Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Breccia]

A Tracing Infected App on the phone is not a Government Power Grab.

This is true. A governmental power grab is, for example, seizing privately-owned lands for a Wall, forcing meat packers to go back to plague-infested workplaces, firing everyone who does their Constitutionally-mandated job of investigating corruption, and claiming you have "absolute authority" and refusing to testify or let your employees testify -- even so far as forcing NDAs just to work at the White House.

Anyone who is upset about a "governmental power grab" must first denounce these issues. Or, they'll out themselves as a hypocrite. What do you think, szechuan? 24 hours enough time?

Also: in what is a sign of the dams bursting

"You talking about Michigan?"

No. Not yet. Anyhow, a small town in Alabama just filed for bankruptcy because coronavirus.

This is highly expected, and likely, the first of many. As we've been talking about before, Republicans are now bragging about "hey look, NY is in loads of debt while TX and FL have balanced budgets and they're fine! Reopen reopen dee diddley dee: But balanced budgets only work, by definition, if you can take in as much as you spend. I mean, dur. So sudden, substantial outflow (lethal virus outbreak) met with sudden, substantial drop in tax revenue (everyone is unemployed) means one of two things:

1) You cut services during a lethal virus outbreak, risking your own taxpayers, or
2) You file for bankruptcy.

Yes, ALabama has a balanced budget requirement. That's almost certainly involved here. Fairfield is small and poor. The state clearly hasn't helped enough, hence, the town taking their chances in court.

It's highly likely Fairfield, AL is the first of what will be many. And based on the laws of the states they're in, I would expect a disproportionate number of cities that are both unable to make ends meet, and also required to do so, to be in the South. Good luck with that, y'all.

Also on topic: re-opening is already having some nasty stumbling blocks. A Ford plant in Chicago found two workers tested positive and shut the whole thing down after being re-opened for literally 24 hours. Adding to the "fun" a church in GA and a church in TX both closed after re-opening because, yep, some of the congregation came to mass sick.

[Trunksee]

None of this is true... My gf’s ballot was sent back, because they didn’t think the signature matched registration. Each ballot is unique to the individual voter. You are making shit up...

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They also have to match your signature and assume the risk of you contacting authorities about not receiving your ballot, since they would literally know where the law breaker lives.

I never said it did. It could happen on both sides. I mean i am all for free ids and then the institution of voter id so that is kind of why.

[Lenonis]

I think at this point into his presidency most people can agree he is a shit President, this is not even a bias or anti-Trump thing, he is just a poor leader in every sense of the word.

I mean...sure a majority disapproves of him as President...however the amount of people who DO think he's a good leader is actually frightening. How this man...this particular petty vile man somehow managed to capture the passions of ~35% of the population to the point where they will defend him over ANYTHING is really quite shocking. I'm sure it'll be studied quite a bit in the future.

[Unholyground]

I mean...sure a majority disapproves of him as President...however the amount of people who DO think he's a good leader is actually frightening. How this man...this particular petty vile man somehow managed to capture the passions of ~35% of the population to the point where they will defend him over ANYTHING is really quite shocking. I'm sure it'll be studied quite a bit in the future.

When you have generations of inequality and poor education you create people who will believe what they are told no matter how dire it seems to others.

[Trunksee]

I think at this point into his presidency most people can agree he is a shit President, this is not even a bias or anti-Trump thing, he is just a poor leader in every sense of the word.

Oh absolutely. Hey I finally came around for all of you. Doesnt mean im not still going to vote for whoever has an R in front of their name. I expected him to be shit. I think 4 more years and maybe we will finally see some real change in washington.

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I mean...sure a majority disapproves of him as President...however the amount of people who DO think he's a good leader is actually frightening. How this man...this particular petty vile man somehow managed to capture the passions of ~35% of the population to the point where they will defend him over ANYTHING is really quite shocking. I'm sure it'll be studied quite a bit in the future.

There are also plenty of people who disapprove of him who are still going to vote for him. Not sure how many are like me who want to see Washington exposed for what they are and this man is just the man to cause the ruckus needed.

[Machismo]

Oh absolutely. Hey I finally came around for all of you. Doesnt mean im not still going to vote for whoever has an R in front of their name. I expected him to be shit. I think 4 more years and maybe we will finally see some real change in washington.

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There are also plenty of people who disapprove of him who are still going to vote for him. Not sure how many are like me who want to see Washington exposed for what they are and this man is just the man to cause the ruckus needed.

Yes... pretending to expose corruption by voting for one of the most corrupt presidents in history.

