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    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    As I said the last time someone asked this, we may never know the answer to that. We might make some headway if DeSantis is booted out and whomever comes in next starts demanding answers, but even then I'm pretty sure it'll never be sorted out completely.

    That said:

    Quote Originally Posted by unfilteredJW View Post
    Look for odd numbers of pneumonia and influenza related deaths.
    Take the average yearly amount and subtract it from the total for this year and you'll probably come close to how many COVID-19 deaths were covered up in Florida so far.
    That might be the only way to go - De Santis and the rest of the insane GOP dipshits are hiding data, and making any death not directly caused by COVID-19 to be listed as not related to COVID-19.

    I'm sure, if better angels prevail in November, we'll be able to go back in, through a back-to-normalized CDC, and extrapolate approximates. A reasonably accurate accounting will be possible, but never exact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    As I said the last time someone asked this, we may never know the answer to that. We might make some headway if DeSantis is booted out and whomever comes in next starts demanding answers, but even then I'm pretty sure it'll never be sorted out completely.

    That said:



    Take the average yearly amount and subtract it from the total for this year and you'll probably come close to how many COVID-19 deaths were covered up in Florida so far.
    We may know after the fact via the lagging indicator of excess mortality rates.
    Obviously, due to the nature of how those are counted, I’m sure it’ll be some time before we’d know for sure...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    The President shared a video, which got like 12 million views on Facebook, of some insane woman who believes in demons
    No no no, she doesn't just believe in demons. She believes that having sex with demons in your dreams causes ovarian cysts and impotence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Resurgo View Post
    We may know after the fact via the lagging indicator of excess mortality rates.
    Obviously, due to the nature of how those are counted, I’m sure it’ll be some time before we’d know for sure...
    Sounds like DeSatan's actions could count as negligible homicide, no?
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    So at the White House press conference just now, Trump whined about how Dr. Fauci has a high approval rating while he doesn't: https://twitter.com/PoliticusSarah/s...29269143986178

    But wait, I thought all the polls were fake news? Which one is it?

    - - - Updated - - -

    Also from the press conference, "You can look at large portions of our country, it's corona-free."

    https://twitter.com/PoliticusSarah/s...26895381880835
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ursus View Post
    Also from the press conference, "You can look at large portions of our country, it's corona-free."

    https://twitter.com/PoliticusSarah/s...26895381880835
    I mean, as long as less than half of the population isn't infected, then most of the country is fine!
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    Quote Originally Posted by masterhorus8 View Post
    I mean, as long as less than half of the population isn't infected, then most of the country is fine!
    Only they are not fine, because the half that isn't sick is dealing with a plague of demons raping them in their sleep.
    "We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. We have it under control. It’s going to be just fine." DJT- Jan 22, 2020
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    It will never stop being hilarious to me how his supporters see him as some big tough, , elk eating, alpha male type (see any Garrison cartoon).

    Meanwhile,all he ever does is whine and cry about how unfair he is treated and how he is unloved.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ursus View Post
    So at the White House press conference just now, Trump whined about how Dr. Fauci has a high approval rating while he doesn't
    No, no, no! That's Fake News!

    That was Brad Pitt who was nominated for an Emmy for playing Fauci. The real Dr. Fauci doesn't get ratings.

    On topic: the FEC received a complaint that the Trump campaign concealed $170 million in payments to Trump and Trump's friends.

    A nonpartisan watchdog filed a complaint with the Federal Election Committee (FEC) on Tuesday alleging President Trump’s reelection campaign broke the law by “laundering” $170 million in spending in an effort to conceal payments to people close to the Trump family and campaign.

    The 81-page complaint, filed by the Campaign Legal Center (CLC), alleges that former Trump campaign manager Brad Parscale used a “pass-through” company to pay downstream vendors, including Trump campaign members, associates and family members.

    “This illegal conduit scheme leaves voters in the dark about the entities working for the Trump campaign, the nature of their services, and the full amount they are paid,” said Brendan Fischer, the CLC’s director of federal reform. “We don’t know all of what is being hidden by this scheme, but we do know that it violates the law.”

    The CLC has asked the FEC to investigate and take action against the campaign for funneling payments through the American Made Media Consultants (AMMC), which is the parent company the Trump campaign allegedly used to conceal the payments.
    That's one-sixth of the money raised this year, allegedly going to Trump and his family/friends.

  10. #53330
    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    False. Lieu asked if peaceful protesters being thrown into vans and taken for questioning without probable cause qualified as an "arrest", which is an important question since it violates the 4th Amendment. Barr initially denied it, but then later admitted it. It's an important point to be made and needs to be talked about since that is what's happening. Barr kept trying to go off on tangents but Lieu and the others would stop him, reclaim their time and press forward with the meat of it. This is what needs to happen every single time, both in these hearings and in the press conferences. Stop allowing them to just lie unchecked.
    Stop with the "stop allowing them to lie unchecked" bullshit please. We're on the same side in this, I just happen to see it differently from you, he spent 4 minutes ranting and after his time was up and he yielded he was given a chance to respond the the chairperson.

