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    Quote Originally Posted by Paranoid Android View Post
    The ramp was wet on a sunny and I take it hot summer day in New York? Plus why would USSS or his team have a wet ramp? Maybe it was the water he spilled while trying to take a drink of water.
    Slippery slope fallacy.
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    Quit using other posters as levels of crazy. That is not ok


    If you look, you can see the straw man walking a red herring up a slippery slope coming to join this conversation.

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    Michael Moore: I‘m ‘Begging‘ Dems -- Don‘t Underestimate White Male Trump Supporter‘s ‘Rage,‘ ‘Emotion‘ https://t.co/IktLtIZNgZ via @BreitbartNews Well, he got it right in 2016?
    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...753110018?s=19

    Umm the Orange Moron is agreeing with Moore that he excited the angry, white male base.

    More crazy it is a Breitbart piece.
    "Buh dah DEMS"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nellise View Post
    That's not what you asked. You asked if anybody else has trouble on these same ramps
    No. I said that ramp. That one specific ramp Trump tweeted about.

    Trump said it was too steep. Trump said it was slippery. Trump made excuses that, somehow, weren't "Trump is old and sick". I asked for someone to back it up, in this situation. You, however, have chosen to back up my point -- Trump is old and sick. And that's cool, including that it's yet more evidence Trump lies about everything -- including his inability to walk a short distance on a ramp.

    Even if your grandparents had been on that exact ramp, it wouldn't have helped. Trump is trying to deny that he's sick, injured, old and/or feeble. He needs evidence to back that, considering (again) I don't believe any other human being on that ramp had problems -- and that includes Trump going uphill.

    By the way, you seem to think that I believe this is some kind of gotcha. You're right. It is. Trump limped down a ramp and maybe even nearly tripped or lost his balance. That, alone, means nothing. As you pointed out, injured, old, feeble and/or sick people have problems like that -- that ramp is illegal, after all. Would have been a nothing story. Except Trump lied about it. Remember, this is a man who lied about whether or not it was raining to the people it was raining on. it was, literally, the first thing he did after being inaugurated. Maybe second, after lying about his crowd size. And he basically did it again, yesterday.

    Trump lying might not be rare, Trump blatantly lying about objectively observable facts might not even be rare, but I'm still going to call it out when I see it. Perhaps your issue is with Trump, who lies all the time about everything? If he hadn't tweeted, if he hadn't lied, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

    The fact that it's about his health -- a campaign issue, because he made it so, because he made up stories about Clinton being sick or injured, and an important issue because he's the man in charge -- just means it's even more important that he's lying about it. Basically, you compared his health to your barely-mobile grandparents. That should concern you. That should concern everyone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Twdft View Post
    I go to football since about 20 years, in the stands and with being there early talking with my friends, drinking some beer, all of the game and some more chatting afterwards I stand around about 5 hours. I am not nearly 70 years and still walking down the stairs I notice all that standing around. I really like my half hour walk to a train station that's not nearest to the stadium to get my legs and back back to normal.
    And when you got home, did you say "Man, those steps were steep and slippery! It wasn't the fact that I was standing for five hours, no sir!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Paranoid Android View Post
    The ramp was wet on a sunny and I take it hot summer day in New York? .
    It was actually quite cool. Like, it was under sixty in the shade Trump was standing, sitting, and leaning on the podium in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nellise View Post
    11° may not seem like much, but ADA wheelchair ramps are only supposed to be a maximum of 8°, so it is actually fairly steep.
    11 degrees is not steep at all. The 8 degrees for ADA requirements is even less and you barely notice it if walking in it. This is just Trump is old and it shows, but has to come to defend it with some BS excuse because, god forbid he admit something that is obvious to everyone, like is shitty spary tan, his god awful combover, and his dentures.

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    The 8 degree thing is so wheelchairs can easily go up them without struggle. You need much more force to wheel yourself up a ramp than it takes to walk up a ramp (assuming you can walk). 11 degrees should not be a struggle for any ambulatory person.


