Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Zan15]

LOL Trump once again loving his dictators and killers over his fellow country

https://www.foxnews.com/media/trump-...hest-deal-with

"They said to me ... friends of mine [asked], 'What's the toughest country to deal with? Who is it? Is it China? Is it Russia? Could it be North Korea?'" Trump said. "No, it's the United States of America. The toughest country to deal with, because we have Schumer and Pelosi and people that are bad people that I honestly believe don't love our country."


i guess putin and the little nut bag just love america to death!!!




Also you don't get more crazy than this...."his friend" which we know his just himself...

"One friend said to me, 'You have to be the most innocent man in the history of the United States.' I had 18 angry Democrat geniuses, all smart. Smart as hell. Mueller lost it, but they're all smart as hell," Trump said. "All these guys who were after me. They spent 45, 49, 55... million dollars over a period of two and a half years and they got nothing on me... [the] friend of mine said, 'You have to be the most perfect person.'"

[DarkTZeratul]

There will not be a ruling until after the election. Meaning Trump could kill countless people, even when he's out of office or even dead.

Unless Joe Biden reinstates the mandate, which would render the issue moot. But my expectation is that the Supreme Court will simply rule that this just makes it unconstitutional to set the penalty at $0 and restores the mandate themselves.

[Masark]

I don't really want to derail the thread further, but it's an important point.

They started giving it to me via IV the night I was rolled into the ER and the moment I was made aware of it--after surgery the following morning to stick a metal plate in me--I knew immediately that it was responsible for my nausea and demanded, politely, that they stop pumping that shit into me. It took a long time to convince them to just let me have the paracetamol instead and I spent the following two days in a pool of withdrawal sweat in that medical bed, but I am SO glad I am able to handle my pain without it.

American medicine has an unhealthy obsession with wizzbang new opioids. When my mother had her hips replaced, she was given morphine in the hospital and hydromorphone to go home.

[Zaydin]

American medicine has an unhealthy obsession with wizzbang new opioids. When my mother had her hips replaced, she was given morphine in the hospital and hydromorphone to go home.

Wouldn't be shocked if they are still getting a shit ton of money or gifts from pharmaceutical companies.

[ati87]

Unless Joe Biden reinstates the mandate, which would render the issue moot. But my expectation is that the Supreme Court will simply rule that this just makes it unconstitutional to set the penalty at $0 and restores the mandate themselves.

Actually a 0 dollars penalty is technically still a penalty except without monetary consequences.
I'm not that familiar with the technicalities of US law however in this kind of cases it's more about the line of thinking, making a penalty zero is an easy band-aid solution but technically not a fix. I can imagine that you still have systems in place that check the insurance status of a person just like before, except now you're fine is zero dollars instead of X dollars.

[DarkTZeratul]

Actually a 0 dollars penalty is technically still a penalty except without monetary consequences.
I'm not that familiar with the technicalities of US law however in this kind of cases it's more about the line of thinking, making a penalty zero is an easy band-aid solution but technically not a fix. I can imagine that you still have systems in place that check the insurance status of a person just like before, except now you're fine is zero dollars instead of X dollars.

I mean, sure, they may just rule against the lawsuit entirely. But if they do agree with the plaintiff's premise (tortured though it may be), the usual result is striking down only the part of the law that is unconstitutional rather than the entire thing. Which, in this case, would most likely mean ruling that it was unconstitutional to reduce the penalty to zero and requiring that it be restored to its previous value.

[Benggaul]

American medicine has an unhealthy obsession with wizzbang new opioids. When my mother had her hips replaced, she was given morphine in the hospital and hydromorphone to go home.

And now's the part where the music gets sinister and I remind folks I'm not currently living in America...

Dundundunnnnnnnn.

[Sorshen]

Trump administration calls for Supreme Court to strike down ObamaCare

What the fuck

[zorkuus]

What the fuck

That sums up this whole circus regime nicely.

[Benggaul]

40k in one day, though.... yikes. And deaths lag a fair bit, so that could be another bump you've got coming soon.

Yeah, I'm expecting next week to be...depressing. More so than usual.

[Ripster42]

40k in one day, though.... yikes. And deaths lag a fair bit, so that could be another bump you've got coming soon.

While true, treatments for severely ill people have gotten better. Mortality rate is going down (as long as the hospitals aren't overwhelmed). It might take a deal more than 40k/day to have new highs for deaths if that's all you're worried about. Frankly, the # of infections should already have you at the point of despair. A good portion of those people are going to have lifelong disabilities even if they don't die.

Imagine you're a sociopath and don't care about people. You should still care about the costs those people will inflict on our society. The US is going to be paying disability (or, if you're against disability, care about the lost productivity/taxes) to those people instead of putting money towards anything else, which, of course, has knock-on effects. It's amazing this seemingly isn't considered a massive national security concern.

[zorkuus]

Asked what his top priorities for a second term are, Trump can't name a single thing

Holy moly... this is both a good thing and a bad thing. It might hurt his chances for re-election but on the other hand there's still tens of millions of morons who would vote for him despite this.

