Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Twdft]

allowing those who wish to and are willing, LIKE ME, yes i am 100% willing to go out and know the risks if i catch it.

If you would risk only yourself nobody would care about you getting covid19, but when the fuck will it get into your dense skull that you risk the desease not only for yourself but everyone else you meet on your merry way out of your house.

[Edge-]

Whats wrong with quarantining the vulnerable and allowing those who wish to and are willing, LIKE ME, yes i am 100% willing to go out and know the risks if i catch it.

You're the kind of people that would have stolen from victory gardens and horded metal scrap during WWII. I weep that we've fallen so far as a nation and become such snowflakes that a great part of the country seems to have forgotten that sometimes patriotism requires personal sacrifice for the greater good of the nation they claim to love so dearly.

No, I'm not going to stop the WWII comparisons.

[Trunksee]

If you would risk only yourself nobody would care about you getting covid19, but when the fuck will it get into your dense skull that you risk the desease not only for yourself but everyone else you meet on your merry way out of your house.

Then your right is to stay home. Why are you so afraid to let others get on with their lives? Or are you afraid the Gov will stop giving hand outs? No one like i said is forcing you to go out. Stay home if you feel you must.

[Tenlo]

And there it is. So because they are at high risk they get to infringe on others rights. Right there you are making my point. We are not asking them to do anything. Stay home or go out. This is my point. Because they are at risk and cant no ome else can because thats not fair. This is the classic idea that everyone gets a trophy.

Whats wrong with quarantining the vulnerable and allowing those who wish to and are willing, LIKE ME, yes i am 100% willing to go out and know the risks if i catch it. Granted i am more likely to be struck by lightning than die from this. Or is is the fact that all these hand outs from the gov will slow down? You are not bei g forced to go out. Noone is forcing you back to work. You retain the right to stay home.

It's not about you. How many times do we have to say it. It isn't "oh I'm fine with getting sick" it'd the fact that if you get it you'll still do what you do for a few weeks. Probably not wearing a mask or whatever so now you got it. The gas station worker got it. The cashier. Teller etc etc.

You guys can't see past your noses to look at the bigger picture.

[Trunksee]

You're the kind of people that would have stolen from victory gardens and horded metal scrap during WWII. I weep that we've fallen so far as a nation and become such snowflakes that a great part of the country seems to have forgotten that sometimes patriotism requires personal sacrifice for the greater good of the nation they claim to love so dearly.

No, I'm not going to stop the WWII comparisons.

There is no greater good.... The personal sacrifice of risking contracting it to keep taxes coming so the government can continie to support these programs. This virus has turned into the socialist dream. Yet its going to blow up in their face. This is oppression.

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It's not about you. How many times do we have to say it. It isn't "oh I'm fine with getting sick" it'd the fact that if you get it you'll still do what you do for a few weeks. Probably not wearing a mask or whatever so now you got it. The gas station worker got it. The cashier. Teller etc etc.

You guys can't see past your noses to look at the bigger picture.

They can choose to stay home... How many times do i need to say it. No one is forcing anyone to do anything. They can as much as anyone else make the choice to quit their job and stay home

[Edge-]

There is no greater good.... The personal sacrifice of risking contracting it to keep taxes coming so the government can continie to support these programs.

Demanding that the low-income workers at Applebees be forced to put their health at risk, and the health of anyone they live with, so you can go get your 2 for $20 sliders deal isn't going to stimulate the economy, dude. You just want to go back to "normal" because you feel you're safe. That's personal, selfish, and pretty "snowflaky" if you ask me.

This virus has turned into the socialist dream.

First off, I don't think you know what socialism is. At all.

Second, if you're looking for someone to blame for that, blame the guy whose name is on all the stimulus checks. Republicans oversaw the greatest act of "big government socialism" in US history. They're responsible for it.

This is oppression.

Spoken like somebody that has never had to deal with actual oppression in their lives.

You're like Tami on Twitter trying to score points by saying that the LGBTQ+ community would be similarly out protesting like the conservative snowflakes if their Pride parades were canceled.

Completely oblivious that they were all already voluntarily canceled because, unsurprisingly, being a community that has lived through a virus running unchecked through their community with little information and no government leadership to address it, this isn't their first rodeo.