    That being said, I wish the Twittersphere would stop GIVING A SHIT about stupid things like this. If it's related to an actual medical condition that he's keeping secret, and relates to the Walter Reed visit last year.......then hound reporters to look into it til it's uncovered. Lying about a medical condition isn't illegal, but it can be politically damaging. Let's not have a Twitter circle jerk about how feeble the dude is. We know that. Let's talk about how he ended anti-discrimination protections this past week NOT ONLY for trans people, but struck "sexual orientation" from the rule as well, so gay people aren't covered by it either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    The 8 degree thing is so wheelchairs can easily go up them without struggle. You need much more force to wheel yourself up a ramp than it takes to walk up a ramp (assuming you can walk). 11 degrees should not be a struggle for any ambulatory person.


    That being said, I wish the Twittersphere would stop GIVING A SHIT about stupid things like this. If it's related to an actual medical condition that he's keeping secret, and relates to the Walter Reed visit last year.......then hound reporters to look into it til it's uncovered. Lying about a medical condition isn't illegal, but it can be politically damaging. Let's not have a Twitter circle jerk about how feeble the dude is. We know that. Let's talk about how he ended anti-discrimination protections this past week NOT ONLY for trans people, but struck "sexual orientation" from the rule as well, so gay people aren't covered by it either.
    I mean, many people have brought up the video being further possible proof of medical conditions, both mental and physical that he and the rest of the white house are hiding from everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dead Moose Fandango View Post
    I mean, many people have brought up the video being further possible proof of medical conditions, both mental and physical that he and the rest of the white house are hiding from everyone.
    And a lot of people are only bringing it up be he himself brought it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    The 8 degree thing is so wheelchairs can easily go up them without struggle
    Oh, and just so we're clear, in NYState at least, it's even more shallow for H-ranked buildings (which are medical buildings). 8:1 drops to 12:1.

    On topic:

    1) Kudlow went on CNN of all places to say you should probably wear a mask at Trump's rally. While he is backed by many health experts I...don't see that happening. Hopefully they're screened and the results are used correctly, or Trump's older, poorer, no-health-insurance voters will just flat-out die.

    1a) Kudlow also said naming PPP loan recipients was never part of the deal. "It's just taxpayer money," he didn't say but I'm pretending he did, "why would the most transparent administration ever reveal who was directly handed money by Trump and his close personal co-conspirators?" Kudlow handwaves the fact that the SBA and previous PPP programs in the past do, in fact, release the names of the recipients.

    2) Putin trolls the US by how well they're handing COVID-19 and we're not. Then he ruins it by basically saying "I see the US is having protests too. Nobody would ever protest Russia. Nope. They have too many other things to worry about, like food poisoning and open windows."

    3) Yet another high-ranking military member, W's DefSec Gates, came out against Trump's use of military force on unarmed civilians. Also, "at least he hasn’t started any new wars" is the single weakest statement of support anyone has ever given anyone.

    4) Trump's token black friend Ben Carson says maybe Trump shouldn't be comparing Trump to Lincoln. He also tried to "What He Meant Was" Trump's "dominate the streets" line.

    5) The headline "Texas Sets a New Record for Coronavirus Hospitalizations" says enough by itself. But let's not forget Florida, Alabama and South Carolina.

    6) Police were breaking up a COVID party -- yeah, people are still doing those -- in Baltimore when someone showed up and shot a cop. Details are still sketchy, but the Baltimore police had this to say:

    The decision to pull the trigger is not made when the trigger is pulled, it’s made when a person walks out of the door with a gun, so it is about the illegal carrying of guns and the willingness to use those guns, even against law enforcement.So it has to be about those violent offenders, who we are working very hard to get off the street and keep off of the streets of Baltimore.
    Expect Trump and the 2A people to take offense to being called murderers, just because they shoot people in the torso.

