1. #53861
    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    The paper-thin rationalization is "but they made us do that because XXX" and XXX somehow never involves slavery.

    The Civil War was fought a century and a half ago. Everyone who fought in it is dead. Everyone who made any decisions that led to the Civil War is dead. The South rebelled, the South lost. Take the hood off (not you Adam I mean the rationalizers) and join the 21st century with the rest of us. We have Mandalorian season two on the way.
    Actually YOU are the one that is behind the times. The world has changed.

    The people of Earth go thru looooong cycles of globalism and then nationalism. The last globalist phase terminated with the election of Donald Trump. We are now in the early days of the rise of nationalism. If you embrace globalism in 2020, you are on the wrong side of history. The democrats embrace globalism. The republicans embrace nationalism. The republicans are vastly better equipped for the new age. The democrats are going to try to rely on things like the UN or NATO to hold their positions (which are crumbling). Trump is doing things correctly in a nationalist age by forging new alliances with nations like Russia and China, or winning the hearts and minds of the blue collar Americans and Americans without a college degree, the salt of the Earth. The democrats' strategies are AWESOME....for 1996. They are completely out-of-date today.

    Sure, everyone that fought the civil war is dead. But we are in a nationalist period and the democrats are living in the globalist past. If the democrats continue on their current path, Trump will have large majorities of the people without a college degree in his back pocket. And that is a complete a total loss of the United States for the democrats.

  2. #53862
    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    Actually YOU are the one that is behind the times. The world has changed.

    The people of Earth go thru looooong cycles of globalism and then nationalism. The last globalist phase terminated with the election of Donald Trump. We are now in the early days of the rise of nationalism. If you embrace globalism in 2020, you are on the wrong side of history. The democrats embrace globalism. The republicans embrace nationalism. The republicans are vastly better equipped for the new age. The democrats are going to try to rely on things like the UN or NATO to hold their positions (which are crumbling). Trump is doing things correctly in a nationalist age by forging new alliances with nations like Russia and China, or winning the hearts and minds of the blue collar Americans and Americans without a college degree, the salt of the Earth. The democrats' strategies are AWESOME....for 1996. They are completely out-of-date today.

    Sure, everyone that fought the civil war is dead. But we are in a nationalist period and the democrats are living in the globalist past. If the democrats continue on their current path, Trump will have large majorities of the people without a college degree in his back pocket. And that is a complete a total loss of the United States for the democrats.
    The republicans are not for anything right now. Their party plank was basically whatever trump says. Even if trump gets elected again the GOP has nothing really to follow him up with. A lot of people try to be like trump but none have really shown the weird charisma that lets trump survive scandals that would sink anybody else. If they can be said to be for anything it is not nationalism it is authoritarianism because they are so rudderless they just want some powerful person to tell them what to do.

  3. #53863
    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    Actually YOU are the one that is behind the times. The world has changed.

    The people of Earth go thru looooong cycles of globalism and then nationalism.
    no, the closest model of what going on is probably turchins

    The last globalist phase terminated with the election of Donald Trump.
    if we are going to make stuff like this up surely it started with brexit?

    We are now in the early days of the rise of nationalism. If you embrace globalism in 2020, you are on the wrong side of history. The democrats embrace globalism. The republicans embrace nationalism. The republicans are vastly better equipped for the new age. The democrats are going to try to rely on things like the UN or NATO to hold their positions (which are crumbling).
    your defenitions here are inaccurate and poor, you are using globalism and nationalism incorrectly to dress up your opinion of 'dems bad gop good'
    Trump is doing things correctly in a nationalist age by forging new alliances with nations like Russia and China,
    globalism?
    or winning the hearts and minds of the blue collar Americans and Americans without a college degree, the salt of the Earth.
    the noble savage? blue collar americans without college degrees and mainly low paid immigrants
    The democrats' strategies are AWESOME....for 1996. They are completely out-of-date today.

    Sure, everyone that fought the civil war is dead. But we are in a nationalist period and the democrats are living in the globalist past. If the democrats continue on their current path, Trump will have large majorities of the people without a college degree in his back pocket. And that is a complete a total loss of the United States for the democrats.
    current path to victory?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    no, the closest model of what going on is probably turchins
    Don't bother, he is just writing the forward to a Tom Clancy fanfic.

    The problem with this sort of poster is that unlike a lot of the other consistent posters is that he seems to be completely sincere. He gets really frustrated when people don't see his vision of the world, because he is convinced that all his claims are unassailably obvious. He isn't kidding about any of this stuff, this is the world he sees, and he can't be talked into not seeing it.

    The rest of us can tell us that isn't the real world until we are blue in the face, it is just going to frustrate him. It doesn't help, because he sees a different set of underlying facts. He knows a different world then you do. His is full of rhetoric and vague generalizations, and he can't tell that from reality.

  5. #53865
    Trump is purging the military of people not loyal to him and installing people ready to go to war with the democrats.

    One of the most glaring example of where this is headed is Trump installing Anthony Tata. Tata has promoted conspiracy theories, made racist comments and called Obama a terrorist. He is now the deputy undersecretary of defense for POLICY.

    You put a guy like that in a position of power and authority like that and lemme tell you, civil war is coming. And a bold move like that should inform you that Trump knows he is going to win that civil war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    You put a guy like that in a position of power and authority like that and lemme tell you, civil war is coming. And a bold move like that should inform you that Trump knows he is going to win that civil war.
    What happens to all of Trump’s property in NY and NJ during a civil war? Before you start further rambling, just answer what happens to all of Trump’s property in US, if he starts a war?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    What happens to all of Trump’s property in NY and NJ during a civil war? Before you start further rambling, just answer what happens to all of Trump’s property in US, if he starts a war?
    I don't think that matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    I don't think that matters.
    What do you mean it doesn’t matter? You are telling me, that a real estate mogul, is going to give up billions in property, because... fill that in... because...

