Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Benggaul]

I really looking forward to seeing how Trump World tries to spin all these revelations because they are pretty indefensible. Especially Trump knowingly lying to the public about the seriousness of the threat that COVID-19 presented and downplaying it.

Again, we already know the defense: "I was trying to avoid a panic".

[Felya]

Again, we already know the defense: "I was trying to avoid a panic".

Which doesn’t make sense after RNC. Their platform is “panic!!!”

[Zaydin]

Again, we already know the defense: "I was trying to avoid a panic".

And that weak defense is easily batted aside when you point out that it's possible to be honest with people and avoid creating a panic at the same time; see also basically the rest of the developed world.

[Felya]

And that weak defense is easily batted aside when you point out that it's possible to be honest with people and avoid creating a panic at the same time; see also basically the rest of the developed world.

Don’t panic about the virus... There is antifa burning down your street, market will crash under Biden, they are coming for your guns and free speech, Trump is the only one that can save western civilization... but... don’t panic about corona...

LIBERATE!!!!!

[Benggaul]

And that weak defense is easily batted aside when you point out that it's possible to be honest with people and avoid creating a panic at the same time; see also basically the rest of the developed world.

To people with sense and reason, yes, it's easily batted aside. To the people voting for him it makes him a thoughtful and respectable leader.

It's why it makes no difference.

[PhaelixWW]

Again, we already know the defense: "I was trying to avoid a panic".

See, this is the thing though: what panic was he looking to avoid?

Avoiding panic during a bomb threat is a good thing because otherwise people get trampled on the way out the door and things are worse than an orderly evacuation.

What possible effect would panic have on a virus, though? Does anybody really think Trump was worried about people in the streets shooting others for coughing? Far more people in this country have been hurt because Trump supporters have downplayed the virus than through any hypothetical "panic" reaction.

No.

The only reason Trump didn't want people to panic was because he didn't want to disrupt the economy, which he had tied so firmly to his chances of reelection.

That is all.

[Benggaul]

See, this is the thing though: what panic was he looking to avoid?

Avoiding panic during a bomb threat is a good thing because otherwise people get trampled on the way out the door and things are worse than an orderly evacuation.

What possible effect would panic have on a virus, though? Does anybody really think Trump was worried about people in the streets shooting others for coughing? Far more people in this country have been hurt because Trump supporters have downplayed the virus than through any hypothetical "panic" reaction.

No.

The only reason Trump didn't want people to panic was because he didn't want to disrupt the economy, which he had tied so firmly to his chances of reelection.

That is all.

All 100% true and all 100% irrelevant. Again, all of this brought up now does nothing. Brought up back in February it would have at least likely saved a few more lives.

Right now it's just another reason for the left to vote Biden as if they weren't already and another thing the right will hand wave as they've handwaved everything else to this point. If it had been mentioned back at the beginning of the pandemic there might have at least been some minor moves made to assuage public rumblings which might not have amounted to much but would have still been better than bugger all.

[Paranoid Android]

So back to Trump saying the Coronavirus was dangerous. Amazing! I always assumed he was just a moron on this topic like many other things. Yet, the likely the more dangerous he no morals and doesn't give a shit about Americans. He wanted to con his way into keeping the economy going. Now I guess he is still a moron cause if he knew it was dangerous then take precaution you idiot so the economy doesn't collapse. I guess in the end I don't understand at all.

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Trump lied. 190,000 people died. Republicans didn't give a shit.

I hate this reality. Can we go back to a sane one?

Collapsed the economy. Amazing what this President has done.

The Trifecta?

1. Betrayed our country
2. Killed American citizens willingly.
3. Collapsed our American economy.

What is a worse trifecta? If some says unnecessary war sure, but sorta still covers the ones above in one way or the other.

[Breccia]

I see your Woodward and raise you DHS whistleblower alleges he was told to stop producing reports on Russian interference.

Headline speaks for itself. In Russian.

[cubby]

I dont want him to stroke out, or die, or anything that lets the people that enabled this bullshit claim "well he's gone, lets move on"
I want him to live another 20 years, so after the truth and reconciliation committee exposes all of this, he and the rest can be the social pariahs they deserve to be

That would be my ideal situation, too. But that would also be 20 years of him having a voice, and stoking all the rage/hate/anger/divisiveness that he's currently doing now.

[Breccia]

Oh, and McEnemy has already denied the allegations despite the audio recordings and a book Trump literally signed off on.

