Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Felya]

This is scary and funny at the same time. Are we sure the US is a developed country? I kept thinking that this must be a joke article. Nobody could be that stupid.

Why are they going after charity? Bill Gates no longer runs Microsoft, he just does shit with his charity. It’s like the Clinton Foundation, what’s their issue with charity?

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Guess Jeff Sessions is now a true "enemy" of the Trump-led republicans....
Not a nice word to be found.

It’s why I keep bringing up Sessions when discussing actions of Barr and Russian investigation. While screaming ‘not collusion’, Trump replaced his previous AG, because he recused him self, due to his own meeting with Russians. Sessions, was one of the first, if not the first, major GOP member to not only get behind Trump, but also campaigned for him. This is Trump, turning on one of his biggest supporters, because he couldn’t do Trump’s bidding.

[Vankrys]

Guess Jeff Sessions is now a true "enemy" of the Trump-led republicans....


Not a nice word to be found.

if you're in the bus, hang on, it's gonna be a bumpy trip, with everything Trump is throwing under it.

[pathora44]

Guess Jeff Sessions is now a true "enemy" of the Trump-led republicans....


Not a nice word to be found.

Well, obviously, he said no to the great Cheetos covered one and that is treason. So he is of course a great enemy to the state.

[Felya]

Pretty much. Trump apparently demands unquestioning loyalty from pretty much everyone. But he sure as shit won't give you any loyalty in return if it might go against him. You're his friend only until you no longer serve a purpose.

That’s what makes it even worse, because he had Session’s loyalty. I don’t think Sessions realized that Trump would disapprove of recusing him self. The problem that Trump faced, is that Sessions simply couldn’t, regardless of his unlimited loyalty, review Muller results in the way Barr did. Sessions recusal, would have lead the report to go to Congress. He is punishing one of his most loyal supporters, because Sessions acted as he is supposed to, as a result of his own Russian meeting. This isn’t about Sessions becoming less loyal...

This is what Trump does to his supporters. See Trump Foundation and Trump University, for more evidence.

[Stormspark]

That’s what makes it even worse, because he had Session’s loyalty. I don’t think Sessions realized that Trump would disapprove of recusing him self. The problem that Trump faced, is that Sessions simply couldn’t, regardless of his unlimited loyalty, review Muller results in the way Barr did. Sessions recusal, would have lead the report to go to Congress. He is punishing one of his most loyal supporters, because Sessions acted as he is supposed to, as a result of his own Russian meeting. This isn’t about Sessions becoming less loyal...

This is what Trump does to his supporters. See Trump Foundation and Trump University, for more evidence.

Trump doesn't know what loyalty is. He just confuses loyalty with obedience. Loyalty is a different thing altogether. If you are truly loyal to someone, and they do something bad, you will call them out on it, and if necessary go against them to fix it.

[Felya]

Trump doesn't know what loyalty is. He just confuses loyalty with obedience. Loyalty is a different thing altogether. If you are truly loyal to someone, and they do something bad, you will call them out on it, and if necessary go against them to fix it.

I think he knows that he is a conman. Every conman looks down on their marks... just replace obedience, with confidence in Trump.

[Levelfive]

Trump doesn't know what loyalty is. He just confuses loyalty with obedience. Loyalty is a different thing altogether. If you are truly loyal to someone, and they do something bad, you will call them out on it, and if necessary go against them to fix it.

Everything Trump does is about sending a message in order keep people in line out of abject fear--if you cross him, you will be punished, either by firing or relentless public humiliation (which he has a limbic understanding of people's aversion to), and generally both. He wants assent, praise, and silent complicity in his criminal behavior. Loyalty is utterly irrelevant.

ETA: And sometimes investigation.* See Richard Burr.

[xenogear3]

Fuck that guy. Almost 100k dead from Covid, a burst dam in Michigan, and he plays golf. I’m so tired of this Presidency and there’s a decent chance we’re not halfway through it.

By becoming the president, Trump's main purpose is to screw USA.
With 100k people dead, why shouldn't he celebrate to play some golf?

[Levelfive]

Sessions has...sass?

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/s...e-i-did-my-job

Sessions Finally Fires Back At Trump: ‘You’re Damn Fortunate’ I Did My Job


By Cristina Cabrera
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May 23, 2020 10:28 a.m.
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Jeff Sessions, the besieged former attorney general to President Donald Trump and now-Alabama senate primary candidate, has reached his breaking point.

Trump, who has relentlessly bashed Sessions for recusing himself from Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation, once again put his ex-attorney general on blast via Twitter on Friday night.

