Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Belize]

I'm guessing they also missed the part where Trump then went after Michelle Obama and the voting process, proving that that pardon was nothing but a photo op that he fucked up completely.

These WoKe InDePeNdEnTs are really a tiresome bunch.

[Tazkar]

At some point it becomes comically pathetic to keep finding reasons to dislike what the other side did. I understand Annalisa Merelli needs to write articles to make it appear as if she is doing something at her job, but I'd rather she had just ignored it and be glad he didn't pardon yet some other crook that scammed people for billions of dollars and attended underage sex parties.

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She's dead. She'll have to suck it up.

It's not so much trying to find reasons to dislike anything someone does, and more just taking in the broader context of how this dead person would have reacted. Since they're dead and we cant get a first hand reaction from them.

[Benggaul]

There's a lot of other things he could be doing like maybe he could stop trying to sabotage the election. Or after the results of the Senate Intelligence Committee, resign.

Leave it to Rochana to be impressed by empty gestures devoid of sincerity...but only from Trump, somehow.

[Edge-]

At some point it becomes comically pathetic to keep finding reasons to dislike what the other side did.

This would be akin to, say, pardoning all the participants in the Boston Tea Party, another event which is famous and significant specifically for its "illegal" response to injustice.

I understand Annalisa Merelli needs to write articles to make it appear as if she is doing something at her job, but I'd rather she had just ignored it and be glad he didn't pardon yet some other crook that scammed people for billions of dollars and attended underage sex parties.

Alternatively, he could have used his pardon power for all kinds of other actually good uses, or not used it at all.

Trump doesn't get any points for trying to use it as a political tool for distraction. That's playing his game.

But how about former Rutgers University professor and editor of "The Selected Papers of Elzabeth Cady Standon and Susan B. Anthony" and president and CEO of the National Susan B. Anthony Museum & House Deborah L. Huges, via Samantha Schmidt?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/histo...-trump-pardon/

But historians who have closely studied Anthony’s life say the suffragist would not have wanted to be pardoned. Anthony’s conviction was a point of pride for her, a symbol of the lengths to which those in power would go to prevent women from voting, said Ann Gordon, a former Rutgers University professor and editor of “The Selected Papers of Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Susan B. Anthony.”

“Susan B. Anthony would have been adamantly opposed to being pardoned. She was very clear about that,” said Deborah L. Hughes, president and CEO of the National Susan B. Anthony Museum & House. “To pardon her for it is to give validity to the trial."

The White House did not consult with the museum before announcing the pardon, Hughes said. “And as the national historic landmark that bears her name, it would have been reasonable to consult with us.”

I can find more if you'd like, I'd be curious as to how you similarly try to undermine their credibility!

[Edge-]

Sure, I mostly just prefer to see the following pattern avoided:

*Trump does something that doesn't affect anyone in any shape or form.*
Democrats: "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"

+ being tired of him being given attention for his trolling.

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I was for once hoping to see that the reaction of Democrats wouldn't be the usual predictable pattern.

High hopes, I guess.

I mean, here you are not just giving him attention for trolling, but praising him for his acts of trolling.

I believe that would be what is colloquially known as "ironic", even if that's not the literal meaning of the word.

[Xyonai]

Sure, I mostly just prefer to see the following pattern avoided:

*Trump does something that doesn't affect anyone in any shape or form.*
Democrats: "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"

+ being tired of him being given attention for his trolling.



I was for once hoping to see that the reaction of Democrats wouldn't be the usual predictable pattern.

High hopes, I guess.

I think you're assigning misplaced anger when it is, at best, eye-rolling annoyance and acknowledgement of an obvious political ploy.

But, you're right, this actually doesn't effect anyone because it barely means anything. I'm just glad this is what he decided to do instead of beating more protesters to hold a bible upside down in front of a church he doesn't go to.

[Edge-]

If you'd understood my first post, it was actually a post made in the hope that the rubbish could be ignored and we wouldn't have the predictable pattern of a few pages of seething and frothing at the mouth for this decision. It was a post made in the hope / request that no further attention would be given to it.

What I said:


I might've had too high expectations for the democrats, but hoping "Trump could have used his pardon power for all kinds of other actually good uses" (as you stated) is not just a high hope, but high fantasy at this point.