You're not oppressed because you can't get a haircut and down some pitchers of Natty Ice at your local bar. You're inconvenienced.

[Tenlo]

They can choose to stay home... How many times do i need to say it. No one is forcing anyone to do anything. They can as much as anyone else make the choice to quit their job and stay home

And there's the rub "quit your job hurr Durr" not really an option for most people..plus what're you gonna do if a bunch of places don't reopen cuz you want to sit down inside a restaurant?

listen friendo you guys are gonna make this shit last longer. If we all took this seriously from the beginning we'd be in a much better position right now.

If we reopen and stop the mitigation efforts too soon cases may skyrocket. We may have to shut down again. I want this to end asap but it needs to be done the right way.

[Tazkar]

And there it is. So because they are at high risk they get to infringe on others rights. Right there you are making my point. We are not asking them to do anything. Stay home or go out. This is my point. Because they are at risk and cant no ome else can because thats not fair. This is the classic idea that everyone gets a trophy.

Whats wrong with quarantining the vulnerable and allowing those who wish to and are willing, LIKE ME, yes i am 100% willing to go out and know the risks if i catch it. Granted i am more likely to be struck by lightning than die from this. Or is is the fact that all these hand outs from the gov will slow down? You are not bei g forced to go out. Noone is forcing you back to work. You retain the right to stay home.

Actually I didn't prove your point, by going on how you are fine with taking the risk, you are also saying you are fine for potentially being a risk for others if you catch it. Your freedom ends when that freedom starts putting other people at risk.

You keep going on about them infringing the rights of others, but never realize you're wanting to do the same thing, infringe their rights by potentially curtailing their right to Life through potential exposure to the virus.

You're doing the equivalent of saying, "I'm fine with speeding, I should be able to speed in town because I understand the risks involved and how I may potentially injure myself due to going to fast and losing control of my vehicle in one way or another." But you are neglecting that choosing to speed on a busy road doesn't put just your life at risk, it puts other peoples lives at risk as collateral damage if you do get into a wreck.


Also no one has been saying "We need to hide at home" What people have been saying is, we need to make sure that people are protected before going back to work. Rather than just going "Well lets get back to it." And helping the virus spread like a wildfire.

[Trunksee]

And there's the rub "quit your job hurr Durr" not really an option for most people..plus what're you gonna do if a bunch of places don't reopen cuz you want to sit down inside a restaurant?

listen friendo you guys are gonna make this shit last longer. If we all took this seriously from the beginning we'd be in a much better position right now.

If we reopen and stop the mitigation efforts too soon cases may skyrocket. We may have to shut down again. I want this to end asap but it needs to be done the right way.

How are we going to make it last longer? There is no world plan. This is not going anywhere until 5 to 10 years from now when we have a vaccine. Given the vaccine is even effective.

You are all being sold something that is unobtainable. This virus is not leaving and you cant sacrifice to good of all for the good of the minority.

Like i said we have been closing field hospitals and furloughing hospital staff. The hospitals arent making money right now with out elective surgery. How do you propose the hospitals stay open if they dont make money?

[Trunksee]

Actually I didn't prove your point, by going on how you are fine with taking the risk, you are also saying you are fine for potentially being a risk for others if you catch it. Your freedom ends when that freedom starts putting other people at risk.

You keep going on about them infringing the rights of others, but never realize you're wanting to do the same thing, infringe their rights by potentially curtailing their right to Life through potential exposure to the virus.

You're doing the equivalent of saying, "I'm fine with speeding, I should be able to speed in town because I understand the risks involved and how I may potentially injure myself due to going to fast and losing control of my vehicle in one way or another." But you are neglecting that choosing to speed on a busy road doesn't put just your life at risk, it puts other peoples lives at risk as collateral damage if you do get into a wreck.


Also no one has been saying "We need to hide at home" What people have been saying is, we need to make sure that people are protected before going back to work. Rather than just going "Well lets get back to it." And helping the virus spread like a wildfire.

Social distancing and masks are fine keep that in place, but this pussy footing phased openong with no rhyme or reason to whats more important than another. I mean come on.

What rights am I taking away from you if we reopen restaurants and the people want to work?

