Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Noxx79]

Closing was stupid because we did nothing with the time we bought by doing it.

And the administration you are willing to die and kill for is at fault.

So now the economy is going to crash again AND we’re going to have more deaths.

Win/win, am I right?

[rayvio]

Have you not watched the news its been being called a war for a while now.

I haven't been watching the US news, no. I occasionally read the UK news

[beanman12345]

Have you not watched the news its been being called a war for a while now.

Yup truly we are at war.

[Tazkar]

See no one will engage how hospitals are private companies who have a bottom line. Hospitals are furloughing staff. Does it not make sense for them to list as much as they can as covid to get as much money as they can as many states have shut down their money maker in elective surgeries. Now i see tons of people on her laying down conspiracy theroys about our prison system. This is the same thing. To keep their bottom line they are listing as much as they can as covid

They are private companies yes, but as others have stated there are a whole shit loads of laws and regulations that prevent hospitals form just checkmarking boxes for more money.

I've been taking classes in getting Certifications for EHR and CMAA, which is Medically Administrative Assistants. Putting in false codes, aka upcoding for services not provided to get more money is a sure fire way to open yourself up to getting sued. Not just audited by the OIG. The Administrator of the office isn't responsible for doing the actual coding. the Billing and Coders are for big hospitals. So the Admin can't just sneak a code in very easily as those people see the forms repeatedly.
Its a bureaucracy of rules and regulations where medical codes are checked and rechecked over and over.

[Benggaul]

I haven't been watching the US news, no. I occasionally read the UK news

You're not missing much. The only ones calling it a "war" are the ones hoping for Trump's reelection since "war time" incumbents usually enjoy a popularity boost...which Trump has already squandered. It's also the reason Trump and his surrogates have done a lot of saber-rattling over the Middle East lately.

[Edge-]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9523146.html

Man, Trump really has problems with female reporters asking him questions he doesn't like.

[Trunksee]

They are private companies yes, but as others have stated there are a whole shit loads of laws and regulations that prevent hospitals form just checkmarking boxes for more money.

I've been taking classes in getting Certifications for EHR and CMAA, which is Medically Administrative Assistants. Putting in false codes, aka upcoding for services not provided to get more money is a sure fire way to open yourself up to getting sued. Not just audited by the OIG. The Administrator of the office isn't responsible for doing the actual coding. the Billing and Coders are for big hospitals. So the Admin can't just sneak a code in very easily as those people see the forms repeatedly.
Its a bureaucracy of rules and regulations where medical codes are checked and rechecked over and over.

Yall are so naive and young. its very amusing to hear yall speak about prison reform and compared to hospitals its a joke of how they operate. btw if your boss tells you to do it or lose your job, well see how you feel.

[Zan15]

Yall are so naive and young. its very amusing to hear yall speak about prison reform and compared to hospitals its a joke of how they operate. btw if your boss tells you to do it or lose your job, well see how you feel.

ever work in an actual business/company/corporation? I mean talk about sounding "naïve"

There are so many controls in place its not even funny.

so many ways to human resource the hell out of a boss trying to tell you to do something illegal, including some that will make you money for reporting them outside of the company.

not to mention the 10,000 lawyers that would jump at the bit to represent you after you are fired....


on top of all that, calling people who work in the industry Naïve is...well...ironic...when you haven't



oh but thank you for calling me young, been a while I appreciate it

[Tazkar]

Yall are so naive and young. its very amusing to hear yall speak about prison reform and compared to hospitals its a joke of how they operate. btw if your boss tells you to do it or lose your job, well see how you feel.

Let's flip that around, lets say my boss tells me to do it and I do it?

Then a year down the road my Boss suddenly gets investigated for Fraud and Abuse and eventually charged, the facility gets closed down and I'm out of a job.

I look for a new job in the same profession, but everyone has heard about how I was complicit in the illegal activity my boss was doing. And suddenly I'm not as hire-able because I was ethically compromised and I can't be trusted to look out for the well-being of the patient and their best interests and could very well get my new boss in deep shit because of it.

Notice in my previous post, I never said corruption doesn't happen. Also I never mentioned anything on prison reform, you just keep spouting out what you 'think' is going on as if it is fact. Corruption exists therefore everything is corrupt from top to bottom is how you've been approaching this every single time.

Also you don't have a clue what naivety is if you take my statement as naive. I'm probably more damn paranoid than you are when it comes to "Are people being shady!?"

[Edge-]

https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...f-honor-2020-5

Man, this is some awful spin. Trump is giving himself a pat on the back because the US is leading the world in confirmed coronavirus cases.

Doesn't make sense? Yeah, don't worry.

It's because he attributes that to great testing.

Despite the fact that testing in the US remains woefully inadequate and can often be very inaccurate depending on the tests used and the states reporting them.

[Omega10]

https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...f-honor-2020-5

Man, this is some awful spin. Trump is giving himself a pat on the back because the US is leading the world in confirmed coronavirus cases.

Doesn't make sense? Yeah, don't worry.

It's because he attributes that to great testing.

Despite the fact that testing in the US remains woefully inadequate and can often be very inaccurate depending on the tests used and the states reporting them.

What he said is a lot more ... disgusting than what you described.

