Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Zan15]

And many billions more for people who do file anyhow.

That, and in the previous two years (not 2017 so much tho) we also paid hundreds of billions of dollars that we didn't have just to get GDP and unemployment almost as good as Obama. Obama had a slow start, because of W's recession, but managed to drop the deficit, drop unemployment, raise the holy fuck out of the stock market and get decent GDP results. Trump hasn't beaten those changes in any metric. He dropped unemployment, but Obama dropped it more. Obama halved the deficit, and Trump doubled it. Trump's stock market is still hovering around Oct 23, 2077 2017 territory. And Trump never saw 3% GDP for a whole year, despite everything he said about Obama and sub-3%. In fact, how many quarters of 3%+ did he get? Three? I'm going to say it's three. One y'all can look it up if you think he got four. But I don't think you will. I think you'll chicken out rather than learn the truth.

All before Jan 1, 2020. Trump cannot blame COVID-19 for his lack of results. Well, not honestly, at least.

Zandalari-18 makes a good point about unemployment. Yes, Trump did make up numbers as high as 42 percent, yes he did, you all saw it, but what you might forget it, that was his second lie on the topic.


Just before running, Trump claimed Obama had 18 to 20 percent unemployment. He lied. But as I posted earlier:



Trump might officially hit the level that he lied about Obama having. Before any "corrections" Zanzibar-52nd-Street throws in.

Everything Trump touches dies. He should have washed his hands.

Trump even got his GDP of 2.9% "adjusted" down to 2.6%. So he has not even reached Obama's level of 2.9%.

now .3% does not sound like a lot but its actually 11.5% worse than Obama.

[Edge-]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/osa...fied-docs-show

Man, it's fucking weird to see conservative media rallying around a cheering the words of Bin Laden.

They're currently trying to control their erections in reporting that Bin Laden had written, in 2012, that he hoped Biden would be president because he wasn't ready for it, in his opinion.

Now, ignoring that the work is from 8 years ago...

Conservatives are literally using the architect of the biggest terrorist attack on US soil in US history to prop up their arguments.

[Elenos]

They are conservative by design, because you don't want them doing anything they aren't told to do, because they might decide to start fixing things you don't want fixed. Like the US Political system...

I personally think it's unavoidable to some degree, though as I've said the US will never become a military dictatorship outright, but still imagine the following scenario after Trump/Biden leaves office 4-8 years from now. President Marco Rubio has just been elected and he decides to invade Venezuala to liberate it's people from Maduro, long overdue in his mind. Congress descends into partisan bickering without enough support on either side to either block or support the issue, but it doesn't matter since Congress has allowed the executive to intervene abroad for years without authorization.

So what happens then? Does the military follow it's constitutionally mandated orders to invade Venezuala or does a military that has been allowed to do what it wants for the last 8-12 years march into the situation room and declare, as Marshal Ney declared to Napoleon at Fontainebleau, "The military will follow it's leaders."

Now you're the military man so you can tell me what would most likely happens there but I know who I am betting on and it's not on Lil' Marco getting what he wants.

Of course this is all laughably exaggerated and overly dramatic, but there will come a point after Trump/Biden that the US military will be given an order by a president that they will flat out refuse to follow, because they've gotten used to do doing what they want. After that? It's only a matter of time until they take it a step further and decide to "fix things you don't want fixed".

[Edge-]

https://www.cleveland.com/open/2020/...ack-trump.html

According to Trump acolyte Jim Jordan, oversight committees are a plot against Trump.

Seriously.

Oh, and he refuses to wear masks because he was staying 6 feet away from people. Because what the fuck do doctors even know?

[Breccia]

They're currently trying to control their erections in reporting that Bin Laden had written, in 2012, that he hoped Biden would be president because he wasn't ready for it, in his opinion.

I believe President John Lithgow has something to say to that:

According to Trump acolyte Jim Jordan, oversight committees are a plot against Trump.

