Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Benggaul]

Even with masks how crowded ,hundred if not thousands, people have been there will be spikes. How many people at the protests were asymptomatic?

Oh I'm not saying it won't still be a problem. I'm just saying at least it was mitigated a little.

[Masark]

There will be a spike coming within the next two weeks but this time for the right cause. Not people crowding the beaches, the lakes, or rushing out to do their own selfish desires. There will be a spike because people are sick of the unmitigated power police have in this country and their complete lack of regard for the safety of the people they are suppose to protect. Better we get a spike from that then because Karen needed to get her hair highlighted or Kevin needed to go drink a beer at the bar.

Also because police are stealing masks.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/20...ect-protesters

[Paranoid Android]

It’s after midnight and @realDonaldTrump
has clocked a new one day record according to NBC White House producer @WinstonNBC
: 197 tweets or RT’s

I was off Twitter today, so idk what he is triggered about. I'm sure its everything and anything. But, its crazy we have a President who goes insane.

The thing is if he actually tweeted about how he is trying to help the American people, blah, blah, blah; it would be fine.

[Dontrike]

I didn’t realize Spicy was interviewing ppl, let alone his old boss on Wednesday. [video=youtube_share;mDrYocda9wA]http://youtu.be/mDrYocda9wA[/vido]

I can only tell by the pic at the beginning, as I'm not going to watch Trump, but his eyes are super pink and puffy. Has he been crying?

[Paranoid Android]

Disgusting. https://t.co/JCJWEFYZww

https://twitter.com/davidgura/status...918127106?s=19

Ahh catching up on Trump tweets.

So the one above is a screen shot of Trump retweeting Glenn Beck. To paraphrase Beck questions if a Floyd is a HERO. Then he tags Candace Owen.

Why? Some Trumpkin may want to debate this, but why. The person died at the hands of police brutality, which has lead to the protests.

[Thekri]

Yeah, I saw those empty cans too. Maybe they're trying to deflate the damage done when it's found out they used the real thing, by saying "we shouldn't have used the effectively same thing either"?

OC is no less the real thing then CS.

The army makes everyone go through CS chambers as part of training, it is awful, but not more so then OC. In general, CS is more potent for a given dosage, but dissipates quicker. CN is somewhat less, but has been determined to have nasty long term health effects, and isn't supposed to be used by the US at all now. However considering "Dosage" in an uncontrolled situation is impossible to control, and it scales in direct proportion to how close you were to one of those canisters (Diminishing over distance in relation to the square cube law, of course) it is entirely possible to get a disabilitizing dose of OC.

OC has replaced CN in a 1v1 basis, and has largely replaced CS as well, as it is just cheaper and denser, which causes it not to blow as far. This is also what causes it to stick to protestors, hence the longer effects (My understanding is that the effect actually lasts a shorter period, but because OC sticks to people in a way CS really doesn't, it has that effect in practice).

So I refuse to even give them the stupid point that OC isn't "real" tear gas. Yes it is.

[Stormspark]

OC is no less the real thing then CS.

The army makes everyone go through CS chambers as part of training, it is awful, but not more so then OC. In general, CS is more potent for a given dosage, but dissipates quicker. CN is somewhat less, but has been determined to have nasty long term health effects, and isn't supposed to be used by the US at all now. However considering "Dosage" in an uncontrolled situation is impossible to control, and it scales in direct proportion to how close you were to one of those canisters (Diminishing over distance in relation to the square cube law, of course) it is entirely possible to get a disabilitizing dose of OC.

OC has replaced CN in a 1v1 basis, and has largely replaced CS as well, as it is just cheaper and denser, which causes it not to blow as far. This is also what causes it to stick to protestors, hence the longer effects (My understanding is that the effect actually lasts a shorter period, but because OC sticks to people in a way CS really doesn't, it has that effect in practice).

So I refuse to even give them the stupid point that OC isn't "real" tear gas. Yes it is.

This is like...playing games on an Xbox One. And then claiming you actually weren't playing games, because it's not a Playstation 4.

[Felya]

Also because police are stealing masks.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/20...ect-protesters

A cop was also caught pulling down someone’s mask, to pepper spray them in the face.

[Omega10]

Apparently the jobs numbers were a lie and the real unemployment rate was around 16% for May. Someone thought misclassifying furloughed workers would go unnoticed. Well, the BLS noticed.

Their lie had good results. The stock market went up by a bunch, a day of very pro-Trump articles and comments were written and spoken, and any further stimulus is less likely to happen. This is from yahoo:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/coron...183328185.html

Title: Coronavirus stimulus: Surprise jobs report adds doubt to second round

Excerpts:

Once Washington absorbed Friday’s surprise jobs report showing a gain of 2.5 million jobs in May (after forecasts for 8 million jobs lost) many turned the question of how the news impacts the long awaited negotiations for an additional phase 4 stimulus deal.

It is surprising because its not true.

Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, in his remarks Friday, said the focus of any new legislation would be on getting “every American back to work,” implying that measures like expanding unemployment insurance and additional stimulus checks might not be a White House priority.

Working hard to minimize the amount of money going to working class and middle class Americans.

The news Friday appeared to bolster Republican efforts to move slow on another deal. “I reckon they’ll resume after the July 4 holiday weekend,” Kudlow said of additional negotiations. Previously, lawmakers had discussed hammering out at least some parts of a deal in June.

Republicans are doing everything possible to prevent middle class and working class Americans from getting any benefits. Having their lackeys lie about the unemployment numbers does not seem far fetched. Whether or not this was an intentional lie is not completely clear. But the lie - or mistake - certainly was used to good effect to advance their agenda.