"When we have a lot of cases, I don't look at that as a bad thing, I look at that as, in a certain respect, as being a good thing," Trump told reporters. "Because it means our testing is much better."

He added, "I view it as a badge of honor, really, it's a badge of honor."

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[Noxx79]

Yall are so naive and young. its very amusing to hear yall speak about prison reform and compared to hospitals its a joke of how they operate. btw if your boss tells you to do it or lose your job, well see how you feel.

I work for a non-profit teaching hospital. I work intimately with every aspect of this hospital. I see what billing, doctors, even the CEO do. I’m confident they are honest, especially since the government watches us like a hawk. There are SO many laws and regulations that any oddity is scrutinized and investigated.

We lost some Medicare money because the hospital, while one of the best in the country, takes the most difficult cases, which causes our morbidity to look a little high.

Hell the scenario you’re describing is exactly the type of thing that is drilled into us in a yearly basis: false billing is a huge deal. Any smell of that gets multiple people fired. In fact, it’s the most strict thing looked at for non-doctors other than straight up HIPAA/privacy violations.

You’re living in an imaginary world. Sorry, covid is a problem, despite the inaction of your lord and savior Trump.

In non-hospital jobs, I’ve told my boss that I will not do certain unethical things, and brought it to the attention of his superiors - as far back as my high school job. I have balls and a moral compass that I won’t compromise. It’s hard sometimes, but I’d rather have a setback than be a subservient drone.

As a descendent if Holocaust survivors, and victims, - “I was just following orders” in ANY situation is abhorrent to me, and not an acceptable excuse for anything.

For someone who claims to value freedom, you sure do bow to authority quite a lot.

[Captain N]

And now we have Trump Allies trying to get doctors on board with their bullshit -- Just when you think this can't get any worse....It does.

https://apnews.com/4ee1a3a8d631b454f...9uRo3Qg9PEH3GI

Republican political operatives are recruiting “pro-Trump” doctors to go on television to prescribe reviving the U.S. economy as quickly as possible, without waiting to meet safety benchmarks proposed by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to slow the spread of the new coronavirus.

[Orange Joe]

So what are you willing to give up? Are you ready to actually accept a depression and see what real suffering is. To see children go hungry. To see people on the streets begging for money. Yall need to accept the fact that this vaccine may never come.

Yes. I would gladly suffer a depressions to save 10's of thousands of lives. You know why? Because 10's of thousands don't die due to a depression.

[Edge-]

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...general-268611

Trump's war on Inspectors General continues. A day after firing the State Department IG he fired the Transportation IG.

He's not an appointee, and was the acting IG, but was still the acting IG. The DOT disputes he was ever the IG in any capacity, which is a bit or a problem because his own bio on the OIG website lists him (still) as the Acting Inspector General, and the OIG's press release announcing Behm's inclusion in the pandemic response team lists him as Acting IG for DOT.

He was also, conveniently, apparently investigating possible conflicts of interest between Secretary of Transportation Elain Chao and her husband, Mitch McConnell.

The Republican war on oversight and accountability continues.

[Orange Joe]

I understand part of that. People seem to have forgotten what the great depression looked like. We are literally staring that in the face. You all do understand that right? You may not even be able to financially take care of that person you saved after this. You will have literally saved their life to make them suffer when this is over.

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Umm the virus. The thing attacking us.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/scien...ates-46713514/

Stop with your bullshit.

[Masark]

Yes. I would gladly suffer a depressions to save 10's of thousands of lives. You know why? Because 10's of thousands don't die due to a depression.

But what about deaths of this pear?

[Edge-]

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/19/p...ing/index.html

Vice President Mike Pence, who has led the administration's coronavirus task force, announced all 50 US states had partially opened their economies. The American people, Pence said, "are breathing free air and doing it responsibly."

Motherfucking what the fuck did this man just say? Breathing free air? Homeboy, first off air ain't exactly as "free" as you think. If you're poor and/or live in poor neighborhoods, you're usually breathing significantly worse quality air that leads to a raft of respiratory and health issues.

Second off, nobody was ever "not free". The way Republicans talk about it, you'd think we'd all been bonded by slavery and had no means to escape.

And you know what? Many folks AREN'T doing it responsibly, because your boss and his media cult have argued that this is all a hoax and the protective measures are unnecessary. That's why you see bars packed with unmasked people. Stores refusing to service anyone that shows up in a mask.

Racist Race Bannon needs to stop fucking talking.

[Orange Joe]

So a man in Colorado dies with Covid. He had a .55 Blood alcohol level. They lissted it as a covid death. 25% of New Yorks number were listed as covid with out a test. Colorado just changed the wording on their listing of deaths to dying with covid to died from covid... Any one willing to explain.


Yet lets attack Florida

Source please.

[Thepersona]

And now we have Trump Allies trying to get doctors on board with their bullshit -- Just when you think this can't get any worse....It does.

https://apnews.com/4ee1a3a8d631b454f...9uRo3Qg9PEH3GI

Republican political operatives are recruiting “pro-Trump” doctors to go on television to prescribe reviving the U.S. economy as quickly as possible, without waiting to meet safety benchmarks proposed by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to slow the spread of the new coronavirus.

I hope that said doctors remember their OATH before spouting that stupidity.