And police are a plot against criminals, doctors are a plot against disease, and evolution is a plot against genocide. That's the point. Already we've seen Team Trump say "I know the law Trump signed said Trump businesses don't get the money, but we'd really like that money".

What would Trump say if we offered to let Mar-a-Lago get some of that relief money like everyone else, but in exchange, we see his taxes? Honestly, I think that's a fair trade. Has to happen by May 1st.

[Edge-]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/23/polit...ets/index.html

Recently appointed Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs at HHS Michael Caputo, a longtime Republican operative who worked on Trumps campaign, apparently went through and deleted most of his Twitter history before April 12.

Why would he do that?

Well...

In a series of tweets on March 12, Caputo responded to a baseless conspiracy theory that the United States brought the coronavirus to Wuhan, China, by tweeting that "millions of Chinese suck the blood out of rabid bats as an appetizer and eat the ass out of anteaters."

He followed up at another user, "Don't you have a bat to eat?" and tweeted at another user named, "You're very convincing, Wang."

...

In March, he referred to one White House reporter as "a dick" after that reporter had a heated exchange with the President. He said many Americans viewed reporters as "the enemy of the people" for "carrying water for the Chinese Communist Party." He implied that MSNBC host Joe Scarborough was guilty of sedition.

"Coronavirus is the Democrats' new Russia, their new Ukraine. And nobody will believe them except their zombies. But know this: The Dems' strategy to defeat @realDonaldTrump requires 100s of thousands of American deaths. Will one of their nutjobs make it happen, a la Hodgkinson?"

Yeah...he seems like a nice guy.

[Tenlo]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/osa...fied-docs-show

Man, it's fucking weird to see conservative media rallying around a cheering the words of Bin Laden.

They're currently trying to control their erections in reporting that Bin Laden had written, in 2012, that he hoped Biden would be president because he wasn't ready for it, in his opinion.

Now, ignoring that the work is from 8 years ago...

Conservatives are literally using the architect of the biggest terrorist attack on US soil in US history to prop up their arguments.

I mean... Why? Assuming that's what he wrote at all why? What's the benefit here? "HAHA foreign leaders thought Biden was weak 8 years ago!!" Go ahead trumpers. Throw your hats in the ring with the man behind 9/11.. Never forget huh?

[Edge-]

https://nypost.com/2020/04/23/republ...ing-democrats/

So the mask thing isn't just Jordan. Apparently House Republicans are making a point to not wear masks while their Democratic counterparts are following the advice and guidance of medical professionals.

This is a really weird way to virtue signal.

[some guy]

https://nypost.com/2020/04/23/republ...ing-democrats/

So the mask thing isn't just Jordan. Apparently House Republicans are making a point to not wear masks while their Democratic counterparts are following the advice and guidance of medical professionals.

This is a really weird way to virtue signal.

They should go all the way and start licking door knobs.

[Paranoid Android]

The Trump economy has succeeding in undoing everything Obama accomplished.

The US economy has now erased all job gains since the Great Recession

It took only five weeks for the U.S. economy to wipe out all the job gains it added over the last 11 years.

In another thread I stated that the Dems have to run unabashed on Trump as the Unemployment President. Damn what the Trumpkins will QQ about. They did the same on Obama and I guess it actually worked since even in Obama's second term his poll numbers always took a hit on the economy.

[Edge-]

https://theweek.com/speedreads/91057...y-space-outfit

One of Trump's economic advisors, Stephen Moore, floated the idea of re-opening the economy safely by...putting everyone in space suits.

"I was thinking this morning, and this is just kind of a thought experiment because I was thinking about this — why don't we just put everybody in a space outfit or something like that?" Moore asked. "No. Seriously."

The Times noted to Miller that "well, we'd have to make the space outfits," a fact he acknowledged while continuing to spitball.

"I mean, just thinking out loud, and maybe this is a crazy idea, but instead of just locking down the economy, putting everybody in a kind of — you're right," Moore said. "You have to make 200 million of these, but it wouldn't have cost $3 trillion to do that. ... I mean, I was looking online, and there are all these kinds of suits that they're building now that you're not exposed and you're breath — kind of ventilator."