    6a) The shooting was on Winchester Street. You can't make this up.
    6b) The cop is out of surgery and recovering.

    7) Trump threatens to stop watching NFL games if players kneel. Yes, this was worthy of his time. This followed a tweet by Gaetz:

    I’d rather the US not have a soccer team than have a soccer team that won’t stand for the National Anthem. You shouldn’t get to play under our flag as our national team if you won’t stand when it is raised.
    Which party was defending the Constitution, again?

    8) And the head of the Tulsa Health Dept said "I think it’s an honor for Tulsa to have a sitting president want to come and visit our community, but not during a pandemic. I’m concerned about our ability to protect anyone who attends a large, indoor event, and I’m also concerned about our ability to ensure the president stays safe as well. COVID is here in Tulsa, it is transmitting very efficiently,” Dart added. “I wish we could postpone this to a time when the virus isn’t as large a concern as it is today."

    When the county's leading doctor says "I can't promise we can keep Trump safely healthy" and they do it anyway...well, I guess that's just Trump signing the waiver?

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    Politicians have hid medical conditions for time immemorial. Reagan, by all accounts, had dementia for the last half of his second term, a fact that they still deny to this day.

    FDR knew he had polio and wouldn't discuss it when running for President.


    There's a whole arc in The West Wing about this, where the President has MS but didn't tell anyone because he wanted to be President and it didn't affect him mentally or his ability to make decisions so he justified keeping it secret.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    Politicians have hid medical conditions for time immemorial.
    I'm sure that's true.

    How many of them said they were the healthiest man to ever run, and also, accused their opponents of having dementia or strokes, while doing so? Asking for a morbidly obese man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    I'm sure that's true.

    How many of them said they were the healthiest man to ever run, and also, accused their opponents of having dementia or strokes, while doing so? Asking for a morbidly obese man.
    Man, if we had to make a list of the evil, stupid shit he's done, him calling Hillary low energy or calling out Biden's gaffes wouldn't even be on the top 1000. That's why I don't give a shit about it. It just takes up air.

    For example, if you've watched the news this past week, you'd have no idea protests were still going on, massively, around the country. Now that they're all peaceful (except for the flare up in Atlanta which was caused by another unjustified cop shooting of an unarmed black man), it gets no coverage. Except, of course, when a Wendy's burns in the previously mentioned Atlanta flare up. Instead, they're like, "Oh man, is Trump sick? Why can't he hold a glass up with one hand?!?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    7) Trump threatens to stop watching NFL games if players kneel. Yes, this was worthy of his time. This followed a tweet by Gaetz:
    People protest peacefully and idiots go "no, not like that", while at the same time condemning protests that get violent. They are not even inconveniencing anyone by kneeling, like blocking traffic.
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    And again, let’s presume equity in schools is achievable. Then why should a parent read to a child?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    Man, if we had to make a list of the evil, stupid shit he's done, him calling Hillary low energy or calling out Biden's gaffes wouldn't even be on the top 1000. That's why I don't give a shit about it. It just takes up air.

    For example, if you've watched the news this past week, you'd have no idea protests were still going on, massively, around the country. Now that they're all peaceful (except for the flare up in Atlanta which was caused by another unjustified cop shooting of an unarmed black man), it gets no coverage. Except, of course, when a Wendy's burns in the previously mentioned Atlanta flare up. Instead, they're like, "Oh man, is Trump sick? Why can't he hold a glass up with one hand?!?"
    Remember he and Fox News and other right wingers pushed the "something wrong with Hillary" very hard when she stumbled. Yeah, it's dirty politics if you want to play that, but when could be an actually serious medical condition, the public should know. Now, yes this probably never happen unless it is so blatant out in public. I'm still waiting for the narrative the next few years down the line how Trump fought so courageously while ill in office. Actually I thought that was his ticket out to resign, yet he is such a narcissist, he can't do that.

