Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Breccia]

Trump 'furious' about 'underwhelming' crowd at Tulsa rally

President Donald Trump is "furious" at the "underwhelming" crowd at his rally in Tulsa, Oklahoma, on Saturday evening, a major disappointment for what had been expected to be a raucous return to the campaign trail after three months off because of the coronavirus pandemic, according to multiple people close to the White House.

The president was fuming at his top political aides Saturday even before the rally began after his campaign revealed that six members of the advance team on the ground in Tulsa had tested positive for COVID-19, including Secret Service personnel, a person familiar with the discussions said.

Trump asked those around him why the information was exposed and expressed annoyance that the coverage ahead of his mega-rally was dominated by the revelation.

Hmm. I've never been to a rally as big as a million nineteen thousand almost 6200 people, but I'm looking at these pictures and seeing packed crowds of maskless people. As you can see from the article I posted on the subject myself, the test results of those six staffers wasn't released until that very day. I'm having a really hard time believing that people would go all the way to that rally, get into packed crowds of maskless people while cheering Trump, then when they're told six staffers tested positive but were quarantined before meeting attendees, that's when they said "Nope!" and vanished. It'd be akin to getting to Phase 3 of Heroic N'Zoth and suddenly the MT says "Whoa whoa WHOA! Nobody said anything about killing an Old God! I'm out!" and Alt-F4's on you.

The campaign was so confident about a high turnout that it set up an overflow area, which it had expected to attract thousands. But the plan was scrapped at the last minute when only dozens gathered at the time the vice president and the president were set to address the crowd inside.

"It's politics 101: You under-promise and overdeliver," a Trump ally said, conceding the missteps the Trump 2020 team took in the lead-up to the event by saying nearly 1 million people had responded to requests for admission.

Much of the blame is falling on campaign manager Brad Parscale, who in the days leading up the event aggressively touted the number of registrations, but those close to him stress that his job is safe, for now.

Last month, after dismal polling revealed that the president is trailing the presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden, in key battleground states that Trump won in 2016, Parscale was reprimanded and a deputy was brought in to help steer the ship.

"This was a major failure," one outside adviser said.

Soon to be promoted to "General Failure" bah dum tish.

Now, am I willing to believe (as the article says) that it could have been the heat, the risk of thunderstorms, concern about protests (not actual protests, we've all seen the pictures, the video, and the name of the one peaceful protestor with a ticket Trump ordered arrested) may have cut down on attendance, especially the overflow. I mean, I love me some Imagine Dragons, but if I'm 50-people deep in the standby section and I hear thunder rolling, I'm just mashing that playlist on the iPod on the drive home within sixty seconds. But I am not willing to concede that cut it from one million to almost 6,200. Not considering the pictures we saw from 6 to 8 of empty streets and empty seats. This was Trump's official (he said so) re-election kickoff...somehow different from the ones he did in 2017 but whatever. This was his hoedown, his shindig, his hoop-di-doo. And he was left standing there without a dance partner.

Oh, and in the same article, NBC News shows a man, normally beaming that squished crooked smile, holding his arms aloft, basking in the chant of LOCK HER UP! and they got this:



That is not the face of a man happy to see you. That is the face of a man who's been told the burgers don't hit the grill until after the speech.

Heat? Check. Thunderstorms? Check. Panicked at the through of non-violent protestors? Check. Tired of winning? Checked nine-hundred ninety-three thousand, eight hundred times.

[Thepersona]

Save your graphs for november, that way at least you'll have something to wipe your ass on when local loonies raid your Target shop for all the toilet paper .

Can you answert his question, though?

[Breccia]

Ladies and gentlemen, the words of Donald Trump.

Asked why he hadn't yet enacted sanctions against Chinese Communist Party officials or entities tied to the camps where the Chinese government detains Uighurs and other Muslim minorities, Trump replied, "Well, we were in the middle of a major trade deal."

"And I made a great deal, $250 billion potentially worth of purchases. And by the way, they're buying a lot, you probably have seen."
Trump continued: "And when you're in the middle of a negotiation and then all of a sudden you start throwing additional sanctions on — we've done a lot. I put tariffs on China, which are far worse than any sanction you can think of."

Also in the interview, Trump says he doesn't know about the Global Magnitsky Act -- passed in 2016, yes Trump was running at the time -- and hasn't studied it because nobody has mentioned it. If you don't know what it is, that's okay, you're not in charge of putting sanctions against countries with civil rights violations. Trump is.

Trump also refutes Bolton's claim that he asked China for help getting re-elected, but um, he did it this way:

And remember, when I'm dealing with him, the whole room is loaded up with people. We're in a large room with many people in that room. I wouldn't want to say a thing like that. I don't even know if that would be wrong because, you know, but why would I say a thing like that? And I certainly wouldn't say it anyway, but I certainly wouldn't say it in a room full of people.