    Edit: Let me know when you figure out the reason... don’t forget to donate to Trump, while you do it...
    Last edited by Felya; 2020-09-18 at 09:14 PM.
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  9. #53869
    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    He is now the deputy undersecretary of defense for POLICY.
    Your civil war cheerleading aside, he ain't.

    https://www.military.com/daily-news/...-pentagon.html

    They knew he wouldn't get through Senate approval so his nomination was dropped. He's actually "the official Performing the Duties of Deputy Undersecretary of Defense reporting to the Acting Undersecretary of Defense for Policy".

    Somehow I don't think that's gonna carry a lot of weight with it, and if anything it should make his position far more suspect since it's another example of this administration doing an end-run around Congress and trying to ignore Congressional approval for key appointments.

  10. #53870
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Your civil war cheerleading aside.
    I am NOT civil war cheerleading.

    When people are deeply concerned about climate change and try to raise awareness on climate change, they don't do it because they want the climate destroyed. You would a stupid moron to suggest so.

    When people are deeply concerned about civil war and try to raise awareness on the threat of civil war, they don't do it because they want a civil war. You would also be a stupid moron to suggest so.

    Stop trolling.

    Also:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Tata

    Incumbent.

    At this point, Trump doesn't give a shit if the senate approves or not. This is how Trump is going to fill the military officer ranks now. So, he's the guy. Trump is strong enough to overthrow the government. So he doesn't care anymore.
    Last edited by Kokolums; 2020-09-18 at 09:25 PM.

  11. #53871
    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    When people are deeply concerned about climate change and try to raise awareness on climate change, they don't do it because they want the climate destroyed. You would a stupid moron to suggest so.
    Sure, because there's like, tons of science and data to back it up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    When people are deeply concerned about civil war and try to raise awareness on the threat of civil war, they don't do it because they want a civil war. You would also be a stupid moron to suggest so.
    The only people really talking about civil war right now are right wing nutters and boogaloo bois.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    Trump announced that he would nominate Tata to the post of Under Secretary of Defense for Policy on April 24, 2020.[6] His nomination was submitted to the Senate on June 11, 2020,[7] but a hearing on his confirmation was cancelled on July 30, and CNN reported that the White House planned to withdraw the nomination.[8] Then, Tata was appointed as "the official Performing the Duties of the Deputy Undersecretary of Defense for Policy reporting to the Acting Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Dr. James Anderson."[9]
    It helps if you read your own source.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    At this point, Trump doesn't give a shit if the senate approves or not. This is how Trump is going to fill the military officer ranks now. So, he's the guy. Trump is strong enough to overthrow the government. So he doesn't care anymore.
    If you can’t even explain why Trump is willing to lose billions in property for a civil war, why do you believe in it? That doesn’t make any sense...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    I am NOT civil war cheerleading.

    When people are deeply concerned about climate change and try to raise awareness on climate change, they don't do it because they want the climate destroyed. You would a stupid moron to suggest so.

    When people are deeply concerned about civil war and try to raise awareness on the threat of civil war, they don't do it because they want a civil war. You would also be a stupid moron to suggest so.

    Stop trolling.

    Also:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Tata

    Incumbent.

    At this point, Trump doesn't give a shit if the senate approves or not. This is how Trump is going to fill the military officer ranks now. So, he's the guy. Trump is strong enough to overthrow the government. So he doesn't care anymore.
    Dude the civil war is already happening! Go down to the villages in Florida right now, you are missing it all!!!!

  14. #53874
    More deserving of peace prize then Obama or arafat. If you hate war Trump is a great president, if you love war he sucks and hillary would have been way better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beanman12345 View Post
    Dude the civil war is already happening! Go down to the villages in Florida right now, you are missing it all!!!!
    GameStop man... I see the posters of the incoming doom... flashbacks of console wars of past... the lines... the preorders... the fight is coming... we are not prepared... it smells of war and unwashed teenagers... the battle is drawing near...
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  16. #53876
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    The only people really talking about civil war right now are right wing nutters and boogaloo bois.
    Totally baseless. And wrong. A simple google search will find that the topic has been breached in the last month by leftist sites from counterpunch to dailykos. The Washington Post even published an article on September 3rd titled "What's the Worst That Can Happen?" detailing various outcomes of the 2020 election including a few civil war scenarios.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlo...e/?arc404=true

    You might want to stop posting for a while and cool your jets.

  17. #53877
    More pro-Nazi propaganda from civil war fetishist. Apparently, we all need to vote Republican and submit, or they will murder us all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    You might want to stop posting for a while and cool your jets.
    Can you post why Trump is willing to lose billions in property for civil war? Because, without that piece, it seems like it hasn’t been very well thought out... ‘What does he gain?’... should be the first question. While being a billionaire, oligarch, real estate mogul... he has more to lose than about 99% of us...
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    I suspect Edge is a closet Trumper.

    Edge is doing Trump's work in here, defending the Tata appointment, downplaying civil war issues, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    More pro-Nazi propaganda from civil war fetishist. Apparently, we all need to vote Republican and submit, or they will murder us all.
    And if we elect them there will be what, 2 million dead to covid by the end of his term? Sounds like a no win situation...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    I suspect Edge is a closet Trumper.

    Edge is doing Trump's work in here, defending the Tata appointment, downplaying civil war issues, etc.
    While you can even answer a simplest question about your civil war? wtf!?
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