“Alabama, do not trust Jeff Sessions. He let our Country down,” the President tweeted. “That’s why I endorsed Coach Tommy Tuberville (@TTuberville), the true supporter of our #MAGA agenda!”

That was apparently the final straw for the long-suffering Sessions, who had meekly tolerated his former boss’s attacks up until that point.

“ @realdonaldtrump Look, I know your anger, but recusal was required by law,” the senate candidate tweeted in response. “I did my duty & you’re damn fortunate I did. It protected the rule of law & resulted in your exoneration.”

“Your personal feelings don’t dictate who Alabama picks as their senator, the people of Alabama do,” he continued.

It was an unexpectedly bold rebuke from Sessions, who has long endured the President’s verbal assaults as he fights against his GOP primary rival, Tommy Tuberville, to win over heavily pro-Trump Alabama.

But Trump has show zero mercy to his former top official, whose recusal paved the way for Mueller’s probe, and has taken every step to sabotage Sessions’ bid for Senate by endorsing Tuberville, having his presidential reelection campaign send a frosty letter telling Sessions to stop tying himself to Trump, and glorying in the candidate’s failure to reach a majority in the primary race.

[Shadowferal]

Trump's press secretary is revealing how similar her intelligence is to her boss:

Trump's routing number revealed as press secretary announces he's donating quarterly salary to HHS: report

New York Times noted Friday night that as McEnany displayed the president's check to HHS at the briefing, she appeared to hold up the real thing and revealed Trump's private Capital One bank account and routing numbers.

[Machismo]

Trump's press secretary is revealing how similar her intelligence is to her boss:

Trump's routing number revealed as press secretary announces he's donating quarterly salary to HHS: report

New York Times noted Friday night that as McEnany displayed the president's check to HHS at the briefing, she appeared to hold up the real thing and revealed Trump's private Capital One bank account and routing numbers.

Yeah, I saw that... it was awesome.

That woman is so out of her depth, she may actually be worse than the last one.

[Breccia]

I don't see how golf makes any difference to that.

You don't have to. You should, but you're not the point.

Trump criticized Obama for golfing too much. Including during an outbreak.

President Obama has a major meeting on the N.Y.C. Ebola outbreak, with people flying in from all over the country, but decided to play golf!

And literally dozens of other times.

Trump also promised he'd never go golfing. That he'd be too busy.

The video is here, along with some non-tweets at his high school pep rallies.

Now, either you can accept that there is nothing wrong with golfing during an outbreak that's killed 100,000 people and counting, in which case, you must denounce Trump for criticizing Obama for golfing. Or, you must admit there is something wrong with golfing during an outbreak, and denounce Trump for doing so.

Pick one. Either way, Trump is a hypocrite. You get to choose if you'll join him or not.

[beanman12345]

You said four posts, it isn't four posts. The guy is a fucking loser, as are you. You are literally every here every day being the unpaid bitch interns of the corporate wing of the Democrat party. Clearly you have neither friends, family or anything much going on in your lives. Just logging in here a few hours a day when I can to point out you are your little friends are cunts takes up way too much of my free time, it s obvious you've both been especially excluded from the society in which you live.

Now enjoy having the last word on the matter - you always do, because let's face it, you've got way too much free time on your hands....

Yup we're all unpaid, all of us except you. What do they pay you in, turnips?

[Benggaul]

Report the obvious troll and move on, folks. Engaging it in this flame-fest isn't going to help anyone except it. This isn't even a case of "correcting misinformation to keep others from being deceived". This is just flat-out pointless back-and-forth with a ban-evading account. It's silly and it's just a waste of everyone's time.

Instead we can talk about how Trump's incompetence (and that of his sycophant supporters) means that COVID-19 may still be spreading at epidemic rates in 24 states, particularly in the South and Midwest, according to new research that highlights the risk of a second wave of infections in places that reopen too quickly or without sufficient precautions.

[Benggaul]

Given Trump's eagerness to go golfing and to get everything opened up no matter what, I would definitely expect a pretty solid second wave. And I seem to recall seeing something about how Trump won't shut things down for a second wave, too.

Well, as has been mentioned, Trump really has no say in whether or not states decide to close down--or when they decide to open up. He can throw tempter tantrums all he wants but it's up to the states themselves to set those terms. It's rather funny that the GOP--who ostensibly want less federal oversight and "States Rights!" and all that--are biting their tongues lest they be forced to say a word against Trump's idiotic decrees.

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Not sure how he expects to "put out the fires" if everyone is just allowed to go about their business. I'm sure he has some super duper master plan, though.

By extensive raking, no doubt.

