Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Elegiac]

You had a few outliers. The national polls the week of the election had HRC winning within the margin of error, which she did. The battleground polls had HRC winning even closer by 1% withing the margin of error. She lost three states by a couple hundred thousand votes. The polls were correct. That is what the margin of error is there for. So if it says HRC is up by 2% and the MoE is 4%, and Trump won by 1%, the poll was correct. Biden is far outside the MoE in all nationwide polling, and in the battlegrounds states is far ahead of it in most of them. This is a completely different game than 2016. Yet the youth vote didn't come out enough from Super Tuesday on. The youth vote is and always has been abysmal. Biden wins in far more demographics of people that actually vote.

The facts do not agree with the morality tale narrative I am trying to spin about America being doomed for the sin of not electing Bernie Sanders therefore I will ignore them. /s

I really wish the fucker would just up and retire at this point so his stans can find a new Ron Paul to moon over.

[Benggaul]

What you are saying doesn't account for the fact that the polls were incredibly far off back in 2016

Stopped reading here because already that's wrong. The polls had her winning the popular vote by a few million, which she did. Most of them had her winning the EC, but the loss was within their margin of error. This whole "OMG THE POLLS WERE ALL WRONG" nonsense really needs to stop.

[postman1782]

What you are saying doesn't account for the fact that the polls were incredibly far off back in 2016, and nothing really has changed since then except people have gotten even less likely to say their true political views out loud. Even if it's an anonymous poll, if you are contacted and asked your views you might lie about it and then go out and vote differently than how you say. Many Trump supporters actively dislike pollsters and would get a thrill out of misleading them. Biden beat out Bernie because of very specific demographic groups largely voting for him - groups that would vote for any Democratic candidate versus Trump regardless. Bernie beat out Biden in terms of getting out demographics that didn't normally vote, AKA the youth. Yes, not enough to turn the tide, but, I believe, enough to have a made a difference in the general.

Biden is a walking corpse. That's an inescapable perception that many people have, including people on the left such as myself. If you put Biden up against Trump in a debate, Trump will demolish him. If Biden doesn't debate Trump, then he looks like a coward, which is very important to the demographic in the middle that might vote either way. So, we know the debates are going to boost Trump. We know the economy is recovering and we know that is going to boost Trump. We know the coronavirus pandemic is winding down and most states are re-opening, so that's going to boost Trump. The riots, cities burning, violent crowds in the street mobbing people sitting at restaurants having dinner - that's going to boost Trump too.

It's not going to be election fuckery. It's going to be Trump winning for the same reason he won in 2016 - a hidden demographic of people that don't want their voting preferences known for whatever reason. Or they're just not accounted for or spoken to by pollsters. It's going to be because the Democrats once again chose what's "safe" versus a man who is painting them (successfully, judging from my Facebook feed) as irredeemable communists regardless.

I really don't get the optimism I see online. Maybe it's because I'm from the south, whereas most people online are from big coastal cities, but I just see the same shit that happened in 2016 happening all over again. The only argument Democrats are bringing this election is "not being Trump" and I'm sorry, but that's just not a good message. It's not a good sell to people who don't watch CNN all day and talk at their water cooler about how the Cheeto-in-Chief is no better than Adolf. Messages of negativity never win an election. Trump didn't win in 2016 because he was a racist, he won because he was promising "America First" and putting people back to work and giving people their dignity back. Where's that positive message from the Democrats? Where's the promises of change and sweeping social reform and the idea of making things better?

Your first point, that the polls were off in 2016, is wrong. They were well within the margin of error. Now if you are using a poll from August as an example you might have a point, but the polling was really close after Comey's bullshit that came out right before the election, that was against DoJ protocol.

Biden is a walking corpse? What does that make Trump? Trump can't walk down a fucking ramp without having problems, Biden was riding a fucking bike the same fucking week.

The only election fuckery going on, is Trump trying to stop mail in and absentee voting, which hurts him more than he will ever realize, and Russia is still trying to help Trump, we know this, and Trump is trying to stop the congressional intelligence reports.

And if you aren't looking at Biden's platform, of course you are only seeing that Biden isn't Trump, and not his actual issues he is running on.

[s_bushido]

What you are saying doesn't account for the fact that the polls were incredibly far off back in 2016

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It's not going to be election fuckery. It's going to be Trump winning for the same reason he won in 2016 - a hidden demographic of people that don't want their voting preferences known for whatever reason.

Trump lost the popular vote. By 3 million votes. That party has only won the popular vote for president once in the past 30 years. Americans don't want Republicans in office. There is no silent majority. The only reason they retain power is affirmative action for red states the Electoral College.

[sessava]

Come quote me back in November then, if you're all so sure. I'll be happy to eat shit, because I don't want Trump to win either.

[jonnysensible]

The military swears an oath to protect against all enemies foreign and domestic. I fully expect them to uphold that oath should this happen...

Roger Stone calls for Trump to seize total power if he loses the election

Because if not you can be sure I'm going to be part of the actual physical resistance and you do NOT want to see my noggin in a beret.

2016 : Obama will delcare martial law

2020 : Trump should declare martial law


its all projecting when they say they were worried about being put in death camps, they want to put you in death camps

[postman1782]

Come quote me back in November then, if you're all so sure. I'll be happy to eat shit, because I don't want Trump to win either.

For someone who doesn't want Trump to win, you sure are using the same arguments as Trump supporters. I mean, everything you said was right off of Breitbart, for all intents and purposes.