[PhaelixWW]

All 100% true and all 100% irrelevant. Again, all of this brought up now does nothing. Brought up back in February it would have at least likely saved a few more lives.

Would it have, though? Nothing in this would likely have done anything to change Trump's response to this pandemic, which means it likely would have had little to no effect on the actions of the Cult of Trump.

Remember, February 7th was TWO FRICKING DAYS after Trump's impeachment vote. If people weren't swayed at that time by the impeachment findings and vote, then this quote would have done absolutely nothing to change anybody's mind, especially since there had been 0 deaths in the US at that point.

The reason these quotes have such an impact right now is largely because of what we know now, which we didn't know back then. It's also a testament to how much 7 months of a pandemic can wipe away the memory of a presidential impeachment. Had this quote come out back then, then the talking points would have been long-established by the time the full impact of the lie was felt, and the public wouldn't be as moved by them anymore.

It's a sad, but true, commentary on the attention span of the public at large.

[Breccia]

Brought up back in February it would have at least likely saved a few more lives.

Because it is effectively impossible for Trump to claim he didn't say these things, the only way out for him is to point to actions he did that we didn't see.

That's going to be a tough sell. You can't just block certain countries' visitors without it being public.

[Benggaul]

Would it have, though? Nothing in this would likely have done anything to change Trump's response to this pandemic, which means it likely would have had little to no effect on the actions of the Cult of Trump.

Yes, it would have. This would have put pressure on the administration to at least admit that the virus is worse than "the flu" and would have at least made a few more people more cautious. I'm not saying it would have saved a hundred thousand lives, but it would likely have saved a fair few to have had an answer at least more in the realm of reality back at the start. There are people who laughed at people wearing face masks--until Trump decided "for reasons" that face masks were a good idea. Now they wear them because Trumpy-see, Trump-do.

Brought up now this does fuck all. It reinforces the positions of those who think he's a fucking moron who couldn't manage a mini-golf course let alone a country and his supporters just say he was avoiding a panic. It sells a guy a few more copies of a book. That's the sum of it.

[Edge-]

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile...ce=mostpopular

Another Trump judicial nominee, another "not qualified" rating by the American Bar Association. Not that getting qualified people matters to Trump.

[solinari6]

WHOA .. Tom Cotton and Ted Cruz as possible supreme court justices?!?!? LOL

[Edge-]

WHOA .. Tom Cotton and Ted Cruz as possible supreme court justices?!?!? LOL

Red meat, get your red meat here! Don't ask what it is or where it comes from, don't ask if it's been USDA certified. Get your red meat!

So is this the reward Cruz gets for Trump saying his father was involved in the JFK assassination and insulting his wife? I mean, it's not a bad tradeoff! Be a "cuck" for a few weeks and give up all your pride and dignity in return for a lifetime position to one of the most powerful jobs in the US? Not a bad deal at all if you have no morals.

[Twdft]

Oh, and McEnemy has already denied the allegations despite the audio recordings and a book Trump literally signed off on.

“At a time when you’re facing insurmountable challenges, it’s important to express confidence, it’s important to express calm,” McEnany told reporters.

“The president has never lied to the American public on COVID. The president was expressing calm and his actions reflect that,” the press secretary continued.

My chancellor was very calm when she told me to keep 1.5m distance from her and wear a fucking mask. Which I do, serenely.

That's all Trump had to do too, and I really don't understand why he doesn't.

[solinari6]

So is this the reward Cruz gets for Trump saying his father was involved in the JFK assassination and insulting his wife? I mean, it's not a bad tradeoff! Be a "cuck" for a few weeks and give up all your pride and dignity in return for a lifetime position to one of the most powerful jobs in the US? Not a bad deal at all if you have no morals.

Yeah, but isn't Cruz pretty much universally hated outside texas (maybe even IN texas)? I can see commercials warning of Cruz on the supreme court helping enhance the blue wave.

[Edge-]

That's all Trump had to do too, and I really don't understand why he doesn't.

Because it's a political position to be pro-death, and the Republican party appears to be firmly pro-death.

I mean hell, it's thanks to the massive failure of the Trump administration that in the year of our lord 2020, nearly a decade after Sara Palin decried the "death panels" that would be coming with the ACA (but never came), there are literal death panels at hospitals in Trump's America.

It's purely ideological, and there is no logic to understand behind it.