Now...if he was talking about actual NASA suits, those cost a cool $12M each. How much would 200 million of those cost?

Somewhere in the neighborhood of $2.4 quadrillion dollars

Truly, an economist of unparalleled intelligence an excellence.

[TigTone]

In another thread I stated that the Dems have to run unabashed on Trump as the Unemployment President. Damn what the Trumpkins will QQ about. They did the same on Obama and I guess it actually worked since even in Obama's second term his poll numbers always took a hit on the economy.

Dems are so bad at shit talking, I fear it might cost them votes. Gloves have to come off.

[Breccia]

Recently appointed

/eyeroll

Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs at HHS Michael Caputo, a longtime Republican operative who worked on Trumps campaign, apparently went through and deleted most of his Twitter history before April 12.

You can't run from your past. The internet never forgets.

Gloves have to come off.

Dude! Social distancing!

[Felya]

They're currently trying to control their erections in reporting that Bin Laden had written, in 2012, that he hoped Biden would be president because he wasn't ready for it, in his opinion.

Trump signed a peace treaty with Taliban... who cares what they wanted in 2012, they got it from Trump in 2020... he spent the first part of his first public statement on corona, celebrating it.

Oh and just today, 24 dead due to Taliban fighting afghan forces... since the day after Trump wasted time during corona briefing to celebrate Taliban, they said they had no intention in living up to the treaty and started bombing. Pretty much calling Trump gullible...

[Breccia]

Trump signed a peace treaty with Taliban

This cannot be stated often enough.

Resident Trump directly negotiated with terrorists. He even invited them to picnic on the White House lawn, until his own party said "No, that's fucking stupid".

That's not America. That's not even Mexico.

[Felya]

This cannot be stated often enough.

Resident Trump directly negotiated with terrorists. He even invited them to picnic on the White House lawn, until his own party said "No, that's fucking stupid".

That's not America. That's not even Mexico.

Remarks by President Trump, Vice President Pence, and Members of the Coronavirus Task Force in Press Conference
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings...-conference-2/

Issued on: February 29, 2020

And I’ll be meeting personally with Taliban leaders in the not-too-distant future. And we’ll be very much hoping that they will be doing what they say they’re going to be doing: They will be killing terrorists. They will be killing some very bad people. They will keep that fight going.

To see Trump actually discuss corona, scroll down a little while to:

First of all, the amount of work that these professionals behind me and many other professionals in many rooms behind us who are watching right now — don’t have the room here to bring them all in — but they have been working around the clock, so hard, on the coronavirus. It’s a tough one, but a lot of progress has been made.

[Thekri]

I personally think it's unavoidable to some degree, though as I've said the US will never become a military dictatorship outright, but still imagine the following scenario after Trump/Biden leaves office 4-8 years from now. President Marco Rubio has just been elected and he decides to invade Venezuala to liberate it's people from Maduro, long overdue in his mind. Congress descends into partisan bickering without enough support on either side to either block or support the issue, but it doesn't matter since Congress has allowed the executive to intervene abroad for years without authorization.

So what happens then? Does the military follow it's constitutionally mandated orders to invade Venezuala or does a military that has been allowed to do what it wants for the last 8-12 years march into the situation room and declare, as Marshal Ney declared to Napoleon at Fontainebleau, "The military will follow it's leaders."

Now you're the military man so you can tell me what would most likely happens there but I know who I am betting on and it's not on Lil' Marco getting what he wants.

Of course this is all laughably exaggerated and overly dramatic, but there will come a point after Trump/Biden that the US military will be given an order by a president that they will flat out refuse to follow, because they've gotten used to do doing what they want. After that? It's only a matter of time until they take it a step further and decide to "fix things you don't want fixed".

That particular scenario would result in Venezuela suddenly coming under new management, courtesy of the 101st ABN Division. Ordering the military to start a war with some weaker, mostly helpless country is not likely to be a red line event for US Military Flag Officers. Sure, some might resign, but the military in general would give Lil' Marco control over Caracas like he wants, and would stay there and fight in the ensuing hopeless quagmire as long as the President thought necessary.

