Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[cubby]

That's what I've been saying, mostly at least. The fact is, the GOP knows full well they can't turn on Trump, they'll lose his base and therefore the election. It's the same reason why they attached themselves to the Religious Right and the gun nuts -- two groups that don't otherwise fit the Republican platform. They would lose elections otherwise. Since they can't win without the, well, racist sexist hatemongers that Trump calls very fine people up until they murder someone in broad daylight, they only chance they have left is a miracle -- Trump somehow winning, despite his record.

Even thought it's a tactical choice, they still deserve to be shown for the moral and ethical failures for doing so.

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George W Bush speaks out.

Laura and I are anguished by the brutal suffocation of George Floyd and disturbed by the injustice and fear that suffocate our country. Yet we have resisted the urge to speak out, because this is not the time for us to lecture. It is time for us to listen. It is time for America to examine our tragic failures – and as we do, we will also see some of our redeeming strengths.

It remains a shocking failure that many African Americans, especially young African American men, are harassed and threatened in their own country. It is a strength when protesters, protected by responsible law enforcement, march for a better future. This tragedy — in a long series of similar tragedies — raises a long overdue question: How do we end systemic racism in our society? The only way to see ourselves in a true light is to listen to the voices of so many who are hurting and grieving. Those who set out to silence those voices do not understand the meaning of America — or how it becomes a better place.

America’s greatest challenge has long been to unite people of very different backgrounds into a single nation of justice and opportunity. The doctrine and habits of racial superiority, which once nearly split our country, still threaten our Union. The answers to American problems are found by living up to American ideals — to the fundamental truth that all human beings are created equal and endowed by God with certain rights. We have often underestimated how radical that quest really is, and how our cherished principles challenge systems of intended or assumed injustice. The heroes of America — from Frederick Douglass, to Harriet Tubman, to Abraham Lincoln, to Martin Luther King, Jr. — are heroes of unity. Their calling has never been for the fainthearted. They often revealed the nation’s disturbing bigotry and exploitation — stains on our character sometimes difficult for the American majority to examine. We can only see the reality of America's need by seeing it through the eyes of the threatened, oppressed, and disenfranchised.

That is exactly where we now stand. Many doubt the justice of our country, and with good reason. Black people see the repeated violation of their rights without an urgent and adequate response from American institutions. We know that lasting justice will only come by peaceful means. Looting is not liberation, and destruction is not progress. But we also know that lasting peace in our communities requires truly equal justice. The rule of law ultimately depends on the fairness and legitimacy of the legal system. And achieving justice for all is the duty of all.

This will require a consistent, courageous, and creative effort. We serve our neighbors best when we try to understand their experience. We love our neighbors as ourselves when we treat them as equals, in both protection and compassion. There is a better way — the way of empathy, and shared commitment, and bold action, and a peace rooted in justice. I am confident that together, Americans will choose the better way.

Counting down to Trump tweet in six...five...forty-three.

Amazing statement. Well phrased, the right words - and at a critical time. A couple of sentences there seem to be laying the groundwork for coming out for Biden. I could be reading into it course - fuck, I'm certainly reading into it. But in these dark times, hope is where you can find it.

[Elegiac]

This is why I don't trust you people. 12 years ago you were out for Bush's blood. Now he's your best friend. A fucking crazy evangelical lunatic who killed hundreds of thousands of people to enrich his oil buddies. No wonder everyone thinks you are unprincipled, mendacious opportunists that believe in nothing.

Okay burner.

That feel when you miss the days of having an actual war criminal in office because at least he wasn't this baaaaaaaaaa oh god I think I actually might have died inside.

[cubby]

This is why I don't trust you people. 12 years ago you were out for Bush's blood. Now he's your best friend. A fucking crazy evangelical lunatic who killed hundreds of thousands of people to enrich his oil buddies. No wonder everyone thinks you are unprincipled, mendacious opportunists that believe in nothing.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

(on a side note - fucking amazing job at creating multiple burner accounts)

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That feel when you miss the days of having an actual war criminal in office because at least he wasn't this baaaaaaaaaa oh god I think I actually might have died inside.

