any stay in place and closers. He is forcing doors open again. Forcing people back to work. With them being next door to Louisiana I feel this is going to end up being a disaster.
    MS has always been a disaster. Ask anyone who's lived in southern TN, the MS border is something to be actively avoided.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DisposableHero View Post
    It is unfortunately a pretty safe bet that the US will surpass 3000 deaths per day for a period of a week or so when this peaks, given its relative population and medical readiness compared to Italy who seem to have peaked around 600-700 deaths per day and are now seeing their new cases finally start to decline.
    Will for sure. Italy did a major lock down. USA half the nation is walking around pretending it cannot happen to them or it is just a big city problem. Mostly because they think this is some sort of political debate and the virus picks sides. I know a LOT of people went to Mardi gras across a lot of the south / south west and you see what a bad state that state is currently in. It is going to be a spider web that reaches out to a LOT of these states doing NOTHING. Mississippi, the next door state, is actively COUNTERING efforts to spread the sickness by governor orders. Mostly because of politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Yeah, this is all new and I'm not reading 200 or whatever pages to find out.

    Fuck me decaffeinated, it's 883 pages.
    Part of the reason it's 883 pages is because there's so few words on each page. In terms of legal documents it's not actually that bad to read, but is still a massive pain because it keeps referring to other laws/codes. The $1200 rebate stuff starts on page 144.

    It looks like the rebate is a modification of the 1986 Internal Revenue Code, and I'm not reading all of that... but from my quick reading, it looks like the $1200 is a tax credit in your current/next tax year, but it will be sent to you now as an advance. There's some language in there about your credit being reduced by the amount advanced, which I think is just a pendantic way of explaining that it won't be paid out twice (once now, and once when you file your taxes).

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