The US has done poorly conceived foriegn interventions all the time, and a more independent minded military is unlikely to change that. The scenario that you laid out is also not particularly concerning, after all, not having another stupid war is a good thing, not a bad thing. If that is the only possible result of our current path of irresponsibly abdicating foriegn policy to the military, then by all means we should continue.

Here is a more plausible scenario. It is 2026, Biden lost reelection to Random Old White Guy #46. The military has been pretty much running itself for for 18 years at that point. ROWG #46 is facing his third national credit downgrade in 2 years, and the growth economy that started in 2022 is losing steam fast, the deficit is staggering, and the US is facing the real possibility of default. ROWG #46 has no real leverage because he is deeply unpopular with everyone, with no Trump-style base of support to shore up his abysmal ratings. Congress is offering no solutions, but is piling on by passing a vote of censure against this administrations attempt at austerity. So ROWG #46, desperate to salvage the financial situation, signs an executive order that suspends about half of the government without pay, including the military. With no public trust in either congress or the Presidency, the public turns to the military to restore some sense of normalcy. Which they do. ROWG #46 is forced to resign, and General Generic Army Guy takes over. Since congress and the courts won't let him take the dramatic actions he feels obligated to do to complete his assigned mission, he suspends them "For the interim until the conclusion of this current crisis"

RIP- The United States of America 1789-2026

[Edge-]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...ngton-n1189591

Per NBC - Trump, who once bragged he'd be so busy he'd never want to leave the White House shortly before taking almost weekly trips to his resorts to leave the White House, is apparently getting angry that he can't leave the White House.

The man has an entire building with staff to cater to his needs, and he's throwing the same kind of temper tantrum the doomsday preppers who can't get their latte are throwing.

Meanwhile, millions of Americans in urban cities are locked in apartments smaller than the presidential bedroom and we're not whinging like babies about it.

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https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...us-cnn-988906/

Fox News took some time our of their busy schedule downplaying the virus and mocking medical professionals to...

Mock CNN staffers who got the virus.

Yup.

[Thekri]

Issued on: February 29, 2020 "And I’ll be meeting personally with Taliban leaders in the not-too-distant future. And we’ll be very much hoping that they will be doing what they say they’re going to be doing: They will be killing terrorists. They will be killing some very bad people. They will keep that fight going."

So this is technically true. The Taliban do fight terrorists, and many of the people they kill are very bad people. Specifically, the Taliban has an absolute hard-on for fighting ISIS.

The obvious problem is that the Taliban has a very different definition of "Terrorist" and "Bad People" then we do. While there is some overlap, such as with ISIS, the Taliban definition of "Bad People" includes teachers that teach little girls how to read, all scientists, the Pakistani Taliban (TTP), ISIS, gypsies, the entire nation of India, and anyone that doesn't wash their hands before praying. While there is a little bit of overlap between our list and theirs, we have more differences then similarities. Meanwhile, their definition of "Terrorist" notably does not include such groups as Al Qaeda (Who are obviously heroes) and of course themselves. It does include such groups as the United States Military, the entire nation of Israel, and most of China and Iran (With pretty legitimate historical and present reasons for each of those, honestly).

So I am sure if Trump asks them to kill "Bad People and Terrorists" they will readily agree, they were already doing that. He might be surprised by who they shoot though. But nobody else will be surprised.

[Felya]

So I am sure if Trump asks them to kill "Bad People and Terrorists" they will readily agree, they were already doing that. He might be surprised by who they shoot though. But nobody else will be surprised.

They started bombing the next day and said they had no intentions in keeping their word. They wanted US troops out, then once announced, started bombing the government we put in place. There is something happening now, with around 50 dead in a Taliban attack in Afghanistan. US is demanding they return to talks... they don’t seem to care...

Trump, Qatar's emir talk amid Taliban attacks across Afghanistan
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/...063220102.html