W even came out last year and practically said "at least I wasn't this bad". And it's true. It would be hard to fathom someone who could win a US election and be this bad. But of course Deplorable-in-Chief is just a symptom of the real rot in this country. If people didn't support Trump...well, he wouldn't be supported. And we're talking about 35-45% of the country who still "favors" him.

(although I'm sure Cheney is griping around his compound dreaming of the shit he could have gotten away with)

[Funtringas]

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

So in four years Trump is going to be your hero when you bash the next Republican leader?

Do you believe in anything at all?

[cubby]

So in four years Trump is going to be your hero when you bash the next Republican leader?

Do you believe in anything at all?

What's really sad is that you put all this effort into watching the world burn(er). Imagine what you could do if you cared about anything, and weren't so angry inside. Have you seen American History X? The dialogue between Derek and Danny at the end - when Derek was saying that all the hateful shit he did never made him feel better.

Do these burner accounts and shit posting and hate make you feel better?

[Jotaux]

So in four years Trump is going to be your hero when you bash the next Republican leader?

Do you believe in anything at all?

Depends on how bad the next republican president is. It's almost like its good to be beyond the R or D next to a person's name.

[Funtringas]

What's really sad is that you put all this effort into watching the world burn(er). Imagine what you could do if you cared about anything, and weren't so angry inside.

I'm not sure how you got from my principled opposition to a warmongering president to "wanting to watch the world burn". You seem to be having a conversation with the voices in your mind.

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Depends on how bad the next republican president is. It's almost like its good to be beyond the R or D next to a person's name.

Will you not at some stage begin to question why successively worst presidents are being elected?

[cubby]

I'm not sure how you got from my principled opposition to a warmongering president to "wanting to watch the world burn". You seem to be having a conversation with the voices in your mind.

Because that's all your burner account statements are really saying. Nothing so laudible as "principled" is coming from your useless contributions to this thread. We all know you're just lashing out to see the world burn. I was hoping for a moment of honesty from you. Dare to dream, right Mr. Principled?

[Paranoid Android]

Alright multiple quotes from Republican Senators on Trump's stunt.

Shocking most dodge and run. The silliest are the ones who did not see it. Laughable.

So I will give you a few but many more if you want to click on link.

Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wis., on the president’s photo op at St. John’s last night: “Didn’t really see it.”

https://twitter.com/kasie/status/126...548663808?s=19

Sen. Mitt Romney, R-Utah. “I didn’t watch it closely enough to know.”

Sen. Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska: What we saw last night “was not the America that I know.”

I asked Sen. McConnell if President Trump’s leadership was right for this moment. “I’m not going to critique other people’s performances,” he said.

[Xyonai]

Alright multiple quotes from Republican Senators on Trump's stunt.

Shocking most dodge and run. The silliest are the ones who did not see it. Laughable.

So I will give you a few but many more if you want to click on link.



https://twitter.com/kasie/status/126...548663808?s=19

Days of silence on Trump's performance and the only response we get from most of the GOP leadership is a collective, noncommittal shrug.

Buncha spineless twats.

[Grapemask]

Man. Remember just 4 or 5 years ago, when a leader having peaceful protesters outside a church beaten and gassed so that he could get a photo op with a bible was the sort of news you'd expect to hear out of some third world country?

But somehow, in the year of our lord 2020, we've normalized it enough that we discuss it with the same sort of flippancy as Trump's covfefe. This should be the kind of stuff that pauses America until we get our government sorted out, but it's just another week in America.

Meanwhile, our conservative pals have found some way to cheer for the thing they've been hoarding their guns to oppose.

Stranger Things is going to have to come up with a weirder Upside Down, because the one we're living in now has theirs beat.

[solinari6]

Meanwhile, our conservative pals have found some way to cheer for the thing they've been hoarding their guns to oppose.

Literally a week or 2 ago. About wearing a mask, remember? LOL

[Kronik85]

If Bush 43 comes out supporting Biden, it might be popcorn time. It would certainly be a start of a civil war within the GOP. I was NEVER a fan of Bush2 until after he was out of office. But his exit was regal (with Obama being gracious), under the circumstances, and when he's been vocal since, it has been with words that I agree with.

