Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Edge-]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...886_story.html

Irony is dead and the Republican Party is now the Conspiracy Theory Party. The candidate Oregon "Republicans" nominated in their primary is a Q-anon conspiracy nutter.

Modern conservatism in the US is well and truly dead. There is no party for it any longer, it's been successfully co-opted by the very nutters that they spend decades creating, and have now lost control of.

[Felya]

You have no idea how the construction industry works so dont try to.

Don’t try what? Make you explain?

And yes investors are holding their deadlines over our heads with liquidated damages over our heads. They have not backed off on deadlines at any time during this. Dont deliver we pay.

Why did you take a pay cut?

I am not fighting about what you think i am.

I didn’t realize you were fighting... do I wear gloves for this fight? A warning would have been nice...

We need the economy to get back on track. The construction industry is directly tied to how much money the rich are making. We don make money on a small residential home. Thats why joe rusty pick up makes those. I am talking about commercial construction. It dries up fast when people dont spend.

Yet, you took a pay cut.......

[Acidbaron]

Lol i am out working everyday. There has not been 1 day i dont get up and go to the job site. So dont lump me in as a person working from home. I took a pay cut below what unemployment would pay me... I understand how economics work and how consumer confidence works so i kept working.

This is oppression due to the fact that if people dont want to work you can choose not to. But oh wait that means these low pay workers have to go back to work instead of collecting and making more money.

Ouch, working out risking your safety. Sounds like much of constitutes as freedom of the US sounds to slavery to me.

[TigTone]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...886_story.html

Irony is dead and the Republican Party is now the Conspiracy Theory Party. The candidate Oregon "Republicans" nominated in their primary is a Q-anon conspiracy nutter.

Modern conservatism in the US is well and truly dead. There is no party for it any longer, it's been successfully co-opted by the very nutters that they spend decades creating, and have now lost control of.

I say it’s become the part of con artist, getting a conspiracy theorist to trust you is actually very easy.

All you have to do is “say yes I agree with your theory! It is right, there is a shadow government. Lets expose them!”

[Trunksee]

Don’t try what? Make you explain?



Why did you take a pay cut?



I didn’t realize you were fighting... do I wear gloves for this fight? A warning would have been nice...



Yet, you took a pay cut.......

I took a pay cut so my company could keep as many people employed as possible. People are not payong on time because people are using the excuse that it takes longer with everyone working from home.

[Felya]

Ouch, working out risking your safety. Sounds like much of constitutes as freedom of the US sounds to slavery to me.

We are pretty much at a point where we need to give the rich money, otherwise Halliburton will fail.

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I took a pay cut so my company could keep as many people employed as possible. People are not payong on time because people are using the excuse that it takes longer with everyone working from home.

You get monthly payments for your industrial construction project? Are you going to get your money back, once your employer receives the late payments?

[Edge-]

People are not payong on time because people are using the excuse that it takes longer with everyone working from home.

You're gonna need to explain this.

Not paying on time because they're working from home? But I thought your workers were, you know, working? Your clients? Their status should be irrelevant as they're just paying you, and any delays in payment should see corresponding delays in work.

It's sounding more and more like whoever negotiates your contracts just takes whatever contract the client puts in front of them without any pushback or protections for the company, functionally turning you into indentured servitude.

[Trunksee]

We are pretty much at a point where we need to give the rich money, otherwise Halliburton will fail.

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You get monthly payments for your industrial construction project? Are you going to get your money back, once your employer receives the late payments?

Thats what they have told us. Once jobs are allowed to reopen and we can do reqs.

[Acidbaron]

I took a pay cut so my company could keep as many people employed as possible. People are not payong on time because people are using the excuse that it takes longer with everyone working from home.

Damn, you really believe that's how it works? You most likely took a cut so he could get a fancy dinner among partners celebrating how they succeeded in tricking the rubes.