Keep telling yourself that lie.

[Unholyground]

Oh absolutely. Hey I finally came around for all of you. Doesnt mean im not still going to vote for whoever has an R in front of their name. I expected him to be shit. I think 4 more years and maybe we will finally see some real change in washington.

There is corruption on all ends of the government, doesn't matter which way you lean. If real change is to happen you need younger progressive people in all positions of office and no attachments to these corporations that pull all the strings. Or you need a full on revolution which from what I gather is being talked about seriously by many people behind closed doors. Only time will tell what happens.

[Trunksee]

There is corruption on all ends of the government, doesn't matter which way you lean. If real change is to happen you need younger progressive people in all positions of office and no attachments to these corporations that pull all the strings. Or you need a full on revolution which from what I gather is being talked about seriously by many people behind closed doors. Only time will tell what happens.

I dont want progressive lol i want them to pull back on restrictions and government aid. I just want these career politicians who pander to the poor or just help the rich all to eat themselves alive.

[Acidbaron]

Back to promoting the malaria drug, something that does not work.

Good thing nobody actually needs that drug and it's not like drug prices aren't already very high in the US compared to other nations, oh wait.

It is pretty embarrassing that your president needs basically a daily warning here on national news that people don't even consider listening to his stupid yet deadly "advice".

[Breccia]

I think at this point into his presidency most people can agree he is a shit President

Not to sound too "Why so serious?" but, generally speaking, when things fall apart people tend to look at (a) their leader and (b) their plan. Whether COVID-19's outbreak was due to Trump's lack of preparation and plan, an accident nobody could have anticipated or--

It’s one person coming in from China. We have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.

Yes yes, but this is a hypothetical. Or whether it was started in the US by nature, by terrorists, or even God himself on a really bad day (like, Old Testament God here) at some point people look at their lives -- their lack of jobs, lack of health care, and dying community perhaps -- and say "why didn't anyone stop this?"

And the buck stops with Trump, no matter what Trump says about responsibility.

Trump more than most knows what image means. It's why he claims to be worth TEN BILLION DOLLARS but won't show his taxes. It's why he pays $130,000 to the whore who's not any of his wives to keep quiet about having sex with him. It's why he publicly claims he'll fight to the bitter end in court then tries to quietly settle when the cameras are off. And now, he's watching one of the largest, richest, most powerful countries in the world crumble into ash and soot at his touch.

He's going to try to shift the narrative, screaming CHINA VIRUS like a childish poster in an anonymous forum, attacking Democrats with "well they criticized me!" when he knows full well the legislative branch can't close airports or borders, and retweeting things about the XFL when he's supposed to be working. Since all his original promises now lie in tattered ruins around him, smoldering and soggy with his tears, he'll make new ones which anyone with two brain cells to bang together will translate into "Trump 2020: give me the chance to fix the mistakes I personally caused".

And let's face it: most of his plans failed by Dec 31, 2019 anyhow. He can try to blame the outbreak for, let's say, not breaking 3% GDP but he had already failed at peak. For not creating enough jobs even though he was on path to fail that, too. For not balancing the budget. For failing to make a bigly China trade deal. Hell, he even got NAFTA 1.0.0.2 through and that's falling apart now and that hasn't even gone into effect yet.

People fail for various reasons. Some people have horrifyingly bad luck. Some people are sabotaged. Some people shoot for the stars, but are so morbidly obese their gravitational pull sucks them back to Earth making a crater the size of -38% GDP and breaking both bone spurs and all three inches of his dick. But at some point, failure is failure. After enough poor results, you can objectively point to someone, say "that person is a failure" and back it with over two thousand pages of cited objective evidence. Some people will try to defend Trump as having his tenure stolen from him by the virus, by librul commie Democrats, or any number of other non-Trump things that are somehow more responsible for his results than his words and actions. But even when they do this, dishonest and trolling and crying into their single scoop of ice cream every night, they know they've admitted Trump has failed.

[Paranoid Android]

I'm not even sure what to add to these Trump tweets, honestly. He's literally trying to make mail-in ballots synonymous with "voter fraud," despite the fact he has literally no basis for this. The only thing he can mention about it is a flat out lie.

Pretty much setting your election up for rampant calls of "FAKE NEWS" if he doesn't win.

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On a different not, this:

Totally dangerous. A tweet that I would think should be flagged by Twitter. An incredible thing to state, but one of Trump's most dangerous tweets.

Oh btw, I don't live in Michigan, yet the replies I see is these are applications, not actual absentee votes. So incredible misinformation by our frikin President.