Hey, I'm going with the lady that literally runs an organization devoted to Susan B Anthony here. I'd imagine she's pretty knowledgeable about Anthony's views and beliefs, and if she says that Anthony would have rejected a pardon then I'll take her at her word.

[Belize]

If you'd understood my first post, it was actually a post made in the hope that the rubbish could be ignored and we wouldn't have the predictable pattern of a few pages of seething and frothing at the mouth for this decision. It was a post made in the hope / request that no further attention would be given to it.

What I said:


I might've had too high expectations for the democrats, but hoping "Trump could have used his pardon power for all kinds of other actually good uses" (as you stated) is not just a high hope, but high fantasy at this point.

But you could have just not posted, since the discussion had already happened in earlier pages.

Now you're just mad and complaining we don't give him the praise that you expected, and are trying to turn it into "Dems are always complaining".

[Breccia]

we don't need to degenerate into the usual contrarian americo-tribalism where we automatically have to dislike anything "the others" did.

The failure here, is that it's not automatic.

If I say "Hey! That murderer killed someone!" I don't feel I should be called out because murderers are "the other side".

Trump made a pointless, hollow gesture that should be called out for the PR ploy it is. If you disagreed, maybe you shouldn't have been the fourth person to post the same topic.

[Felya]

I might've had too high expectations for the democrats, but hoping "Trump could have used his pardon power for all kinds of other actually good uses" (as you stated) is not just a high hope, but high fantasy at this point.

High fantasy you say? What the fuck is this?

She's dead. She'll have to suck it up.

[Felya]

Isn't it?

It failed my test at least. I thought I had found a subject or a deed from him that could largely be ignored. Might be hard to understand or believe for some, but I was actually trying to help my fellow democratic brethren with whom I share an election bus to avoid the usual retarded pattern of behavior. I was hoping for a few: "yeah, fuck him / ignore the orange clown" replies... and not to see a whole bunch of articles linked of democrats seething and raging and frothing at the mouth for something that barely even fucking matters.

But hey, I suppose at this point I should be glad for the entertainment value it brings? If my purpose truly was to troll as some people seem to think I should be pretty satisfied with how often Trump successfully trolls them the entire time... I mean. This is a nearly 3000 pages thread that resulted from Trump's constant trolling.

How is being the one who posted the story for the 4th time and then say shit like this, to pointing out she would turn it down:

She's dead. She'll have to suck it up.

Something you found that would be ignored? Not only did you post the story, you are disagreeing with people over the reaction from people saying she would decline it. That’s bringing it up and having an argument, over something you found to ignore?

[Breccia]

While we have the Senate intel results, summaries made by journalists will do a better job than I could of making heads or tails of it.

However, it's hard to top "Manafort directly took campaign info and handed it directly to Russia".

Not to say the report doesn't try to top that.
1) The Trump Tower meeting was, yes, Donnie Dum-Dum Jr trying to get information from Russian operatives.
2) Stone tried to bargain with WikiLeaks, a thief working for Putin, then lied about doing it.
3) Cohen was trying to make a deal with Russia while Trump was running for office.
4) Trump was basically tricked into making a back-channel with Russia.
5) Trump claimed executive privilege even when the GOP Senate was the one asking the questions. The GOP Senate report calls out how confusing that was.

The report does end with "the FBI screwed up" but does not call for punishment or charges -- which would be tough to do, considering all the evidence they found. They also conclude that Trump didn't directly try to attack the election, but just happened to be around when he asked Russia for help, and that help arrived.

[wunksta]

But hey, I suppose at this point I should be glad for the entertainment value it brings? If my purpose truly was to troll as some people seem to think I should be pretty satisfied with how often Trump successfully trolls them the entire time... I mean. This is a nearly 3000 pages thread that resulted from Trump's constant trolling.

Didn't you already say you were going to troll Democrats by voting for Trump even though he is, in your words, a neo-nazi? So really, what is your game here? Nothing Trump can do at this point will redeem himself for the shit he has done.

[Breccia]

I thought I had found a subject or a deed from him that could largely be ignored.

