Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Zan15]

Ok so then what is a reasonable death rate and hospitalization rate to shut a country down? Where do we draw the line? Is it different for a rural area or is it the same as a big metropolis? Who decides these numbers? Is 1% death rate ok but a 2% is to much? Or how about .05%? How about we shut down for the flu next year? Where is the cut off line that we tell healthy people, or the majority, that ots ok for most people to go out but lets just weld the doors of the elderly and the immune comprimised doors shut so the majority can continue to live?

Rural area's could only have a couple dozen cases and it will completely overwhelm their ability to handle it.
There are huge swaths of this country that have no ICU beds within reasonable distance.

For example those Rural area's in Nebraska, are all going to have to send their cases to the big city districts which will already be overwhelmed by their own volume







p.s let me know when the flu has the possibility of killing 100k people in this country with most of the population locked down and participating in massive mitigation efforts on a personal level.

P.s.s. btw most of this country also qualifies as having underlying health conditions that will make them a high risk patient.

[Edge-]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...691_story.html

So we've covered all the news about the projected 3K deaths per day, but I was reading an article on it and found a few interesting tidbits -

A new government report projects covid-19 cases will surge to about 200,000 per day by June 1

Missed this, but 200K per day? Holy fucking shit. More importantly though -

White House officials have been relying on other models to make decisions on reopening, including the IHME model and a “cubic model” prepared by the Council of Economic Advisers, led by Trump adviser Kevin Hassett.

People with knowledge of the “cubic model” say it currently shows deaths dropping precipitously in May — and essentially going to zero by May 15.

What the fuck is the "cubic model" and why is it really bad coronavirus fan-fiction?

[cubby]

Ok so then what is a reasonable death rate and hospitalization rate to shut a country down? Where do we draw the line? Is it different for a rural area or is it the same as a big metropolis? Who decides these numbers? Is 1% death rate ok but a 2% is to much? Or how about .05%? How about we shut down for the flu next year? Where is the cut off line that we tell healthy people, or the majority, that ots ok for most people to go out but lets just weld the doors of the elderly and the immune comprimised doors shut so the majority can continue to live?

I honestly don't think you understand what a 1% death rate means. You look at that number and brush it aside, regardless of the actual amount, because it's a one, and to you that means "hardly anything" - when in fact it's more than anything else, ever.

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While Truman was remembered for "The bucks stop here", Trump will be remembered for "I don't take responsibility at all." Pretty crappy campaign slogan. No wonder the GOP is worried about November election.

I think they are downright terrified. McConnell is polling competitively against McGrath right now...in his own fucking state. They are saying Kansas might actually be in play because of how badly the GOP has handled the entire affair.

[Breccia]

Trump Administration Models Predict Near Doubling of Daily Death Toll by June

Dear God, of all the time I wanted Trump to actually be right and the experts wrong, this tops the list.

Assuming the death toll gradually works up to 3,000 by June 1, the difference between the status quo, and this article, is the population of Hackensack NJ.

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Missed this, but 200K per day?

That's almost assuredly a typo.

[Edge-]

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5...pression=true&

What's going on?

Not much, just Ammon Bundy (remember, one of the domestic terrorists that took over a federal building and had an armed standoff with federal authorities for weeks?) has thoughts.

His first thought: Really, it's the Jews fault that they were starved, put into slavery, and killed during the Holocaust. They could have fought back.

His second thought: Keeping Idaho closed so that he can't get his Applebee's is basically the same kind of treatment that the Jews suffered during the Holocaust, and he's not gonna take it like the Jews totes did.

I swear, with every passing day I'm almost hoping one of these Y'all Queda nutters does something dumb and gets the serious attention of federal authorities who drop the hammer on them. These cosplay militants (because really, that's what most of them are) are just whipping a bunch of vulnerable and easily duped people into a frenzy.

[Adam Jensen]

Actually I am more than willing to admit it. She wants the economy to continue to tank as that is Trumps platform.

Fuck off.

No seriously, fuck off.

Us liberals aren't so invested in Trump's downfall that we'd tank the economy to make him look bad. It's our country too, we live here and we're interested in its welfare as is anyone else who lives here.