[Breccia]

Oh btw, I don't live in Michigan, yet the replies I see is these are applications, not actual absentee votes. So incredible misinformation by our frikin President.

Pfft. You sound just like your Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson.

Hi! I also have a name, it’s Jocelyn Benson. And we sent applications, not ballots. Just like my colleagues in Iowa, Georgia, Nebraska and West Virginia

[Unholyground]

Not to sound too "Why so serious?" but, generally speaking, when things fall apart people tend to look at (a) their leader and (b) their plan. Whether COVID-19's outbreak was due to Trump's lack of preparation and plan, an accident nobody could have anticipated or--[/I]

Ya but other countries looking in and following the blunder after blunder and the fact that the US military budget is so large that a tiny% of it could help alleviate a lot of these problems. Just obvious things that the US government doesn't seem to give a shit about in the end and keeps putting a spin on the death toll being a good thing thing because it could have been a lot worse instead of taking preventative measures a lot earlier.

Even before all of this it was pretty obvious he has no idea what he is doing.

[Lenonis]

Not sure how many are like me who want to see Washington exposed for what they are and this man is just the man to cause the ruckus needed.

Yeah, aaaaaaaaaaaaaany day now the swamp will be drained. You keep thinking that the walking embodiment of fraud and corruption will cleanse DC.

You are proving my point. So...thanks I guess?

[unfilteredJW]

This is oppression.

Fucking lol.

Could you be more delicate?

[Noxx79]

Oh absolutely. Hey I finally came around for all of you. Doesnt mean im not still going to vote for whoever has an R in front of their name. I expected him to be shit. I think 4 more years and maybe we will finally see some real change in washington.

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There are also plenty of people who disapprove of him who are still going to vote for him. Not sure how many are like me who want to see Washington exposed for what they are and this man is just the man to cause the ruckus needed.

Do you cut off your arm when you get a hangnail?

Morons who vote like you do are the reason Washington is shit.

Take responsibility for your actions.

Why haven’t you volunteered to die yet? Is responsibility for everyone else but yourself?

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So a man in Colorado dies with Covid. He had a .55 Blood alcohol level. They lissted it as a covid death. 25% of New Yorks number were listed as covid with out a test. Colorado just changed the wording on their listing of deaths to dying with covid to died from covid... Any one willing to explain.


Yet lets attack Florida

Such proof. Lie lie lie is all you do, if this is oppression, you’re a spoiled brat. Grow up, racist.

[Thepersona]

It still works fine.

Ah... i remember my times playing P3P when i see that card...
i should pick it up again

[Trunksee]

Do you cut off your arm when you get a hangnail?

Morons who vote like you do are the reason Washington is shit.

Take responsibility for your actions.

Why haven’t you volunteered to die yet? Is responsibility for everyone else but yourself?

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Such proof. Lie lie lie is all you do, if this is oppression, you’re a spoiled brat. Grow up, racist.

Lol i am out working everyday. There has not been 1 day i dont get up and go to the job site. So dont lump me in as a person working from home. I took a pay cut below what unemployment would pay me... I understand how economics work and how consumer confidence works so i kept working.

This is oppression due to the fact that if people dont want to work you can choose not to. But oh wait that means these low pay workers have to go back to work instead of collecting and making more money.

[Dontrike]

Yea I did miss the primaries part so my bad there. Mail in ballots are a very iffy subject with me. If you at least request them its fine but it seems as though they just sent them out which i am not ok with.

Then that means you shouldn't like that Trump voted by mail. Why does Trump get to do it, but others can't?

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Oh absolutely. Hey I finally came around for all of you. Doesnt mean im not still going to vote for whoever has an R in front of their name. I expected him to be shit. I think 4 more years and maybe we will finally see some real change in washington.

So you believe him to be shit yet also if given another chance he might not be shit? You base this on what?

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There are also plenty of people who disapprove of him who are still going to vote for him. Not sure how many are like me who want to see Washington exposed for what they are and this man is just the man to cause the ruckus needed.

He's exposed the corruption because he's the source of all of it right now. You're literally hoping Trump is exposed for his corruption and think Trump is the man to do so.

Anyone that disapproves of him and still votes for him is the same kind of person that puts a fork in an outlet twice, just to make sure.

[Draco-Onis]

I dont want progressive lol i want them to pull back on restrictions and government aid. I just want these career politicians who pander to the poor or just help the rich all to eat themselves alive.

I have asked this many times but I am still wondering, do Trump supporters not realize that they are Trump supporters? a lot of the things you guys say would qualify you as despising the guy.