    Heres a tip, the second someone doesn't agree with you its not automatically "you and us" and "us and them"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thekri View Post
    Only they are not fine, because the half that isn't sick is dealing with a plague of demons raping them in their sleep.
    Nah, it's consensual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    .The President shared a video, which got like 12 million views on Facebook, of some insane woman who believes in demons, telling people not to wear a mask.
    Speaking of:
    He approves of her literally just because she was on TV, in addition to pushing his bullshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deja Thoris View Post
    Stop with the "stop allowing them to lie unchecked" bullshit please. We're on the same side in this, I just happen to see it differently from you, he spent 4 minutes ranting and after his time was up and he yielded he was given a chance to respond the the chairperson.

    Heres a tip, the second someone doesn't agree with you its not automatically "you and us" and "us and them"
    https://www.c-span.org/video/?c48957...ieu-nails-barr

    Not really? He asked specific questions, got bullshit answers and rebutted with legal rulings, provided an anecdote to show that federal officials were engaged in the behavior that Bill Barr had said would have violated their rights, providing comments from DoJ officials supporting his argument, and calls Barr out on his bullshit.

    Because Barr had answered his questions and provided the basis to show that most of these arrests are indeed in violation of the Fourth Amendment. That's how prosecutors work, and Lieu is a former prosecutor. He got Barr to establish baseline facts, and then presented his argument. We can quibble over whether or not that's the point of this hearing, but given that Barr's response to a question on guilt by association being, "Well if you're in the getaway car when the robber gets in!" which is nonsense, there wasn't much more to get out of him after Lieu had got him to confirm the baseline facts of wrongful arrest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deja Thoris View Post
    Stop with the "stop allowing them to lie unchecked" bullshit please. We're on the same side in this, I just happen to see it differently from you, he spent 4 minutes ranting and after his time was up and he yielded he was given a chance to respond the the chairperson.

    Heres a tip, the second someone doesn't agree with you its not automatically "you and us" and "us and them"
    I didn't say it was "you and us; us and them". I said "stop allowing them to lie unchecked", which, no, I will not stop. What a stupid request.

    Lieu pressed Barr to answer a simple question and Barr hemmed and hawed because he was backed into a corner and knew that if he answered honestly he was fucked, so Lieu hit him with the facts on the record which Barr had to sit and accept. Maybe you didn't watch the whole thing, because Barr was given several opportunities to speak and screwed the pooch every single time.

    "Here's a tip": Just because YOU don't find something important that doesn't mean it isn't important.

    EDIT: Edge beat me to it.

    - - - Updated - - -

    64,729 new cases; about 3k fewer than last Tuesday.

    Texas: 10,698 new cases; 121 deaths
    Florida: 9,230 new cases; 186 deaths (new record)
    California: 7,994 new cases; 169 deaths (new record)
    Georgia: 4,209 new cases; 54 deaths
    Tennessee: 2,555 new cases; 11 deaths
    Arizona: 2,107 new cases; 104 deaths
    North Carolina: 1,761 new cases; 24 deaths
    South Carolina: 1,692 new cases; 59 deaths
    Missouri: 1,676 new cases (new record); 15 deaths
    Mississippi: 1,342 new cases; 42 deaths
    Ohio: 1,325 new cases; 37 deaths
    Alabama: 1,251 new cases; no deaths reported*
    Pennsylvania: 1,134 new cases; 24 deaths
    Louisiana: 1,121 new cases; 26 deaths
    Nevada: 1,105 new cases; 20 deaths
    Oklahoma: 1,089 new cases; 13 deaths
    Illinois: 1,076 new cases; 30 deaths

    I didn't notice too many things of note from the data today. Cases seem to be leveling off in many places, so maybe there's hope that by the end of August the US will get it down to manageable levels--just before sending the students back to school and kicking off ANOTHER wave of this bullshit. I expect the number of cases to go back up again tomorrow given the pattern it usually takes.

    1,256 deaths today is the most reported since the end of May. As was noted earlier in the thread there was also a large correction from Texas adding nearly 700 deaths. This brings the total US death count to 152,320. Alabama did not report any deaths today but I find that an anomaly considering they've been averaging in the 20's for the past couple weeks at least. I'm not adding that to the total since it's not official yet, but I expect a small correction from them tomorrow. I haven't read anything about why they haven't reported any today but I'll assume it's either backlog related or a technical error. I'm expecting the daily toll to go up this week, so buckle up, I guess.

    Stay safe, folks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lockedout View Post
    The guy across yge street from me was prescribed it and he made a full recovery.
    He also would have made a full recovery taking a placebo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lockedout View Post
    The guy across yge street from me was prescribed it and he made a full recovery.
    No, he didn't. You were just told to think that. Sadly, in your world, there is no difference.