And yet you posted on it, and spent four posts defending posting on it. At this point, the person making a big deal about it is you. You can make that stop.

[Felya]

Didn't you already say you were going to troll Democrats by voting for Trump even though he is, in your words, a neo-nazi? So really, what is your game here? Nothing Trump can do at this point will redeem himself for the shit he has done.

Hey man... he posted something that was posted 4 times before, because he thought it would be ignored. It’s like that speech Bernie made yesterday, must have really resonated...

[Felya]

And yet you posted on it, and spent four posts defending posting on it. At this point, the person making a big deal about it is you. You can make that stop.

In the mean time...

Sanders is the MVP of the Democratic convention. We have to save our democracy from Trump.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...mn/3385635001/

“Under this administration, authoritarianism has taken root in our country. I, and my family, and many of yours, know the insidious way authoritarianism destroys democracy, decency and humanity,” he said. “As long as I am here, I will work with progressives, with moderates and, yes, with conservatives to preserve this nation from a threat that so many of our heroes fought and died to defeat.”

But... hey... Trump pardon...

[rayvio]

What if Trump was pardoning himself?

it would be ironic for somebody named after breaking wind to pardon themselves. most of polite society would do so after a trump

[Benggaul]

Didn't you already say you were going to troll Democrats by voting for Trump even though he is, in your words, a neo-nazi? So really, what is your game here? Nothing Trump can do at this point will redeem himself for the shit he has done.

I mean what you've quoted is just it admitting what it is and what it's doing, so best to report and move on, I think.

[Felya]

I've not been giving him attention for his deed. I've been pointing out the predictable tribalistic nature of certain sides. And my idle hope that this tribalistic prediction, as was made in certain channels, wouldn't apply here.

Egg on my face. I was actually proven wrong and now I lost a bet to some conservatives about it.
Thanks fellow democrats.

Here is what actual democrats are saying:

Bernie Sanders Goes on Attack Against Trump and Urges Support for Biden
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/17/u...onvention.html

Bernie Sanders slams Trump at DNC: 'Nero fiddled while Rome burned. The president golfs' – video
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...p-at-dnc-video

Bernie Sanders (I-VT) called for progressives to unite
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/...-video-vpx.cnn

Bernie Sanders Delivered the Best Line of the DNC’s First Night
https://www.motherjones.com/2020-ele...ero-rome-gold/

At the Democratic National Convention Monday tonight, Sen. Bernie Sanders succinctly summed up many people’s frustration at President Trump’s bungling of the coronavirus response.

“Nero fiddled while Rome burned,” Sanders said. “Trump golfs.”

Bernie Sanders calls on voters to mount an 'unprecedented response' and throw Trump out of office
https://www.businessinsider.com/bern...h-video-2020-8

"In response to the unprecedented set of crises we face, we need an unprecedented response — a movement, like never before, of people who are prepared to stand up and fight for democracy and decency and against greed, oligarchy, and authoritarianism," Sanders said during the Democratic National Convention.

The progressive firebrand called the 2020 election "the most important in the modern history of this country," adding, "The future of our democracy is at stake."

Bernie Sanders just made the progressive case for Joe Biden
https://www.vox.com/2020/8/18/213731...ion-transcript

Sanders’s speech — coming from a onetime rival who criticized Biden in the primary for not going far enough on a range of issues — reflects the increasing progressive embrace of Biden’s policies as what Justice Democrats communications director Waleed Shahid described to Vox’s Matthew Yglesias last month as “the most progressive platform of any Democratic nominee in the modern history of the party.”

[wunksta]

Why don't you tell me what my game is since you also are explaining what apparently my future actions or deeds are going to be and were able to divine in your magic ball what my intentions are?

Would it even matter at this point if I explained myself? I already did so multiple times, but I can say I'd vote for Biden seven times and still people will only remember the one time I in annoyance stated I would vote for Trump.

It's probably due to how you consistently try to sandbag other Democrats and tell them not to vote. No one gives a shit if Trump pardons someone from history compared to what he is doing right now. It was a completely meaningless gesture meant to act as a PR smokescreen. How is that not obvious? You constantly complain how the Democrats lack sincerity and expect praise for this?