Strange because Blair has become ever more unpopular with every passing year out of office for being a war criminal and all but across the pond time heals all wounds I guess.

What a year 2020 is when the support of a war criminal for "your guy" is a positive instead of utterly fucking shameful.

[eschatological]

I still think GWB is horrific. I think he and his cabinet were war criminals. I think he had Colin Powell get in front of the UN and lie about the imminent threat of WMD in Iraq, leading to countless deaths of innocent Iraqis. I think he instituted the draconian Patriot Act on the shocked goodwill of the country post 9/11, and should be excoriated for that.


...all people are saying is that that is, somehow, not the worst Presidency of this century. Republicans are 0/2 this century, and honestly, 1/6 since Eisenhower, the 1 being Gerald Ford who hated the stink attached to being Nixon's VP so much he didn't run for re-election when he was allowed to.

[beanman12345]

Strange because Blair has become ever more unpopular with every passing year out of office for being a war criminal and all but across the pond time heals all wounds I guess.

What a year 2020 is when the support of a war criminal for "your guy" is a positive instead of utterly fucking shameful.

I don't think, overall, Bush has become more popular since leaving. Hell iirc there was public outlash against ellen sitting with him just a year ago because of what bush stood for, not just about the iraq war but lgbt rights. However, since leaving office, he's all but dropped off the face of the earth. Out of sight, out of mind. However, if cubby is right, I don't think he is, but if he is that him supporting Biden leads to a civil war in the GOP than yeah I view it as a positive. I don't think it will because the GOP and RNC is 100% firmly behind Trump.

I actually think an endorsement would hurt Biden, because it's an unnecessary shit on the pile for all the concern trolls to add on to attach bush with biden.

[Smitzelplix]

Trump just can't help making himself look like Hitler.



https://twitter.com/Far_fromNormal1/...821899/photo/1

[DarkTZeratul]

Trump just can't help making himself look like Hitler.



https://twitter.com/Far_fromNormal1/...821899/photo/1

Powerful as this comparison is, the book was actually photoshopped into Hitler's hand:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hitler-holding-bible/

[beanman12345]

I still think GWB is horrific. I think he and his cabinet were war criminals. I think he had Colin Powell get in front of the UN and lie about the imminent threat of WMD in Iraq, leading to countless deaths of innocent Iraqis. I think he instituted the draconian Patriot Act on the shocked goodwill of the country post 9/11, and should be excoriated for that.


...all people are saying is that that is, somehow, not the worst Presidency of this century. Republicans are 0/2 this century, and honestly, 1/6 since Eisenhower, the 1 being Gerald Ford who hated the stink attached to being Nixon's VP so much he didn't run for re-election when he was allowed to.

Your history is a little off. You are 100% right that of the last 6 Ford was the only one who wasn't complete shit, and he hated the stink being attached to being nixon's VP, and he didn't want to run, but he did run for re-election, even though he was never elected in the first place. He even beat Reagan in the primary, he just never stood a chance against Carter in the general election because he pardoned Nixon. Than Reagan took the party down the super conservative rabbit hole and it's been downhill since for the party.

[Stormspark]

Your history is a little off. You are 100% right that of the last 6 Ford was the only one who wasn't complete shit, and he hated the stink being attached to being nixon's VP, and he didn't want to run, but he did run for re-election, even though he was never elected in the first place. He even beat Reagan in the primary, he just never stood a chance against Carter in the general election because he pardoned Nixon. Than Reagan took the party down the super conservative rabbit hole and it's been downhill since for the party.

It might actually be the end of them now. There is going to be a "civil war" of sorts within the party and it might end up splitting. Although it should've happened years ago with the Nazis started taking it over.

[Smitzelplix]

Powerful as this comparison is, the book was actually photoshopped into Hitler's hand:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hitler-holding-bible/

Well that's embarrassing, I don't have much experience with Photoshop. I think the comparisons in the linked tweet are fitting though.