  17. #53337
    Quote Originally Posted by Ursus View Post
    I ask myself that question constantly. After he ordered peaceful protesters to be beaten, gassed, and driven out of Lafayette Square for no reason other than to stage a cringeworthy photo op, and seeing the relative lack of outrage in reaction to that, I am convinced there is nothing.

    Consider this scenario:
    1. Biden beats Trump in November by a decent, but not overwhelming margin.
    2. Trump claims the vote was rigged and refuses to give up the Presidency.
    3. Most Republicans in Congress agree that the vote was rigged and support Trump remaining as President.
    4. The military refuses to remove him.
    5. There is a ton of outrage at first, but eventually the situation is accepted as people realize they can't do anything about it.


    Aside from #4, every point in that scenario is extremely plausible (and I really wouldn't be surprised to see #4 happen either). These past four years have been a nightmarish descent into fascism.

    Maybe I am wrong about this scenario, but for this to even be a question in the back of people's minds speaks volumes about how far this country has fallen.
    If this plays out in real life and the 2A retards don't act in the spirit of 2A, then they don't deserve 2A. If this happens I hope to god that if Trump and Trumplicans are ever removed, whom ever gains power next will get rid of 2A and drone strike all the fucks who refuse to give up their guns.

  18. #53338
    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    If this plays out in real life and the 2A retards don't act in the spirit of 2A, then they don't deserve 2A. If this happens I hope to god that if Trump and Trumplicans are ever removed, whom ever gains power next will get rid of 2A and drone strike all the fucks who refuse to give up their guns.
    You know, I've been thinking about this recently and I have to wonder if the reason we don't hear anything from the 2A people is because they're the ones who were hired as a private military with no identification to kidnap protesters.

    I can think of no good reason for them to be COMPLETELY silent on the issue other than they're complicit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ursus View Post
    I ask myself that question constantly. After he ordered peaceful protesters to be beaten, gassed, and driven out of Lafayette Square for no reason other than to stage a cringeworthy photo op, and seeing the relative lack of outrage in reaction to that, I am convinced there is nothing.

    Consider this scenario:
    1. Biden beats Trump in November by a decent, but not overwhelming margin.
    2. Trump claims the vote was rigged and refuses to give up the Presidency.
    3. Most Republicans in Congress agree that the vote was rigged and support Trump remaining as President.
    4. The military refuses to remove him.
    5. There is a ton of outrage at first, but eventually the situation is accepted as people realize they can't do anything about it.

    Aside from #4, every point in that scenario is extremely plausible (and I really wouldn't be surprised to see #4 happen either). These past four years have been a nightmarish descent into fascism.

    Maybe I am wrong about this scenario, but for this to even be a question in the back of people's minds speaks volumes about how far this country has fallen.
    I agree with in general about the overall and truly frightening issues surrounding Trump's build up to claiming the election illegitimate. And as a country, we have fallen greatly. The fact that a sitting Resident is openly saying he won't accept the election results is truly mind boggling. Gilead here we come if he steals a second term.

    However, in your particular scenario, I would have to respectfully disagree: #2 won't matter, #3 won't matter (only comes into play if neither candidate gets 270 EC votes), and #4 won't happen because the military can't act in a law enforcement role on U.S soil. Just to cut/paste/replace, imo your scenario would work out like this:

    1. Biden beats Trump in November by a decent, but not overwhelming margin.
    2. Trump claims the vote was rigged and refuses to give up the Presidency.
    3. Biden sworn in on Jan 20 (might have that day wrong).
    4. Trump is no longer President, regardless of what he says - he is evicted if he refuses to leave by Secret Service.
    5. There is a ton of outrage at first, but eventually the situation is accepted as people realize they can't do anything about it.
    6. Trump launches his media outlet cable channel, and continues to stir unrest.

    Here is how I see it playing out, with the darkest of results.

    1. Neither Trump nor Biden have 270 EC votes by the morning of Nov 4 - mail in ballots are making several battle ground states too close to call.
    (this could happen if several battleground states, with GOP SecTres, refuse to validate their EC numbers - making the election contested, with no winner declared)
    2. The vote goes to the House.
    3. Trump wins that vote (in this vote, each state gets one vote, rather than each Representative - and there are more GOP controlled states than Dem).
    4. Trump stays in office, and we are truly lost as a country.

    Did you see that article from last week where they played out Election Day in a Pentagon style, with four scenrios and about 80 people (Dems and Repubs alike) playing it out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    You know, I've been thinking about this recently and I have to wonder if the reason we don't hear anything from the 2A people is because they're the ones who were hired as a private military with no identification to kidnap protesters.

    I can think of no good reason for them to be COMPLETELY silent on the issue other than they're complicit.
    The reasoning I read was "the libs deserve getting vanned and disappeared for bullying us gun owners, so we will sit aside and not do anything".

    2A nutters don't actually care about liberty, they care about owning and masturbating to the instruments to kill their neighbours and members of any minorities they dislike if the country breaks down.


    *I am a gun owner myself.

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