[Thekri]

Instead of embracing police reform Trump makes a case for Giuliani's stop-and-frisk policies

"He's gonna be your president because some people don't love me, maybe" -- Trump sure sounds resigned to losing to Joe Biden

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Asked what his top priorities for a second term are, Trump can't name a single thing

Just some highlights.

I don't know if Trump was just off his meds and sad or what, but I am increasingly wondering if Trump is just really tired of being President. He seems to be having a massive mental breakdown this year, as it finally dawns on him that everyone is holding him responsible.

Trump is a sad desperate man that wants to be loved, and he isn't feeling the love at all right now. He is getting non-stop bombarded by people that hate him, but in the past he was fueled by his rallies and supporters that did love him. I am not sure if Trump wanted his first term or not, but it is increasingly looking like he doesn't want a second.

As I said on here, the Mattis letter filled me with a huge burst of confidence we would have a peaceful (but so very petty) transfer of power. This makes me even more confident of it. I did not expect Trump to openly discuss losing, but I kind of think he wants it. He will spin in at cheated and not his fault of course, but I am not sure he is actually aware of the consequences of not being President. I had been assuming that Trump knew he couldn't leave office without getting hounded by legal action the rest of his life, but there is also the possibility that he is so self deluded he really believes he has done nothing wrong, and that he can go back to the way it was before, only with more fame and money.

[Felya]

Nearly half a million people flocked to Obamacare after losing coverage this year
Meanwhile in the Hall of Doom.

Trump administration calls for Supreme Court to strike down ObamaCare

This should cost him... it’s Teflon Don... but, it should... cutting healthcare, without a replacement, I would say is the worst thing you can do about a pandemic. But, since this is the same man still claiming it’s a hoax, by calling it manufactured on Hannity just yesterday. Spending millions on an unproven drug, that risked lives of those with Lupus. As well as the whole injecting disinfectant issue... I would say it’s the worst, but I know Trump can top that next week.

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I don't know if Trump was just off his meds and sad or what, but I am increasingly wondering if Trump is just really tired of being President. He seems to be having a massive mental breakdown this year, as it finally dawns on him that everyone is holding him responsible.

Trump is a sad desperate man that wants to be loved, and he isn't feeling the love at all right now. He is getting non-stop bombarded by people that hate him, but in the past he was fueled by his rallies and supporters that did love him. I am not sure if Trump wanted his first term or not, but it is increasingly looking like he doesn't want a second.

As I said on here, the Mattis letter filled me with a huge burst of confidence we would have a peaceful (but so very petty) transfer of power. This makes me even more confident of it. I did not expect Trump to openly discuss losing, but I kind of think he wants it. He will spin in at cheated and not his fault of course, but I am not sure he is actually aware of the consequences of not being President. I had been assuming that Trump knew he couldn't leave office without getting hounded by legal action the rest of his life, but there is also the possibility that he is so self deluded he really believes he has done nothing wrong, and that he can go back to the way it was before, only with more fame and money.

When Trump is out of office, all of his international calls will become declassified. Judging by the 3 calls we got information about... I think he may be in trouble as a business, since he won’t have the political arm for defense.

[Ripster42]

When Trump is out of office, all of his international calls will become declassified. Judging by the 3 calls we got information about... I think he may be in trouble as a business, since he won’t have the political arm for defense.

There's no chance trump wants to lose. Winning means he delays for 4 years the beginning of the time when he spends the rest of his life in court or jail. Barring some reagan->ford->pardon deal. Even then, he's facing state charges.

[Thekri]

There's no chance trump wants to lose. Winning means he delays for 4 years the beginning of the time when he spends the rest of his life in court or jail. Barring some reagan->ford->pardon deal. Even then, he's facing state charges.

I agree, and that is the assumption I have been going on. However, in light of recent developments, it is entirely possible he is not self aware enough to realize that. This is a man that has lived without consequences his entire life. He legitimately does not grasp the concept of accountability. I am not sure if he even mentally acknowledges he has done anything wrong, he might truely believe he is just being "targeted" because people don't like him, and that if he isn't president anymore people will leave him alone. His advisors will tell him otherwise, but Trump is not good at hearing things he doesn't want to hear.

This is just a theory of course, but Trump is not a strong man, physically, mentally, or emotionally. Tulsa took the winds out of his sails in a big way. He is wallowing in self-pity right now, and Trump has always quit when he stops winning. If he gets an ego boost before November, this could all change, he isn't exactly stable in his "plans"

[Felya]

There's no chance trump wants to lose. Winning means he delays for 4 years the beginning of the time when he spends the rest of his life in court or jail. Barring some reagan->ford->pardon deal. Even then, he's facing state charges.

I don’t think Biden would pardon Trump...

[Ripster42]

I don’t think Biden would pardon Trump...

Trump can always resign to pence on jan. 19. Pence would be ford in this situation.

[kaelleria]

Trump can always resign to pence on jan. 19. Pence would be ford in this situation.

You can't pardon state crimes.

[Felya]

Trump can always resign to pence on jan. 19. Pence would be ford in this situation.

Actually, I take it back... Biden might do the same thing Obama did with Bush. No investigations or charges, in the name of uniting the country and not exposing our dirty laundry to the world.