Every time you work for someone and feel that you are worth to them more than just a number you are being conned. I mean i get it most young 20 year olds believe that experience comes with age though.

[Felya]

Thats what they have told us. Once jobs are allowed to reopen and we can do reqs.

What jobs reopen? You are in your office right now, with clients working from home.

[Acidbaron]

We are pretty much at a point where we need to give the rich money, otherwise Halliburton will fail.

I mean ideologically i am far closer to a fiscal conservative than a social democrat, although from my experience here and what i read online fiscal conservatives are out there but not represented in the GOP at all, they are only in there in name only.

It is really hard to sell this idea of corporation worship to Europeans, especially considering the state funding aka as socialism is going to corporations over people. I mean if this had to happen in France i think some politicians would need round the clock security.


Offtopic: Checked those two channels out you recommended contrapoints and philosophy tube, if you got any more you would be most welcome to PM me them

[Edge-]

It is really hard to sell this idea of corporation worship to Europeans

Is should be a harder sell in the US given consumer spending accounts for 70% of the growth in the US economy - https://www.inc.com/peter-cohan/cons...d-in-2020.html

And when that started to decrease in the pandemic the whole economy went with it.

But there's a persistent and rather pernicious myth/lie that the wealthy and corporations are "job creators" that's been Republican dogma since the Reagan days. It's never borne out in reality or had any meaningful data to back it up, and every time the US government has handed the rich and large corporations large financial handouts it's rarely led to any meaningful job growth that can be traced back to it, instead resulting in stock buybacks, bigger bonuses, and more concentrated wealth.

You're not alone in this, plenty of us are equally as mystified. But then again, these are the same folks that tried their "trickle down" policies in Kansas, where they so monumentally backfired that the Republican legislature had to override the veto of their Republican governor (more than 2/3rds of the House/Senate needed to vote in the affirmative to do so) to raise taxes after they'd slashed the budget as much as they could and were still running huge deficits.

But when you've got a whole segment of the media, conservative "news" shows, reinforcing this bullshit, because most of the hosts repeating these lies are the very rich who benefit from these policies, you end up getting a lot of people uncritically internalizing this while simultaneously rejecting any information that would show that their beliefs may be incorrect.

[Noxx79]

Well I mean i have not seen 1 thing critical of any democrat on this site other than from a few select people. So how critical can you call yourselves? I mean it wasnt Trump who sent sick people back from the hospital to the nursing homes. That mostly happened in which states?

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Im actually in my office on the job bud. It continues because if we dont we lose clients. If we lose clients all these leople we have employed wont have jobs. So you kind of have to keep the people who are spending large amounts of money happy or they will find someone else who will.

I would also like to add that construction is very low on the job loss scale right now. To keep it that way and not have 2008 all over again we need to continue to work. We need people to go back to offices so we can make more. We need to keep making housing around big developing areas. This could by all means crash the entire industry in a years time.

If you’re in the office, on the job, stop posting on a video game site you lazy moocher. Time theft is a big deal, you should cut your pay further because you’re stealing time with your laziness.

[TigTone]

If you’re in the office, on the job, stop posting on a video game site you lazy moocher. Time theft is a big deal, you should cut your pay further because you’re stealing time with your laziness.

You’re right efficient multitasking is a myth. Time for a past cut or worse a demotion.

[Felya]

Offtopic: Checked those two channels out you recommended contrapoints and philosophy tube, if you got any more you would be most welcome to PM me them

The thing is, it’s on topic. Since a lot of the arguments defending Trump are based on the destruction of the West by fake liberals and it’s time for true leftists to rise up... or everything Theo posts:



... and to finish the 4 corners of BreadTube, some good advice on how to converse with Trump supporters:

[draynay]

Well I mean i have not seen 1 thing critical of any democrat on this site other than from a few select people.

That isn't the subject of this thread, neither is your job, if you could stay on topic.