I'm so sick and tired of this bullshit about how "oh the liberals want to destroy America!" "It's a plot to destroy Trump!" No. It fucking isn't.
[Infraction]

[jonnysensible]

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5...pression=true&

What's going on?

Not much, just Ammon Bundy (remember, one of the domestic terrorists that took over a federal building and had an armed standoff with federal authorities for weeks?) has thoughts.

His first thought: Really, it's the Jews fault that they were starved, put into slavery, and killed during the Holocaust. They could have fought back.

His second thought: Keeping Idaho closed so that he can't get his Applebee's is basically the same kind of treatment that the Jews suffered during the Holocaust, and he's not gonna take it like the Jews totes did.

I swear, with every passing day I'm almost hoping one of these Y'all Queda nutters does something dumb and gets the serious attention of federal authorities who drop the hammer on them. These cosplay militants (because really, that's what most of them are) are just whipping a bunch of vulnerable and easily duped people into a frenzy.

You ever listen to Bundyville? I would recommend it if you haven't. Both seasons.

Helps understand how insidious this all is.

[Thepersona]

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5...pression=true&

What's going on?

Not much, just Ammon Bundy (remember, one of the domestic terrorists that took over a federal building and had an armed standoff with federal authorities for weeks?) has thoughts.

His first thought: Really, it's the Jews fault that they were starved, put into slavery, and killed during the Holocaust. They could have fought back.

His second thought: Keeping Idaho closed so that he can't get his Applebee's is basically the same kind of treatment that the Jews suffered during the Holocaust, and he's not gonna take it like the Jews totes did.

I swear, with every passing day I'm almost hoping one of these Y'all Queda nutters does something dumb and gets the serious attention of federal authorities who drop the hammer on them. These cosplay militants (because really, that's what most of them are) are just whipping a bunch of vulnerable and easily duped people into a frenzy.

In any decent country, showing up armed and with intent to cause harm (even if the LARPERS dont have the balls, thankfully, to actually pull the trigger) would get you arrested/shot down on the spot.

[Captain N]

I'm not sure if anyone posted this between here or the actual coronavirus thread so I apologize if this is a repeat. So there was a 1905 US Supreme Court ruling (Jacobson v. Massachusetts) dealing with smallpox that pretty much gave the states the right to handle things the way they want in the wake of an epidemic. The person here was saying that he didn't have to take a small pox vaccination after the epidemic swept through Boston in 1901-1903. Supreme Court ruled as followed:

Harlan ruled that personal liberties could be suspended when "the safety of the general public may demand" for example during a smallpox outbreak. He compared the smallpox outbreak to the American Civil War (in which three out of nine Justices at the term served) by saying that a community has the right to protect itself from both disease and military invasion.[6]

It seems to be that we already have precedent set that the shelter-in-place rules are not unconstitutional and have already been covered by the Supreme Court.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazi...navirus-135826

[Edge-]

You ever listen to Bundyville? I would recommend it if you haven't. Both seasons.

Helps understand how insidious this all is.

I have not, but I'm interested!

[Adam Jensen]

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5...pression=true&

What's going on?

Not much, just Ammon Bundy (remember, one of the domestic terrorists that took over a federal building and had an armed standoff with federal authorities for weeks?) has thoughts.

His first thought: Really, it's the Jews fault that they were starved, put into slavery, and killed during the Holocaust. They could have fought back.

His second thought: Keeping Idaho closed so that he can't get his Applebee's is basically the same kind of treatment that the Jews suffered during the Holocaust, and he's not gonna take it like the Jews totes did.

I swear, with every passing day I'm almost hoping one of these Y'all Queda nutters does something dumb and gets the serious attention of federal authorities who drop the hammer on them. These cosplay militants (because really, that's what most of them are) are just whipping a bunch of vulnerable and easily duped people into a frenzy.

What is up with the constant comparisons with the lockdowns and the Holocaust.

Jews were rounded up and shot or put on trains and thrown in gas chambers or worked to death and work camps
Americans during the COVID19 epidemic are . . . watching netflix, staying home and maybe going outside now and then for essentials.

