Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Benggaul]

So, Trump is sending unidentified federal troops to disappear protesters and somehow Rand Paul is a voice of reason?!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...rtan-ntp-feeds

"We cannot give up liberty for security. Local law enforcement can and should be handling these situations in our cities but there is no place for federal troops or unidentified federal agents rounding people up at will,"

Someone stole an infinity stone or something because reality keeps changing.

[Edge-]

So, Trump is sending unidentified federal troops to disappear protesters and somehow Rand Paul is a voice of reason?!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...rtan-ntp-feeds



Someone stole an infinity stone or something because reality keeps changing.

He occasionally remembers that he cosplays as a libertarian and has to do something to keep up the act.

[zorkuus]

So, Trump is sending unidentified federal troops to disappear protesters and somehow Rand Paul is a voice of reason?!

Someone reminded him he's a wannabe libertarian. Don't worry, he'll forget it soon enough.

[Benggaul]

He occasionally remembers that he cosplays as a libertarian and has to do something to keep up the act.

Someone reminded him he's a wannabe libertarian. Don't worry, he'll forget it soon enough.

Someone owes somebody a coke.

[Edge-]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...99379746811915

Good news! Trump is finally beginning to promote mask wearing, framing it as an act of patriotism.

IF only he'd done this like...I dunno...4-5 months ago?

[Breccia]

If anyone, like me, predicted Trump would suddenly start saying "masks are good, and I was always in favor of them" pat yourself on the back, he's doing that right now.

Means next on the list is "will he require masks in Jacksonville?"

(re-reads last post)

Maybe.

EDIT: DAMN YOU @Edge-

[kaid]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...99379746811915

Good news! Trump is finally beginning to promote mask wearing, framing it as an act of patriotism.

IF only he'd done this like...I dunno...4-5 months ago?

I would guess in the next 24-48 hours he will do something to mix that message. He knows what he should be saying he just does not want to do it.

[Breccia]

Trump: A payroll tax cut must be in the next relief package!

GOP: We're really not that into it

I think when a person has a check in his hand, X number of dollars .... I think that is going to do more economic good than if we dribble out $30 every paycheck because people are going to notice it

-- Grassley

Yeah, even though they are following "No to Everything" McConnell, they'd rather hand out a check than a payroll tax cut.

[kaid]

Trump: A payroll tax cut must be in the next relief package!

GOP: We're really not that into it


-- Grassley

Yeah, even though they are following "No to Everything" McConnell, they'd rather hand out a check than a payroll tax cut.

I think to some extent even the GOP recognized after how badly their last tax cut went over with the non rich giving bred crumbs that dissapear into the noise of pay check to paycheck numbers is not something people notice or care much about. Businesses like it but you get basically 0 credit from workers at all for doing it so may as well give out an actual check that people notice and get some PR boost from it.

[Edge-]

Trump: A payroll tax cut must be in the next relief package!

GOP: We're really not that into it


-- Grassley

Yeah, even though they are following "No to Everything" McConnell, they'd rather hand out a check than a payroll tax cut.

But...with that $30 a paycheck they can pay for their Costco membership.

[Breccia]

I think to some extent even the GOP recognized after how badly their last tax cut went over

Maybe. But that article also said the GOP members were talking about, for example, SS running out of funds. Again, funny how things like "crippling deficit" suddenly matters now...it didn't 2017, 2018 or 2019. (2020 is a special case)

Regardless of political affiliation, someone about to miss a rent payment won't be comforted by $30 every 2 weeks.

EDIT: Shit, forgot, unemployed people don't pay payroll taxes. The break will help them zero.

[Antiganon]

Maybe. But that article also said the GOP members were talking about, for example, SS running out of funds. Again, funny how things like "crippling deficit" suddenly matters now...it didn't 2017, 2018 or 2019. (2020 is a special case)

Regardless of political affiliation, someone about to miss a rent payment won't be comforted by $30 every 2 weeks.

EDIT: Shit, forgot, unemployed people don't pay payroll taxes. The break will help them zero.

Really what we need is a back-to-work "signing bonus", an extension of PPP loans, and extension of the enhanced unemployment benefits.

Student loan forgiveness would be nice to have, not need to have.

As somebody who lost their job from this, I am only whole because of the $600/week. Without that, I'd have blown through all my savings by June and I'd be missing a mortgage payment this month.

[Breccia]

Really what we need is a back-to-work "signing bonus"

I don't get this, to be honest. The jobs flat-out don't exist. PPP and other business help was there to keep people from being fired in the first place. If all that wasn't enough to keep the company in business, their employees are just out there with nowhere to go.