[beanman12345]

Noone is forcing you back to work. You retain the right to stay home.

Tell that to the meat packing industry. Oh they're supposed to just quit, or something. God your argument is just shit.

[Tenlo]

How are we going to make it last longer? There is no world plan. This is not going anywhere until 5 to 10 years from now when we have a vaccine. Given the vaccine is even effective.

You are all being sold something that is unobtainable. This virus is not leaving and you cant sacrifice to good of all for the good of the minority.

Like i said we have been closing field hospitals and furloughing hospital staff. The hospitals arent making money right now with out elective surgery. How do you propose the hospitals stay open if they dont make money?

If cases skyrocket we will probably reclose shit. Today is sunny so I guess it means it'll never rain again? Hospitals probably can do elective surgery iirc here in PA we are again.

You're basically looking at the results of our efforts going "HAH SEE CLOSING WAS STUPID" and ignoring the fact that this can change fast. And the fact that even with all our efforts it's gonna be at least 100k dead. Imagine where we'd be if we didn't close?

[Milchshake]

Chief "Bonespurs" is at it again. Showing contempt for people that serve. Showing contempt for people that mostly voted for him.


‘Hard stop’: States could lose National Guard virus workers
The Trump administration’s order ends deployments on June 24, just one day before thousands would qualify for education and retirement benefits.

This is crazy. The Trump Administration is going to end critical National Guard deployments abruptly just so Guard members won't become eligible for retirement and education benefits.
June 24 will mark 89 days since thousands of Guard members first went on federal deployment in March. Guard members qualify for key retirement and education benefits after 90 days.

[Edge-]

It’s expected. Trump doesn’t care about the military beyond their value as a prop.

Remember that time he deployed the National Guard to the border and kept them there during the holidays, away from their families and loved ones, to dig ditches and do paperwork? Because he needed to look like he was "DOING SOMETHING" to stop the evil "MIGRANT CARAVAN" that never seemed to assault our borders leading into the 2018 election?

Those were good times. Real, real good times.

[Trunksee]

If cases skyrocket we will probably reclose shit. Today is sunny so I guess it means it'll never rain again? Hospitals probably can do elective surgery iirc here in PA we are again.

You're basically looking at the results of our efforts going "HAH SEE CLOSING WAS STUPID" and ignoring the fact that this can change fast. And the fact that even with all our efforts it's gonna be at least 100k dead. Imagine where we'd be if we didn't close?

Closing was stupid because we did nothing with the time we bought by doing it.

[beanman12345]

It’s expected. Trump doesn’t care about the military beyond their value as a prop.

I have a feeling when he was in military school, he didn't take kindly to them not allowing him to not take responsibility, so president bone spurs has festered a grudge on the military ever since.

[TigTone]

Closing was stupid because we did nothing with the time we bought by doing it.

It gave competent state governments time to prepare for “safer” openings.

By safer it depends if people follow safety regulations.
So stupid does as stupid will like always but for us not so stupid will mostly stay safe.

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I have a feeling when he was in military school, he didn't take kindly to them not allowing him to not take responsibility, so president bone spurs has festered a grudge on the military ever since.

I could very well be wrong but seeing how he was a rich kid they probably didn’t even bother to discipline him just to avoid hearing complaints from his family.

[Breccia]

education benefits

This is the real kicker.

I find this particularly disturbing based on WH rhetoric. If the danger is over, then cut the deployment now and be done with it. If you don't know the danger is over, don't announce June 24th is it. This is basically like hiring someone for 38 hours a week up until the week before Thanksgiving, then firing them just as Black Friday starts.

[Tenlo]

Closing was stupid because we did nothing with the time we bought by doing it.

So where would we be if we didn't close? And that seems like a trump issue given he didn't use the time well. Like at all.

[beanman12345]

I could very well be wrong but seeing how he was a rich kid they probably didn’t even bother to discipline him just to avoid hearing complaints from his family.

Well according to the wiki of the school he went to, at the time Trump was attending, staff were permitted to beat the students. I have no doubt with his family being as wealthy as they were, they held back far more often than not, but only takes 1 or 2 teachers hitting the breaking point and giving a good whack for him to develop a grudge.