[Acidbaron]

Is should be a harder sell in the US given consumer spending accounts for 70% of the growth in the US economy - https://www.inc.com/peter-cohan/cons...d-in-2020.html

And when that started to decrease in the pandemic the whole economy went with it.

But there's a persistent and rather pernicious myth/lie that the wealthy and corporations are "job creators" that's been Republican dogma since the Reagan days. It's never borne out in reality or had any meaningful data to back it up, and every time the US government has handed the rich and large corporations large financial handouts it's rarely led to any meaningful job growth that can be traced back to it, instead resulting in stock buybacks, bigger bonuses, and more concentrated wealth.

You're not alone in this, plenty of us are equally as mystified. But then again, these are the same folks that tried their "trickle down" policies in Kansas, where they so monumentally backfired that the Republican legislature had to override the veto of their Republican governor (more than 2/3rds of the House/Senate needed to vote in the affirmative to do so) to raise taxes after they'd slashed the budget as much as they could and were still running huge deficits.

But when you've got a whole segment of the media, conservative "news" shows, reinforcing this bullshit, because most of the hosts repeating these lies are the very rich who benefit from these policies, you end up getting a lot of people uncritically internalizing this while simultaneously rejecting any information that would show that their beliefs may be incorrect.

Oh i am aware of the lie called reaganomics and the importance of consumer spending. I tried pointing this out a few times on this forum with simple examples of how 1 person buying a 10 dollar coffee vs 5 buying a 2 dollar coffee where the later is actually as it leads to more exposure and more purchases over time, or the example where 1 person buying an expensive mattress and 10 buying a regular one, where the regular purchases is more desirable as quantity leads to future investment and growth opportunities. It's the same how people are surprised that one of the richest people in the world is a person who sells something like toilets or toilet seats, people incorrectly link expensive items to economic growth.

It is also why it is in the wealthy their best interest that people keep spending as the value of their portfolio is tied to this.

I mean we can look into education and not having a good federal standard and allowing plenty state freedom is contributing to this lack of understanding economics, it is not better in the EU people have these weird ideas also but we never really went into a mad deregulation spree and i think this is due to mostly having governments that are home to several ideologies so they balance each other out somewhat.

But the biggest factor is, i think people only really start to question things when it really hurts them badly much like how the support for Trump goes. It's all fun and games when the other guy is experiencing the negatives of this sort of legislature, when they are on the receiving end opinions change.

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If you’re in the office, on the job, stop posting on a video game site you lazy moocher. Time theft is a big deal, you should cut your pay further because you’re stealing time with your laziness.

And while he's at it, don't forget the clock in and clock out every time you go to the bathroom. No freebies for you!

[Felya]

If you’re in the office, on the job, stop posting on a video game site you lazy moocher. Time theft is a big deal, you should cut your pay further because you’re stealing time with your laziness.

Actually, since shifting to working from home, my company has increased productivity by 25%. There is no back to the office date, but our working from home policy has changed to be when ever you want. We are no longer required to be in the office, even after the pandemic. My manager was making the case for a year, but then higher ups saw the numbers and we got it.

[Acidbaron]

The thing is, it’s on topic. Since a lot of the arguments defending Trump are based on the destruction of the West by fake liberals and it’s time for true leftists to rise up... or everything Theo posts:

[video=youtube_share;vYQo6LI3Y7c]https://youtu.be/vYQo6LI3Y7c/video]

... and to finish the 4 corners of BreadTube, some good advice on how to converse with Trump supporters:

[video=youtube_share;ds5U_0AOZ5I]https://youtu.be/ds5U_0AOZ5I/video]

Thanks although honestly i keep talking to fanatics to a minimum

[Felya]

Thanks although honestly i keep talking to fanatics to a minimum

That’s the second option...

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@Trunksee remember when you said construction wasn’t hit as much:

Construction is the 4th hardest hit by % and 6th by raw number, of unemployed:
https://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t14.htm