And I'm sorry to hear about your circumstances. It's an increasingly common story, and I wish it wasn't.

[draynay]

If you can forgive a brief sports interlude... Throwing out the ceremonial first pitch at a baseball game is a presidential tradition dating back to President Taft and since then every sitting president has thrown out a first pitch, except for Trump.

So now, on the final opening day of Trump's presidency (either because he will lose re-election or destroy american infrastructure to the point where pro sports will be impossible), the Washington Nationals have chosen Dr. Anthony Fauci to throw out the first pitch on Thursday. I'm sure he will be sporting his customary Washington Nationals mask as he does so.

[Machismo]

If you can forgive a brief sports interlude... Throwing out the ceremonial first pitch at a baseball game is a presidential tradition dating back to President Taft and since then every sitting president has thrown out a first pitch, except for Trump.

So now, on the final opening day of Trump's presidency (either because he will lose re-election or destroy american infrastructure to the point where pro sports will be impossible), the Washington Nationals have chosen Dr. Anthony Fauci to throw out the first pitch on Thursday. I'm sure he will be sporting his customary Washington Nationals mask as he does so.

Damn, that is very well played by the Nats.

Good on them.

Just for that, I'll make sure to support the team even harder.

[cubby]

If you can forgive a brief sports interlude... Throwing out the ceremonial first pitch at a baseball game is a presidential tradition dating back to President Taft and since then every sitting president has thrown out a first pitch, except for Trump.

So now, on the final opening day of Trump's presidency (either because he will lose re-election or destroy american infrastructure to the point where pro sports will be impossible), the Washington Nationals have chosen Dr. Anthony Fauci to throw out the first pitch on Thursday. I'm sure he will be sporting his customary Washington Nationals mask as he does so.

God-fucking-dammit...that is beyond awesome. Go Nats!

[beanman12345]

I don't get this, to be honest. The jobs flat-out don't exist. PPP and other business help was there to keep people from being fired in the first place. If all that wasn't enough to keep the company in business, their employees are just out there with nowhere to go.

And I'm sorry to hear about your circumstances. It's an increasingly common story, and I wish it wasn't.

And the expiration date for that PPP is october, which means people who were furloughed like airline employee's going back to work in august with less hours might still lose their job a few months later. The only places that seem like they are actually hiring is warehouse distribution like amazon or places that sell groceries.

[Majestic12]

Seeing Trump in all these interviews, especially the one on Fox, makes me wish Sanders was his opponent even more. I really dislike Trump and want him out. I'm still not convinced that Biden is great, it's just the better option between Trump for 4 more years and Biden.

[Zan15]

Maybe. But that article also said the GOP members were talking about, for example, SS running out of funds. Again, funny how things like "crippling deficit" suddenly matters now...it didn't 2017, 2018 or 2019. (2020 is a special case)

Regardless of political affiliation, someone about to miss a rent payment won't be comforted by $30 every 2 weeks.

EDIT: Shit, forgot, unemployed people don't pay payroll taxes. The break will help them zero.

good i hope they do it.

Maybe it will finally get people to admit we need to increase payroll taxes like we did 35+ times before Reagan and Clinton put an end to any increases ever again.

its bad enough baby boomers did not fund SS enough to even cover their cost.


Hell they don't even cover half of the total Medicare cost.
How does it feel to know your income taxes pay for old people's socialized healthcare above and beyond what your employment taxes do??

[cubby]

Really what we need is a back-to-work "signing bonus", an extension of PPP loans, and extension of the enhanced unemployment benefits.

Student loan forgiveness would be nice to have, not need to have.

As somebody who lost their job from this, I am only whole because of the $600/week. Without that, I'd have blown through all my savings by June and I'd be missing a mortgage payment this month.

I agree about the unemployment extension - that has to be a given for any practical legislation.

Student loan forgiveness has always been interesting - I agree that overall we need to completely revamp how that's set up, but for right now, just putting temporary hold on all payments and interest accruing would be fine. I think I'm shocked by my own position on this, to be honest - as I am someone who still has student loans.

The one-time payments would be great too. Not sure how those are going to play out.

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good i hope they do it.

Maybe it will finally get people to admit we need to increase payroll taxes like we did 35+ times before Reagan and Clinton put an end to any increases ever again.

its bad enough baby boomers did not fund SS enough to even cover their cost.


Hell they don't even cover half of the total Medicare cost.
How does it feel to know your income taxes pay for old people's socialized healthcare above and beyond what your employment taxes do??

Agreed - the Boomer generation might end up killing this country through their "not in my neighborhood" tendencies.