[Elegiac]

Remember folks: QAnon is not a problem to the extent that no one in the regime will say a bad word about them.

On an entirely unrelated note, Pence has canceled plans to attend a Montana fundraiser following revelations that the hosts have expressed support for the QAnon conspiracy theory. The campaign did not give a reason or say whether the fundraiser might be rescheduled.

The Party of Q, indeed.

[Benggaul]

Come quote me back in November then, if you're all so sure. I'll be happy to eat shit, because I don't want Trump to win either.

Most of us are bracing for Trump to win purely because of the election interference that's going unchecked (thanks largely in part to the de-fanged FEC). Gerrymandering, voter suppression and now the USPS fuckery. That's nothing new. But you keep bringing up points that either aren't true or don't make sense. There are enough actual things to be worried about without making up stuff. Case in point:

Roger Stone calls for Trump to seize total power if he loses the election

[Elegiac]

For someone who doesn't want Trump to win, you sure are using the same arguments as Trump supporters. I mean, everything you said was right off of Breitbart, for all intents and purposes.

People really be thinking they can get away with posting blatantly untrue things or fascist talking points with the "I'm a leftist" disclaimer as though it's purely a self-applied label and not a descriptor of a belief system.

[s_bushido]

Come quote me back in November then, if you're all so sure. I'll be happy to eat shit, because I don't want Trump to win either.

Trump can "win" through voter suppression and gaming the system (tactics Republicans have been relying on for decades). But it won't be because he's the candidate the people want. And certainly not because of that ridiculous silent majority idea.

[Xyonai]

So we've just cycled back to 'Lol you liberals are going to QQ so hard when Trump wins again!!' with unsubstantiated reasons as to why in spite of Trump's popularity tanking in all the demographics he barely won last time around?

I mean, hey, anything to keep from having to talk about Trump knowingly downplaying COVID for popularity points, his cronies actively dismantling our postal service, and his on-the-record disdain towards our veterans and everyone and anyone who he feels doesn't like him enough. But no, tell us all about how 'Sleepy Joe Biden' is a divisive and contentious figure; please, I really want to know.

[Adam Jensen]

Going to enjoy the meltdowns from leftists when Trump wins again. Glorious. Unfourtunantly the meltdowns will come in the form of violence.. but that's pretty par the course right nown when it comes to these rabid marxist loons.
[Infraction]

Please point out the "rabid marxists" so we can laugh and point out how no one on the American left is marxist.

[DingDongKing]

-bollocks-

You said a lot of stupid stuff, but the most ridiculous was that ‘coronavirus pandemic is winding down’. No, it’s not. Republicans are just flouting the rules and running super spreader events. Doesn’t mean the virus has started disappearing. Please check your premise before chatting shit. It’s dangerous.

[beanman12345]

Come quote me back in November then, if you're all so sure. I'll be happy to eat shit, because I don't want Trump to win either.

If you think trump wins this election from anything but election fuckery, you are not paying any attention at all to basically anything. He and the GOP wouldnt be constantly ratfucking the election process if they could win otherwise.

[PhaelixWW]

You had a few outliers. The national polls the week of the election had HRC winning within the margin of error, which she did. The battleground polls had HRC winning even closer by 1% withing the margin of error. She lost three states by a couple hundred thousand votes. The polls were correct.

It's actually less than that; I posted this in the other election thread about this topic not that long ago...

I think a lot of Trump fans tend to forget just how close the 2016 race actually was. They look at the Electoral College votes like they're the popular vote, and think that Trump won by a lot. But the reality is that Pennsylvania was won by a margin of only 45k votes, out of 6.1m cast. And Pennsylvania had almost 4m people who were of age but either were registered and didn't vote, or never bothered to register. Had Hillary been a bit more likeable, or had people known the kind of President Trump would turn out to be, those 20 Electoral Votes would have shifted quite easily to the Democrat column.

Even more so in Michigan, where the difference was 11k votes for 16 EVs and Wisconsin, with 23k votes for 10 EVs.

So only about 78k votes meant the difference between the Trump Presidency we've suffered under for the last four years, and a Clinton Presidency that the majority of the population voted for.

I mean, it's no surprise that Trump is doing whatever he can to suppress votes.

[SirBeef]

It's actually less than that; I posted this in the other election thread about this topic not that long ago...

TY. I was on my phone and couldn't find the number.

[Xyonai]

Once Ally of Trump and Convicted Felon Roger Stone suggests Trump should 'seize powers' in the event he loses the election.

The list of which includes: Evoke the Insurrection act, declare martial law; Arrest Zuckerberg, Tim Cook, and the Clintons, send federal agents to 'Physically stand in the way' on election day, sieze NV's Ballots; take Harry Reid into custody; 'Nationalize' NV police, and arrest Daily Beast staff.

[Benggaul]

Once Ally of Trump and Convicted Felon Roger Stone suggests Trump should 'seize powers' in the event he loses the election.

The list of which includes: Evoke the Insurrection act, declare martial law; Arrest Zuckerberg, Tim Cook, and the Clintons, send federal agents to 'Physically stand in the way' on election day, sieze NV's Ballots; take Harry Reid into custody; 'Nationalize' NV police, and arrest Daily Beast staff.

Already posted this. Hopefully the military are being reminded that their duty does not include helping a despot rise to power.

[Belize]

Already posted this. Hopefully the military are being reminded that their duty does not include helping a despot rise to power.

Depends how much they like being called losers and suckers