Where have we heard "I didn't do it, but it wouldn't have been wrong if I did" before?

[The Emperor]

Can you answert his question, though?

Nah, I think that would be a waste of my time. Much like debunking Hillary's win projections a couple of years back.

Is that sentence even supposed to make sense?

I mean, if all you're left with are lame insults, and you can't even make that work for you...

It's still more than your makebelieve fairytales.

[Thepersona]

Nah, I think that would be a waste of my time. Much like debunking Hillary's win projections a couple of years back.

Ok, lets see what happened in the last election (the mid-terms):

The GOP got trounced, hard. And they've been bleeding numbers ever since.

[fwc577]

Hmm. I've never been to a rally as big as a million nineteen thousand almost 6200 people, but I'm looking at these pictures and seeing packed crowds of maskless people. As you can see from the article I posted on the subject myself, the test results of those six staffers wasn't released until that very day. I'm having a really hard time believing that people would go all the way to that rally, get into packed crowds of maskless people while cheering Trump, then when they're told six staffers tested positive but were quarantined before meeting attendees, that's when they said "Nope!" and vanished. It'd be akin to getting to Phase 3 of Heroic N'Zoth and suddenly the MT says "Whoa whoa WHOA! Nobody said anything about killing an Old God! I'm out!" and Alt-F4's on you.

Bad analogy. I've literally done this with a group who I knew was not going to be able to kill N'zoth.

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Ok, lets see what happened in the last election (the mid-terms):

The GOP got trounced, hard. And they've been bleeding numbers ever since.

This is what gets me. Absolute trouncing in the mid terms and they've literally made the country worse in almost every way since then. What have they done in order to get support to at least match the mid-terms?

[PhaelixWW]

It's still more than your makebelieve fairytales.

What makebelieve fairytales would those be?

[Breccia]

Bad analogy. I've literally done this with a group who I knew was not going to be able to kill N'zoth.

I think you might have missed the reason being the important part of the analogy. Or, did you actually develop a sudden moral aversion to deocide instead of, you know, saying "the loot isn't worth it"?

[Edge-]

One thing worth noting:

The Trump campaign did cut off tickets at any point.

Despite all the zoomers and kpop stans reserving tickets, there was no "shortage" preventing Trump supporters from going. And their actions weren't known about until AFTER the rally began.

Trump just couldn't bring more than 6K people to an event. He can't even excite his own base enough to get them to risk their health to show up and clap for him as he drinks a glass of water.

[Breccia]

Trump attempts to block another book through legal tactics, yes his niece this time.

And...just, wow.

In his first public comments on the matter, President Trump told Axios that his niece, Mary Trump, is "not allowed" to write her forthcoming book about him because doing so would violate a nondisclosure agreement she signed.

Driving the news: "She's not allowed to write a book," Trump told me. "You know, when we settled with her and her brother, who I do have a good relationship with — she's got a brother, Fred, who I do have a good relationship with, but when we settled, she has a total ... signed a nondisclosure."

Trump said his niece's nondisclosure agreement with him was a "very powerful one. ... It covers everything."

Trump's comments to Axios confirm a Daily Beast story from last week, which broke the news of the NDA.

"Mary Trump signed an NDA following a 2001 settlement after litigation disputing Fred Trump’s estate, according to people familiar with the matter. That NDA states she is not allowed to publish anything regarding the litigation or her relationship with Donald, Maryanne, and Robert."

How bad of a person do you have to be, to force your own family to sign a NDA that prevents them from saying anything? Wait, don't only guilty people plead the Fifth? Because this sounds like Trump is pleading the Fifth.

[pathora44]

Trump attempts to block another book through legal tactics, yes his niece this time.

And...just, wow.



How bad of a person do you have to be, to force your own family to sign a NDA that prevents them from saying anything? Wait, don't only guilty people plead the Fifth? Because this sounds like Trump is pleading the Fifth.

You say that and then you remember the Cheetos dusted shit stain of a person you are talking about and it all makes sense.

[Breccia]

Trump 'furious' about 'underwhelming' crowd at Tulsa rally

UPDATE: So are Kushner and Ivanka.

Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner are "pissed" at campaign manager Brad Parscale over his predictions of a much larger crowd than the one that turned out at the Tulsa rally Saturday night, according to a Trump campaign source.

"Jared and Ivanka are pissed at Brad over promising on crowd size," the source said.

A separate campaign source said Trump also "has every right to be pissed" over the turnout in Tulsa.

"They gave adversaries and media a gift. It was overconfidence," the source said of Parscale and other campaign staffers close to the planning of the event.

Campaign officials should rethink the idea of holding rallies inside arenas and begin contemplating more open-air venues like aircraft hangars, the source continued.