There's literally NO similarities between the two. At all.

[alexw]

What really fucks me up about this? If Trump actually bothered to do anything more than almost nothing back when he was warned about this in January he could've taken 2020 in a landslide. Instead he saw the short term hit to his popularity and his economy and tried sweeping it under the rug, and then went to politicize it when it became too big to ignore and refuses to wield his executive powers to help PPE distribution and manufacturing; instead using it to steal medical supplies and force meat packing plants to reopen without guaranteeing worker or product safety.

It's absolutely fucking frustrating that this entire situation's been made so much worse because of a single person's lack of foresight, unwillingness to read, and inability to take responsibility. And the lunatics in his base are going with some insane idea that the whole world is conspiring against a single man rather then just admit 'hey, maybe he could've done a better job' and have collectively decided that 'What's 100k people dead if I can't get a Hamberder?'

If the CDC is correct in its modelling of 200K new cases per day by the end of the month, and I see no reason why they should'n't be, its easily going to pass a quarter of a million dead and almost certainly pass half a million.

[Edge-]

What is up with the constant comparisons with the lockdowns and the Holocaust.

And slavery*

Because people have no actual point of personal reference and apparently lack both an imagination and emotional empathy.

There's literally NO similarities between the two. At all.

Jews couldn't go to Applebee's or get their cut and color during the holocaust, conservatives can't go to Applebee's or get their cut and color during the shelter-in-place order.

It's literally the same thing!

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https://twitter.com/KLoeffler/status...47960515506176

Kelly Loeffler would like to remind us that Kelly Loeffler, salt of the earth hard working American, owns a private jet. And that she's donated a million dollars to a hospital to help it stay open, out of the hundreds of millions she's worth.

And she's a good friend of Trump.

But please, don't forget that she, a regular American who understands the struggles of regular Americans, owns a private jet.

[Captain N]

I'm also pretty sure it wasn't the Jewish people holding signs supporting Auschwitz.



That would be some more of those Very Fine People....

[alexw]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...691_story.html

So we've covered all the news about the projected 3K deaths per day, but I was reading an article on it and found a few interesting tidbits -



Missed this, but 200K per day? Holy fucking shit. More importantly though -



What the fuck is the "cubic model" and why is it really bad coronavirus fan-fiction?

The 200K per day is the important number. Nothing else matters compared to that one. Now take that number and extrapolate out how many are dying per day three weeks later. We are talking of a disaster of almost epic proportions.

[Edge-]

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wire...-iran-70493265

Man, remember back when the US and Iran were trading missiles? And when Iran hit a US base which led to soldiers suffering from "headaches"?

Well, apparently they hand out Purple Hearts for headaches now, because 29 soldiers received them.

[Tenlo]

I'm also pretty sure it wasn't the Jewish people holding signs supporting Auschwitz.



That would be some more of those Very Fine People....

You know what's sad? I honestly doubt she understands the connotations that phrase has. Probably was told what it means sure. "Work makes us free? Well that's perfect to protest how we can't work right now!!'

[PhaelixWW]

https://twitter.com/KLoeffler/status...47960515506176

Kelly Loeffler would like to remind us that Kelly Loeffler, salt of the earth hard working American, owns a private jet. And that she's donated a million dollars to a hospital to help it stay open, out of the hundreds of millions she's worth.

And she's a good friend of Trump.

But please, don't forget that she, a regular American who understands the struggles of regular Americans, owns a private jet.

Was that million dollars out of the 10s of millions of dollars she made selling stock based on insider knowledge of intelligence reports?

Because, um...

[cubby]

The 200K per day is the important number. Nothing else matters compared to that one. Now take that number and extrapolate out how many are dying per day three weeks later. We are talking of a disaster of almost epic proportions.

Wait...200k per day new cases? Per DAY?

Wouldn't that mean that we'd see a lot more deaths per day as well?

[Stormspellz]

and so it begins

https://abcnews.go.com/US/colorado-m...ry?id=70491370

"A Colorado man arrested after federal agents allegedly discovered pipe bombs in his home had also been helping organize an armed protest demanding the state lift its coronavirus restrictions,"