    As above I linked the article and yes it is all over social media. Part of it is tongue in cheek and other is serious. The best part about is Trump can't handle it, like any egomaniac. The best part was he responded on Twitter with some lame excuse. Better yet, is all the video of Obama running up the ramp (yes he was running up, not down) to troll Trump more.
    "Buh dah DEMS"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paranoid Android View Post
    Remember he and Fox News and other right wingers pushed the "something wrong with Hillary" very hard when she stumbled. Yeah, it's dirty politics if you want to play that, but when could be an actually serious medical condition, the public should know. Now, yes this probably never happen unless it is so blatant out in public. I'm still waiting for the narrative the next few years down the line how Trump fought so courageously while ill in office. Actually I thought that was his ticket out to resign, yet he is such a narcissist, he can't do that.
    That's where I saw a potential resignation path - a medical condition, fought bravely, blah blah blah. It would require him to show weakness and contrition, however, so ultimately I don't see it happening.

    However, if he's facing jail time, as in front and center at a sentencing hearing, then it will come up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    That's where I saw a potential resignation path - a medical condition, fought bravely, blah blah blah. It would require him to show weakness and contrition, however, so ultimately I don't see it happening.

    However, if he's facing jail time, as in front and center at a sentencing hearing, then it will come up.
    I can imagine Trump showing up to his hearing using a walker, just like Harvey Weinstein did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    The issue here is Reagan and Trump hiding conditions that impair their cognitive capacity.
    They were/are not hiding it very well. Reagan is obvious suffering from some form of dementia late into his first term, Trump could just be an idiot that cannot read well ontop of being old and fat. Obviously getting ollder slows you down, but Trump reading something has always been a slow boring mess. When he goes off script he picks up his pace a lot because he turns into angry old man and gets energized.

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    I legitimately don't care about Trump's ramp issues...

    It's a distraction and is actually pretty mean spirited. Older people have mobility issues. We're stooping to his level by making it a big deal regardless of how stupid his tweet was.

    Concentrate on the fact he just ripped away protections for the LGBT community, 117k+ dead people from covid and multitude of other shit he's done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaelleria View Post
    I legitimately don't care about Trump's ramp issues...

    It's a distraction and is actually pretty mean spirited. Older people have mobility issues. We're stooping to his level by making it a big deal regardless of how stupid his tweet was.

    Concentrate on the fact he just ripped away protections for the LGBT community, 117k+ dead people from covid and multitude of other shit he's done.
    I think there is a distinct line to be drawn regarding Trump's "ramp" issue. The fact that he lied about it, while others don't, is especially important. Combine that with the glass issue and we're seeing legitimate signs of physical ailment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    Politicians have hid medical conditions for time immemorial. Reagan, by all accounts, had dementia for the last half of his second term, a fact that they still deny to this day.

    FDR knew he had polio and wouldn't discuss it when running for President.


    There's a whole arc in The West Wing about this, where the President has MS but didn't tell anyone because he wanted to be President and it didn't affect him mentally or his ability to make decisions so he justified keeping it secret.
    I mean Edith Wilson was basically President for a year and a half after Woodrow's stroke

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    I think there is a distinct line to be drawn regarding Trump's "ramp" issue. The fact that he lied about it, while others don't, is especially important. Combine that with the glass issue and we're seeing legitimate signs of physical ailment.
    I prefer to point to him not remembering events that take place just weeks before, to be better than the ramp and glass issue, in both showing his fuck ups and being so senile he doesn’t remember them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrimsonKing View Post
    I can imagine Trump showing up to his hearing using a walker, just like Harvey Weinstein did.
    I prefer to say he will have a pace maker and then act like his microphone box, is 100% proof that Trump lives in an iron lung. As Trump supporters did with Hillary...

    Edit: Two posts back to back, starting with “I prefer”... disgusting... I’m not changing it, but sympathize with everyone who finds it super annoying. Sorry...
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