Parscale was already under pressure inside the Trump campaign, the adviser said, as the President has occasionally expressed disappointment in his performance over the last several weeks.

Parscale is facing a "decline of confidence," from Trump's inner circle, the adviser added.

"Kellyanne (Conway), (Paul) Manafort and Corey (Lewandowski) never had rally size issues," the adviser said of Trump's former campaign managers.

So, should we start a pool?

Ivanka and Kushner deny it, of course, but Trump probably made them sign and NDA like he did with other family members.

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You say that and then you remember the Cheetos dusted shit stain of a person you are talking about and it all makes sense.

Exactly. By the way, I don't think this new book has any classified intel. It's due out July 28th, that's time enough to block it, but due out next month = the book is done barring typofixes and font adjustments, basically.

[pathora44]

UPDATE: So are Kushner and Ivanka.



So, should we start a pool?

Ivanka and Kushner deny it, of course, but Trump probably made them sign and NDA like he did with other family members.

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Exactly. By the way, I don't think this new book has any classified intel. It's due out July 28th, that's time enough to block it, but due out next month = the book is done barring typofixes and font adjustments, basically.

I get images in my head of Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland with Trump as the Queen of Hearts with tiny baby hands instead of a tiny body screaming "OFF WITH HIS HEAD!" and the guards come in to drag away Brad Parscale pleading with him.

[Breccia]

This one article has two points of interest. I mean, it has more, I'm quoting two.

One:

On the same day of the rally, Tulsa County reported it's highest one-day increase in coronavirus cases so far, with 136 new positive cases.

Two:

[Benggaul]

I get images in my head of Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland with Trump as the Queen of Hearts with tiny baby hands instead of a tiny body screaming "OFF WITH HIS HEAD!" and the guards come in to drag away Brad Parscale pleading with him.

...Sounds like you're getting less sleep than *I* am.

Quick COVID-19 update: Even though today is a "lull" day in terms of reporting Florida has still reported about 3.5k cases, which is more than the highest they had on ANY day up until a couple days ago. The corrections won't come through until Tuesday, but I think coupled with the second "lull" day tomorrow it's probable they could crack 5k.

It's been a bad pain day, so I haven't done as much research, but cursory glances shows the same states as before still posting 1k+ today through the typically low-report day. We might see death counts spike up above 1k again by the end of next week if things get bad enough.

Stay safe, folks.

[pathora44]

This one article has two points of interest. I mean, it has more, I'm quoting two.

One:



Two:

Trump loves this famous quote by John F Kennedy "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what risks you will take for you and your family in order to feed my ego." Everyone thinks the quote ends with "but what you can do for your country" but that is purely the Mandela effect and only Trump is correctly saying the quote.

[Easo]

Save your graphs for november, that way at least you'll have something to wipe your ass on when local loonies raid your Target shop for all the toilet paper .

What do you even mean? Because clearly, the toilet paper was hoarded by loonies from all political camps. As we know, stupidity is universal.

[Breccia]

We might see death counts spike up above 1k again by the end of next week if things get bad enough.

While it does seem like Florida and Texas are breaking more records than a DJ during an earthquake, so far I'm heartened that the massive increase in cases y'all getting aren't leading to the same proportional increase in deaths yet. I'd like to assume that means hospitals are getting better at catching and treating the virus -- they've had plenty of practice, sadly.

A move back above 1,000 deaths on a day would be pretty significant proof that we're doing things wrong. At this point, I don't think we're going to point to spikes of deaths conveniently a set number of days after an event like Memorial Day, July 4, Trump's rally...bad example, nobody was there. Instead, the fact that the US as a whole is barely declining in deaths and cases, when compared to any first-world country in particular, is just a sign that people are choosing not to be safe.

The best thing you can do, is make sure you're not one of them.

[Benggaul]

While it does seem like Florida and Texas are breaking more records than a DJ during an earthquake, so far I'm heartened that the massive increase in cases y'all getting aren't leading to the same proportional increase in deaths yet. I'd like to assume that means hospitals are getting better at catching and treating the virus -- they've had plenty of practice, sadly.

The REAL increases have just started happening the past few days. It's been steadily increasing for about a month or so, but the past week the numbers have really shot up. I read last week that Arizona's hospitals were starting to get strained and mentioned earlier that I have no data on Florida hospitals...it's not out of the realm of possibility for them to be close to overwhelmed given their population if things get too bad.

I'm also hopeful that the medical community has figured out how to deal with this with fewer casualties, but that also means they can't be stretched past their limits.

[arandomuser]

i know jerry nadler is all " we cant impeach again because its not politically expedient"
but i cant help but think if a democrat had done this with a republican house he would be impeached and there would be 24/7 news coverage
and were just like " oh thats trump being trump"