[Machismo]

Report the obvious troll and move on, folks. Engaging it in this flame-fest isn't going to help anyone except it. This isn't even a case of "correcting misinformation to keep others from being deceived". This is just flat-out pointless back-and-forth with a ban-evading account. It's silly and it's just a waste of everyone's time.

Instead we can talk about how Trump's incompetence (and that of his sycophant supporters) means that COVID-19 may still be spreading at epidemic rates in 24 states, particularly in the South and Midwest, according to new research that highlights the risk of a second wave of infections in places that reopen too quickly or without sufficient precautions.

I think there's going to be some issues around the beaches and boardwalks, particularly along the East Coast and parts of the Gulf States. We're going to see a lot of people from rural areas (and the cities, going out there, and possibly spreading it to areas that have yet to get hit hard by the virus. This risk is far greater than simply crowding malls or grocery stores, because people often travel much greater distances to go to the beach (similar to sporting events).

[Breccia]

COVID-19 may still be spreading at epidemic rates in 24 states, particularly in the South and Midwest

Oh, and in case you thought it wouldn't get worse...you're clearly not paying attention. Because Florida Man is on the case.

Specifically, he claimed to have COVID-19 and coughed and spit on a police officer.

He now faces federal terrorism charges. Specifically, "bioweapon hoax".

In case you're wondering, no, he didn't just up and do that to a cop. He was being arrested for beating his wife (I did say "Florida Man") and thought "Hey, I have an idea..."

If you want to know why it's spreading in the South and Midwest, it's like 99% false sense of security of underpopulated areas thinking they're safe when they're not and acting in a careless or even reckless fashion, like this MS...MI...god dammit, which one's Missouri again?...hairdresser who went to work sick and literally infected 84 people, and 1% intentional dumbassery like this.

[Benggaul]

I think there's going to be some issues around the beaches and boardwalks, particularly along the East Coast and parts of the Gulf States. We're going to see a lot of people from rural areas (and the cities, going out there, and possibly spreading it to areas that have yet to get hit hard by the virus. This risk is far greater than simply crowding malls or grocery stores, because people often travel much greater distances to go to the beach (similar to sporting events).

Maybe, but maybe not too. I recall there being some evidence that showed COVID-19 lasted only minutes on surfaces exposed to direct sunlight (which led to Trump's "Blast yer body with UV!" idiocy), so beaches may not be as much of a hot zone (no pun intended) as previously thought. Malls, however, will attract more people escaping the heat of the sun as summer encroaches. And they'll all be handling merchandise in air-conditioned stores that will go right back on shelves for other people to paw at. I think given the choice I'd take my chances at the beach (not that I'm going anywhere this summer--still stupid to risk going to touristy areas for the time being).

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I think the issue is that while he can't overrule the states themselves, he can still attack them and incite people within those states. It ends up being about what happens as people no doubt start escalating things.

Sure, but given that the states he attacks are generally left or left-leaning anyway, I think it accomplishes less than he thinks. I'm sure California is trembling at his empty, empty threats.

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like this MS...MI...god dammit, which one's Missouri again?

Misery is MO.

[Machismo]

Maybe, but maybe not too. I recall there being some evidence that showed COVID-19 lasted only minutes on surfaces exposed to direct sunlight (which led to Trump's "Blast yer body with UV!" idiocy), so beaches may not be as much of a hot zone (no pun intended) as previously thought. Malls, however, will attract more people escaping the heat of the sun as summer encroaches. And they'll all be handling merchandise in air-conditioned stores that will go right back on shelves for other people to paw at. I think given the choice I'd take my chances at the beach (not that I'm going anywhere this summer--still stupid to risk going to touristy areas for the time being).

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Sure, but given that the states he attacks are generally left or left-leaning anyway, I think it accomplishes less than he thinks. I'm sure California is trembling at his empty, empty threats.

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Misery is MO.

I agree with the issue of surfaces, but I'm simply pointing to the sheer number of people, and the distances in which they traveled to get to that singular location. This is more about person-to-person contact, and not secondary contact.

I'm going to take my chances on little-known hiking trails, a few national parks, and the middle of some lakes.

[Benggaul]

I agree with the issue of surfaces, but I'm simply pointing to the sheer number of people, and the distances in which they traveled to get to that singular location. This is more about person-to-person contact, and not secondary contact.

I'm going to take my chances on little-known hiking trails, a few national parks, and the middle of some lakes.

Unfortunately I no longer have that option here. The few areas that were "little-known" are now "widely-known" because everyone was looking for a place to sneak off to since everything shut down here at the same time as the weather becoming nonstop gorgeous--which NEVER happens here.