[D Luniz]

It’s after midnight and @realDonaldTrump
has clocked a new one day record according to NBC White House producer @WinstonNBC
: 197 tweets or RT’s

I was off Twitter today, so idk what he is triggered about. I'm sure its everything and anything. But, its crazy we have a President who goes insane.

The thing is if he actually tweeted about how he is trying to help the American people, blah, blah, blah; it would be fine.

throw a dart and you'll likely hit something that's pissing him off
bad polling
looking "weak"
being called a Coward (Lincoln Project strikes again!!!)
the #Babyfence thing
that Barr, not for lack of trying cant link Antifa to anything
that no one is cheering his pulling 9,500 troops from Germany, and Merkel isn't publicly crying or agreeing to his G7 demands
that large numbers of retired Generals are actively calling him a walking constitutional crisis.

[Paranoid Android]

Hey! We have voter fraud people.

A Florida attorney is seeking a probe of the voting record of former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin, charged in the death of #GeorgeFloyd while in police custody, alleging Chauvin voted illegally in Florida in 2016 and 2018. https://t.co/bkaOQdivvx

https://twitter.com/StarTribune/stat...435215360?s=19

Orange County, Fla., voting records list Chauvin as an active voter and affiliated with the Republican Party of Florida.

What!? Chauvin is a Republican! A shocker on two points. Committing voter fraud and well..

[solinari6]

They’re spraying small children in the face, pushing the elderly to the concrete, and kicking pregnant women. Nothing should shock you right now.

You missed "shot wheelchair bound homeless man in the face".
https://www.dailymercury.com.au/news...-face/4031281/

[D Luniz]

Apparently the jobs numbers were a lie and the real unemployment rate was around 16% for May. Someone thought misclassifying furloughed workers would go unnoticed. Well, the BLS noticed.

well that didn't take long

and Lincoln Project dropped another ad today

No, I don’t take responsibility at all.

[Justank]

Some schools are pushing off in-person classes yet further, if they feel they're in this position.

Meanwhile there's a school bus outside my door every morning for...some reason.

Some places are using the buses to bring lunches to students from low income families.

[Twdft]

Yeah, that was horrific. There are so many scenes like this it’s hard to list them all.

I think how police treat protesters is a systemic failure as well. Your police are only trained to deal with criminals, fast to get their weapons out, seeing threats in every encounter. And so they treat everyone they encounter as a threat, even American citizens expressing their opninion peacefully. They don't have the tools to serve and protect.

[Breccia]

This is like...playing games on an Xbox One. And then claiming you actually weren't playing games, because it's not a Playstation 4.

Indeed. At least the Park Police have admitted this.

Title: Coronavirus stimulus: Surprise jobs report adds doubt to second round

This is the real danger. Nearly 1 in 5 people have suffered economic hardship as a result of the lethal outbreak. I think we have some data on that...

It’s one person coming in from China. We have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.

McConnell's "No to Everything" could get a second wind due to this -- he can point to the report and say "things are getting better, we don't need to help the American people anymore" and crawl back under his basking light. Now, this is a risky play, but I see why he's going for it. Generally speaking, the rich are less at risk here. The people in trouble were generally poor and therefore generally Democrat. The good news for the people who need help the most, would be if large companies suddenly find themselves in trouble -- outbreaks at factories, for example, in the second wave. McConnell still can't give them any more money without matching funds for taxpayers. And this will cost the Republican Party votes, but not a ton of them, since poor people in the US are disproportionately -- and this word is losing meaning by the day -- "minorities".

Trump and the GOP are going to try to run in 2020 under the banner "See? It's getting better" but it can't be forgotten that the economy is objectively worse than 2016. That job report, "whoopsie typo 3%" or not, puts unemployment nearly 10% higher than the end of 2019. The GDP is going to be negative again, to the point that even a recovery Q3 won't pull 2020 out of the hole. Trump won't use the banner that literally says "I'll fix the problems I personally caused" but it may as well.

[Odinfrost]

So... Youtube is starting to recommend this 6 year old video which has some eerily similarities with what is happening right now. While it doesn't include Trump, it does include cameos from his all-star cast with Rudy Giuliani and Sean Hannity:
Watching this made me remember. The protests back there were relatively pretty peaceful. So after 6 years and nothing having changed, I can kinda see why people thought burning down a police station might be the proper way to show their anger and dissatisfaction with how they are being treated.

[Toppy]

I think how police treat protesters is a systemic failure as well. Your police are only trained to deal with criminals, fast to get their weapons out, seeing threats in every encounter. And so they treat everyone they encounter as a threat, even American citizens expressing their opninion peacefully. They don't have the tools to serve and protect.

Haha, "Trained".

[Edge-]

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/06...-george-floyd/

Welp, the Republican Party, at least in Texas, sure seems to be the party of conspiracy theorists. Likely in no small part helped by Trump and his frequent promotion of conspiracy theories.

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https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/...72845525364738

“Top Pentagon officials ordered National Guard helicopters to use what they called ‘ persistent presence’ to disperse protests in the capital this week.”

Cool, so the Pentagon ordered the National Guard to violate the Geneva Convention. Where did the orders originate from, who gave them, and who carried them out, so that they can all be investigated and prosecuted?

[Benggaul]

Barr uses the Bart Simpson "I didn't do it" defense.

Barr says he didn’t give tactical order to clear protesters

Gosh, it seems like nobody actually gave the order and the police/troops just acted on their own in unison then, eh?